The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters
Discussion
aeropilot said:
I though that the wording proposed might signal that LR might be OK, but MARS will get the chop?
There was a half-hearted amendment put forward which was kicked into touch very swiftly today.Unfortunately whenever amendments have been announced, a few optimists post on social media that it's a done deal and that becomes fake news.
The majority of shooters I talk to have no idea what the actual process of getting a Bill through Parliament entails and they can't be bothered to spend 5 minutes finding out.
I suspect the main reason the .50 cal boys have had some success is that they have some members who understand the process and how to 'play the game'. Well done them, but what a shame there isn't a single shooting organisation who defends the rights of all shooters, not just specific sections.
FurtiveFreddy said:
aeropilot said:
I though that the wording proposed might signal that LR might be OK, but MARS will get the chop?
There was a half-hearted amendment put forward which was kicked into touch very swiftly today.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Well done them, but what a shame there isn't a single shooting organisation who defends the rights of all shooters, not just specific sections.
Indeed.The Govt/HO/Plod know this full well, and play the divide and conquer game to their advantage.
Manually Actuated Release System, or something like that.
Basically you pull the trigger and you get a bang, the bolt is then sent back like a normal semi auto but the bolt is captured by a latch in the open position. Then you pull the trigger again and the bolt releases forward and cycles another round in the chamber. Pull the trigger again for another bang.
You basically get 1 shot per 2 trigger pulls so its not semi auto but the rifle is back in battery after the second pull so it can be fired pretty quickly. No where near semi auto ROF though.
Personally I don't like it, just feels weird. I do like lever release though (thumb operated lever rather than trigger). If they keep them I will probably try and get one at some point, but they are very expensive (around £4-5k).
Basically you pull the trigger and you get a bang, the bolt is then sent back like a normal semi auto but the bolt is captured by a latch in the open position. Then you pull the trigger again and the bolt releases forward and cycles another round in the chamber. Pull the trigger again for another bang.
You basically get 1 shot per 2 trigger pulls so its not semi auto but the rifle is back in battery after the second pull so it can be fired pretty quickly. No where near semi auto ROF though.
Personally I don't like it, just feels weird. I do like lever release though (thumb operated lever rather than trigger). If they keep them I will probably try and get one at some point, but they are very expensive (around £4-5k).
GravelBen said:
Sounds like an odd system - I guess semi-autos must be pretty heavily restricted for anyone to bother with it? Probably discussed your semi-autos rules here before actually.
Centre fire semi-auto's were banned in the UK 30 years ago, after the shooting incident in Hungerford.We can have rim fire semi automatic. So up to .22WMR. .22LR is very popular in rimfire. No restrictions on mag sizes.
We can also have semi automatic shotguns. 2 types, low capacity smooth bore on shotgun licence or high capacity rifled bore on firearms licence. (plus other rules)
There are some other very obscure rules however these do not apply to normal people. So for example someone who had an original Colt 1911 could in theory still own it, but they would not be able to fire it and loads of other guff that comes with collectors licences. We are talking very specialist collectors and only a handful in the country.
There are also some vets and game keepers who have been able to justify "human dispatch" pistols which have been semi automatic. Glocks have occasionally been allowed but usually have the magazines pinned to 3 rounds. Again tiny number, like a few tens of people in the whole country.
The bottom line is, if its not rim fire or a shotgun we are not allowed semi auto. Hence why these companies have come up with these oddball work arounds and now the govt has come down on them.
We can also have semi automatic shotguns. 2 types, low capacity smooth bore on shotgun licence or high capacity rifled bore on firearms licence. (plus other rules)
There are some other very obscure rules however these do not apply to normal people. So for example someone who had an original Colt 1911 could in theory still own it, but they would not be able to fire it and loads of other guff that comes with collectors licences. We are talking very specialist collectors and only a handful in the country.
There are also some vets and game keepers who have been able to justify "human dispatch" pistols which have been semi automatic. Glocks have occasionally been allowed but usually have the magazines pinned to 3 rounds. Again tiny number, like a few tens of people in the whole country.
The bottom line is, if its not rim fire or a shotgun we are not allowed semi auto. Hence why these companies have come up with these oddball work arounds and now the govt has come down on them.
red_slr said:
Sorry I forgot the good people of Northern Ireland, they are allowed semi auto. They are also allowed to own a firearm for personal protection, however I understand these permissions are rarely granted now and usually to ex police officers.
Whereas the bad people of Northern Ireland have anything and everything from center fire handguns up to full auto military grade weapons.....Ah yes, that would explain it.
No issue owning semi-autos in NZ in general, but if they have >7 round magazine (for centrefire, >15 for rimfire) or any of a few other semi-random features (freestanding pistol grip, flash hider, retactable/folding stock) they are classified as a 'military style semi-auto' and require a higher category of licence with stricter security requirements and more police vetting etc than a regular licence.
No issue owning semi-autos in NZ in general, but if they have >7 round magazine (for centrefire, >15 for rimfire) or any of a few other semi-random features (freestanding pistol grip, flash hider, retactable/folding stock) they are classified as a 'military style semi-auto' and require a higher category of licence with stricter security requirements and more police vetting etc than a regular licence.
Astrocardia, i cant help ID that but it doesnt look Kosher.
I would suggest you ring a local gun shop to come and get it
Or ring your county's police firearm licencing team to come and take a look.
If it is a firearm you dont want to be in possession of it!
I would suggest you ring a local gun shop to come and get it
Or ring your county's police firearm licencing team to come and take a look.
If it is a firearm you dont want to be in possession of it!
Edited by W211 on Friday 30th November 07:56
astroarcadia said:
I'll get some more pics tomorrow.
My dad found it yesterday built-in a stud wall void at home.
Woah fu ck that mate. Could have been used for anything. Ring the cops, don't touch it any further.My dad found it yesterday built-in a stud wall void at home.
Tell them exactly what happened and let them come and get it.
(in the mean time if you happened to have a photo of the under side of the barrel and also the back..)
tumble dryer said:
red_slr said:
Actually looking again could be a Vickers LMG barrel.
I thought it looked more like an underlever air rifle! The 'leg' on the left being the cocking lever... The 'leg' on the right - not a clue!
The barrel does look quite short though.
Here is a Vickers.
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