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Damned NRA. I should ask for an afternoons free range fee so I can sort it out!
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Actually, I'm wrong again. I think the 600 yard LCD display target and the real target are both approx 6MOA diameter on the black and I think I need to stop thinking and go to bed.
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Actually, I'm wrong again. I think the 600 yard LCD display target and the real target are both approx 6MOA diameter on the black and I think I need to stop thinking and go to bed.
Edited by creampuff on Tuesday 4th September 22:58
creampuff said:
Damned NRA. I should ask for an afternoons free range fee so I can sort it out!
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Actually, I'm wrong again. I think the 600 yard LCD display target and the real target are both approx 6MOA diameter on the black and I think I need to stop thinking and go to bed.
By default it's set to GB 600 yard, you need to reboot the screen and select F class to shoot with a scope otherwise you will bang in v-bulls all day.---
Actually, I'm wrong again. I think the 600 yard LCD display target and the real target are both approx 6MOA diameter on the black and I think I need to stop thinking and go to bed.
Edited by creampuff on Tuesday 4th September 22:58
As you guessed the scoring zone changes size not the actual target.
Dan_The_Man said:
creampuff said:
Damned NRA. I should ask for an afternoons free range fee so I can sort it out!
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Actually, I'm wrong again. I think the 600 yard LCD display target and the real target are both approx 6MOA diameter on the black and I think I need to stop thinking and go to bed.
By default it's set to GB 600 yard, you need to reboot the screen and select F class to shoot with a scope otherwise you will bang in v-bulls all day.---
Actually, I'm wrong again. I think the 600 yard LCD display target and the real target are both approx 6MOA diameter on the black and I think I need to stop thinking and go to bed.
Edited by creampuff on Tuesday 4th September 22:58
Pesty said:
Yes therefore in the open class so I can do pretty much anything to it.
I’ve been using the berreta 1301 for clays it’s just so light and easy the F12 weighs a ton. Will be switching to that but arthritis in fingers makes magazine changes easier.
I much prefer the traditional grip to the pistol grip. Far more accurate with it.
Have you practised with the F12 using full 10rnd mags? Do you have a problem with it feeding the first couple from the mag?I’ve been using the berreta 1301 for clays it’s just so light and easy the F12 weighs a ton. Will be switching to that but arthritis in fingers makes magazine changes easier.
I much prefer the traditional grip to the pistol grip. Far more accurate with it.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Have you practised with the F12 using full 10rnd mags? Do you have a problem with it feeding the first couple from the mag?
When i first got it it was basically inoperable Lots of people telling me it was me limp wristing, sigh
Anyway i notice others with an empty mag and when the bolt release was pressed the action would close.
On mine it wouldn’t the part that strips the cartridge on the bottom of the bolt would stick on the magazine follower not press it down,
it was obvious the springs in the mag were too much tension. I couldn’t even load ten and I’m no weakling.
I took on of those blow torch type lighters and a pair of pliers and collapsed a couple of coils
Then it would world reliably with 8. Collapsed a couple more and it now runs like a dream never missed a beat since perfectly ok with 10
Although i have tried it yet with 10 in and 1 in the spout. You couldn’t even load the magazine in with the bolt closed at first. Must try that.
Note I’m no gunsmith so follow that at your own risk also not u didn’t cut the springs down because they wouldn’t have fit as nice being all square ends and that plus i can always increase tension if they weaken over time this way.
Edited by Pesty on Wednesday 5th September 10:55
Depending on how old your F12 is, it may or may not have come with two pins fitted up inside the mag well, which are supposed to be there to prevent over insertion. I have one with those pins but still suffer from the problem with a fully loaded mag.
I've heard of other suggestions such as filing the square hole in the mag a bit longer so the mag locks in place a little lower.
I thought about cutting the mag spring but heating it does sound better.
What I don't understand is if everyone is still getting this problem, why the factory hasn't fixed it properly. I'm going to ring the importer and find out the score.
I've heard of other suggestions such as filing the square hole in the mag a bit longer so the mag locks in place a little lower.
I thought about cutting the mag spring but heating it does sound better.
What I don't understand is if everyone is still getting this problem, why the factory hasn't fixed it properly. I'm going to ring the importer and find out the score.
No mine is the new one.
My issues were totally IMO the magazine spring I’ve even compared them now to a UTAS magazine and could probably even take some more tension off.
I must add that I am now extremely happy with and it runs like a dream.
I know several other owners with these and they have no issues not sure if they load ten.
