The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[Turn7]

200Plus Club said:

We've just bought 1000 shells ready for the first pigeon days this summer. Let's hope it's all sorted soon. Very rash decision with little or no consultation.

So, just like any other firearms law then ?

[aeropilot]

Brads67 said:

Cannot believe that actually. Stupidity of the highest order.

The idiot Packham has had this bee in his warped bonnet for some time, and as there are now many more like minded idiots in Govt, he's found enough ears.

There's a petition to have him sacked from the BBC that been setup yesterday, 50k+ already signed

https://www.change.org/p/bbc-bbc-to-sack-chris-pac...

[FurtiveFreddy]

This is yet another example of how a tiny minority can have a big effect on the majority seemingly without any due diligence being carried out.

And if guns are involved, it seems to be even easier to push through changes to legislation without much opposition.

As I said earlier, the golden days of driving and shooting seem to be receding into the distance even faster.

[Pesty]

They live in a liberal bubble circle jerking themselves with self riotousness.

Things are done in the countryside for a reason Chris you spoon.

Signed petition.

fking fk.

[oddman]

The antis have got their tactics spot on

They know the farming lobby and Tories could ensure common sense prevails if given enough time and consultation

So they hit Natural England with a legal challenge.
Natural England then face the choice of conceding or spending public money defending the rights of 'cruel' bird shooters.

The reforms to the general license are ongoing and hopefully there will be a sensible way out. Otherwise expect fluffy hare, foxes and deer to be the next banned species and then rabbits squirrels and rats. I expect to be the last generation of game shooters before it is banned or regulated out of viability.

This has nothing to do with bird welfare or conservation because

1) They would campaign to do something about domestic cats
2) Corvids are serious predators of other bird species

This is about lefties pursuing their class war agenda by a different route, the economic and politic arguments having been lost in the last century.

If you aren't member of BASC join.

[simo1863]

Our local shoot are encouraging everyone to apply on the 29th with the thinking that they'll soon back down with the realisation that it's created more work for someone.

[The_Doc]

oddman said:

The antis have got their tactics spot on

They know the farming lobby and Tories could ensure common sense prevails if given enough time and consultation

So they hit Natural England with a legal challenge.
Natural England then face the choice of conceding or spending public money defending the rights of 'cruel' bird shooters.

The reforms to the general license are ongoing and hopefully there will be a sensible way out. Otherwise expect fluffy hare, foxes and deer to be the next banned species and then rabbits squirrels and rats. I expect to be the last generation of game shooters before it is banned or regulated out of viability.

This has nothing to do with bird welfare or conservation because

1) They would campaign to do something about domestic cats
2) Corvids are serious predators of other bird species

This is about lefties pursuing their class war agenda by a different route, the economic and politic arguments having been lost in the last century.

If you aren't member of BASC join.

Well said. Rational and (sadly) probably spot on.

[LotusMartin]

I am a member of BASC - Makes me wonder what the F they've been doing to let this happen. There's been zero publicity

[aeropilot]

LotusMartin said:

I am a member of BASC - Makes me wonder what the F they've been doing to let this happen. There's been zero publicity

The consensus seems to be BASC have been caught out completely by this move orchestrated by Packham.

Trouble is BASC are quite toothless when it comes to stuff like this, even more so when up against a pro media oik like Packham.

[Brads67]

Ignore it anyway. Who the hell is going to care.?

[JABB]

What does it mean to the guy who goes down to the farm next door to shoot pigeons feeding on his new seed? Do you now need a license to carry out such a service? ( unpaid )

[Brads67]

Yup.that is what it means.

[andyb28]

I heard some rumors that its quite likely the GL's will be re-issued next week but specifically for Pigeons and Crows.

Anyone else think thats likely?

[oddman]

LotusMartin said:

I am a member of BASC - Makes me wonder what the F they've been doing to let this happen. There's been zero publicity

See my post above. This was a a cleverly orchestrated ambush

The legal challenge landed the day Tony Juniper (ex Friends of the Earth) took over as Chair of Natural England. This is the new politics and BASC will struggle to deal with it but what are the alternatives?

andyb28 said:

I heard some rumors that its quite likely the GL's will be re-issued next week but specifically for Pigeons and Crows.

Anyone else think thats likely?

One positive is that it might give Natural England a kick up the arse to get the reformed licenses out more quickly. There is supposed to be news on Monday but if not apply for a license.

Edited by oddman on Friday 26th April 22:22

Edited by oddman on Friday 26th April 22:22

[200Plus Club]

Not stopped me shooting all afternoon!
Mind you , not aware you need a license for rats Lol!

[Cerdo Espada]

200Plus Club said:

Not stopped me shooting all afternoon!
Mind you , not aware you need a license for rats Lol!

Not yet. Give it time, though.

[200Plus Club]

Cerdo Espada said:

Not yet. Give it time, though.

That's the worry, banning it all.

[anonymous-user]

I’m quite worried about what happen to driven shooting in the next few years.

Surely it can’t be long before there is a huge issue made out of 20,000 birds being shot on each Estate every year purely for entertainment.

I’m truly amazed something hasn’t happened by now.

We should all make the best of it while we still can.

[Saddle bum]

Lord Marylebone said:

I’m quite worried about what happen to driven shooting in the next few years.

Surely it can’t be long before there is a huge issue made out of 20,000 birds being shot on each Estate every year purely for entertainment.

I’m truly amazed something hasn’t happened by now.

We should all make the best of it while we still can.

The idea is that the birds end up in the food chain.

[oddman]

So do pigeons.

If you look at the priorities of the antis it is

1) Go after the toffs - hence hunting ban already and a focus on grouse shooting by various means - spurious environmental claims, raptor persecution (maybe some truth?), land politics (especially in Scotland)

2) Take the low hanging fruit - the action this week

They have a following wind politically

• The ignorance, sentimentality, class envy and the apathy of the general public are assets to anti fieldsports campaigners

• The craven cowardice of politicians in the face of this

• They have bien pensant quangocrats like Juniper lined up for positions of power

• BBC with their shameful Disneyfied and biased coverage of the countryside.

Game shooting needs to keep its act in order from game bird rearing all the way to the plate if we are to have any chance of dealing with these challenges. This was the first season I heard credible accounts, rather than rumours of birds being disposed of. If the big boys with their 500 bird days and helicopters don't sort themselves out the small 30-40 bird syndicates like mine will be finished - either banned outright or regulated out of viability

If this discussion was in NPE on this site you would stir up some rabidly anti views and this isn't exactly a haven for lefties.