Mine works very well, I may even clean it sometime.
I’d also add the importers which seems to be a gun shop somewhere are stand up guys and back them. Lots of positive posts on facebook.
I just wish it was a bit lighter I’m not the machine i once was.
Just remembered watched a actual UKPSA stage with lots no malfunctions but again don’t know how many they loaded
My issues were totally IMO the magazine spring I’ve even compared them now to a UTAS magazine and could probably even take some more tension off.
I must add that I am now extremely happy with and it runs like a dream.
I know several other owners with these and they have no issues not sure if they load ten.
Mine works very well, I may even clean it sometime.
I’d also add the importers which seems to be a gun shop somewhere are stand up guys and back them. Lots of positive posts on facebook.
I just wish it was a bit lighter I’m not the machine i once was.
Just remembered watched a actual UKPSA stage with lots no malfunctions but again don’t know how many they loaded
Edited by Pesty on Wednesday 5th September 11:48
Pesty said:
I’d also add the importers which seems to be a gun shop somewhere are stand up guys and back them. Lots of positive posts on facebook.
I just wish it was a bit lighter I’m not the machine i once was.
Just remembered watched a actual UKPSA stage with lots no malfunctions but again don’t know how many they loaded
Did you speak to them about the issue? I just wish it was a bit lighter I’m not the machine i once was.
Just remembered watched a actual UKPSA stage with lots no malfunctions but again don’t know how many they loaded
The weight is one of the drawbacks but it has enough benefits over a traditional shotgun that you'll soon forget it!
FurtiveFreddy said:
Did you speak to them about the issue?
The weight is one of the drawbacks but it has enough benefits over a traditional shotgun that you'll soon forget it!
No just fiddled with it myself I’m a tinkerer I’m affaraid. But i have joined their facebook page.The weight is one of the drawbacks but it has enough benefits over a traditional shotgun that you'll soon forget it!
Don’t remember reading many problems
Spoken to them just now and they say it's just because the springs are new 
Not entirely convinced as I also spoke a few days ago to a long term user who has been through all the problems and he said it was still doing it after several thousand rounds.
I'm going to load a couple of the mags up and leave them a few days to see what that does to the springs. I've got a spare spring as well so I could also do what you've done and see how well it works.
I'm not going to be shooting loads of PSG comps with it anyway, so I'm not overly fussed. Most of the time I don't need to shoot it with full mags, but I would like to end up with at least 2 which work as they should.
Not entirely convinced as I also spoke a few days ago to a long term user who has been through all the problems and he said it was still doing it after several thousand rounds.
I'm going to load a couple of the mags up and leave them a few days to see what that does to the springs. I've got a spare spring as well so I could also do what you've done and see how well it works.
I'm not going to be shooting loads of PSG comps with it anyway, so I'm not overly fussed. Most of the time I don't need to shoot it with full mags, but I would like to end up with at least 2 which work as they should.
Pinch two coils together with pliers heat other end for a few second the switch ends
I figured springs are cheap what’s the worse that could happen.
I could take a few more cm off this one. It’s still hard to load compared to UTAS will try smacking them with wood first or a toffee hammer or something inside
I like hitting things
Yes turn they do burn money. Went to sight in new sight with a handful of slugs ended up burning 75 or them and 150 birdshot.
I’m basically a huge child
I figured springs are cheap what’s the worse that could happen.
I could take a few more cm off this one. It’s still hard to load compared to UTAS will try smacking them with wood first or a toffee hammer or something inside
I like hitting things
Yes turn they do burn money. Went to sight in new sight with a handful of slugs ended up burning 75 or them and 150 birdshot.
I’m basically a huge child
Edited by Pesty on Thursday 6th September 21:57
Pesty said:
So I found the same thing with all of my mags (follower dragging) but I made myself a 'mag adjustment tool' and they are all sliding freely now.I'll collapse a coil or two as well.
Mags are often the issue when it comes to unreliability with semi-autos. They never seem to get the same level of quality control as the guns.
Pesty said:
I’m basically a huge child
Reminds me of the Ammopal, a 'magazine' that straps to your belt/vest/pack. Holds ten cartridges and (supposedly) facilitates speedy reloading.https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v...
I only own/shoot double barrelled guns and have no need for one. Despite this, I am very keen to purchase one (frustratingly nobody seems to ship it to the UK
) because I think it would be brilliant fun (for about 5 minutes) on simulated game shoots etc. I am also a huge child.
Edited by chemistry on Friday 7th September 22:22
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