The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters
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Looking at the statistics in the HoC Briefing Paper from 27th June 2018
So the largest problem is handguns which for the main part are already banned, then right at the bottom is rifles that accounts for about 1% of the problem (and exactly how many of these offences were committed by the legal owner it doesn't mention but I bet it was zero or close to zero). So to counter this threat the powers that be decide to crack down on the most obvious target, the section of the population that isn't the problem, but one that is easy to brag about to the 'meeja' so they can be seen to be "tackling the problem".
Hmm, whilst proper checks on prospective firearms owners are right and proper, to actually tackle the problem I suggest that they need to look elsewhere, but that wouldn't win them any votes, would it?
What's the answer, more actual Police Officers out on the street rather than tied to their desks by red tape and buried under pointless paperwork? Harsher sentences for those that are caught with illegal firearms? I don't know, but it seems to me we have probably reached the 80:20 point (if not 90:10) and more legislation is not going to have a significant impact on the criminal element but does have an adverse impact on the law abiding owners (but nobody cares about us anyway).
So the largest problem is handguns which for the main part are already banned, then right at the bottom is rifles that accounts for about 1% of the problem (and exactly how many of these offences were committed by the legal owner it doesn't mention but I bet it was zero or close to zero). So to counter this threat the powers that be decide to crack down on the most obvious target, the section of the population that isn't the problem, but one that is easy to brag about to the 'meeja' so they can be seen to be "tackling the problem".
Hmm, whilst proper checks on prospective firearms owners are right and proper, to actually tackle the problem I suggest that they need to look elsewhere, but that wouldn't win them any votes, would it?
What's the answer, more actual Police Officers out on the street rather than tied to their desks by red tape and buried under pointless paperwork? Harsher sentences for those that are caught with illegal firearms? I don't know, but it seems to me we have probably reached the 80:20 point (if not 90:10) and more legislation is not going to have a significant impact on the criminal element but does have an adverse impact on the law abiding owners (but nobody cares about us anyway).
MKnight702 said:
Looking at the statistics in the HoC Briefing Paper from 27th June 2018
So the largest problem is handguns which for the main part are already banned, then right at the bottom is rifles that accounts for about 1% of the problem (and exactly how many of these offences were committed by the legal owner it doesn't mention but I bet it was zero or close to zero). So to counter this threat the powers that be decide to crack down on the most obvious target, the section of the population that isn't the problem, but one that is easy to brag about to the 'meeja' so they can be seen to be "tackling the problem".
Hmm, whilst proper checks on prospective firearms owners are right and proper, to actually tackle the problem I suggest that they need to look elsewhere, but that wouldn't win them any votes, would it?
What's the answer, more actual Police Officers out on the street rather than tied to their desks by red tape and buried under pointless paperwork? Harsher sentences for those that are caught with illegal firearms? I don't know, but it seems to me we have probably reached the 80:20 point (if not 90:10) and more legislation is not going to have a significant impact on the criminal element but does have an adverse impact on the law abiding owners (but nobody cares about us anyway).
Good postSo the largest problem is handguns which for the main part are already banned, then right at the bottom is rifles that accounts for about 1% of the problem (and exactly how many of these offences were committed by the legal owner it doesn't mention but I bet it was zero or close to zero). So to counter this threat the powers that be decide to crack down on the most obvious target, the section of the population that isn't the problem, but one that is easy to brag about to the 'meeja' so they can be seen to be "tackling the problem".
Hmm, whilst proper checks on prospective firearms owners are right and proper, to actually tackle the problem I suggest that they need to look elsewhere, but that wouldn't win them any votes, would it?
What's the answer, more actual Police Officers out on the street rather than tied to their desks by red tape and buried under pointless paperwork? Harsher sentences for those that are caught with illegal firearms? I don't know, but it seems to me we have probably reached the 80:20 point (if not 90:10) and more legislation is not going to have a significant impact on the criminal element but does have an adverse impact on the law abiding owners (but nobody cares about us anyway).
Finally got round to looking through a holosight. Nope. A constellation of stars. I'll stick with optics. I've a very,very cheap chinese RMR coming for a play on the G19, but I suspect I'll stick to upgrading the standard sights with glock night sights.
Also took the opportunity to handle a gen5 Glock17. I greatly prefer the feel to the previous generations largely down to my fingers being able to find their own position - a feeling reinforced by handling a gen4 G21 immediately afterwards - really didn't like way my fingers fell on the grip at all - right on the ridges before they settled in a slightly unnatural spot. The glock factory night sights felt much better than the standard sights, too - I'd be happy with them on the G19. It's the first glock I've handled that didn't feel slightly alien and odd - and I think I've fired every generation, starting with the rare-ish gen1 G17L in '88.
The grip angle still didn't feel as normal as the polymer80's. though. I'd happily buy one, put I I think I still prefer the P80 - I suspect my next build will be either a full size (G17) P80 or a G21. Possibly a G20. Probably G21; just for a change. The 10mm can come later. The only one that doesn't appeal is the subcompact G26 - it's simply too short in the grip.
Finally....open carry. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's f
king odd, and still a surprise to find someone in a store with a holstered pistol. Especially some granddad with an 8" nickel revolver.
Also took the opportunity to handle a gen5 Glock17. I greatly prefer the feel to the previous generations largely down to my fingers being able to find their own position - a feeling reinforced by handling a gen4 G21 immediately afterwards - really didn't like way my fingers fell on the grip at all - right on the ridges before they settled in a slightly unnatural spot. The glock factory night sights felt much better than the standard sights, too - I'd be happy with them on the G19. It's the first glock I've handled that didn't feel slightly alien and odd - and I think I've fired every generation, starting with the rare-ish gen1 G17L in '88.
The grip angle still didn't feel as normal as the polymer80's. though. I'd happily buy one, put I I think I still prefer the P80 - I suspect my next build will be either a full size (G17) P80 or a G21. Possibly a G20. Probably G21; just for a change. The 10mm can come later. The only one that doesn't appeal is the subcompact G26 - it's simply too short in the grip.
Finally....open carry. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's f
king odd, and still a surprise to find someone in a store with a holstered pistol. Especially some granddad with an 8" nickel revolver.jimmyjimjim said:
Also took the opportunity to handle a gen5 Glock17.....The grip angle still didn't feel as normal as the polymer80's. though. I'd happily buy one, put I I think I still prefer the P80 ...
Finally....open carry. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's fking odd, and still a surprise to find someone in a store with a holstered pistol. Especially some granddad with an 8" nickel revolver.
I'm a novice but I have to say that I've never liked any glock. I get that striker fire polymer pistols are very practical and reliable, but glock's just never felt comfortable for me to shoot. Being the novice that I am, I prefer something with a safety (decoker preferably) and a hammer. Finally....open carry. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's f
king odd, and still a surprise to find someone in a store with a holstered pistol. Especially some granddad with an 8" nickel revolver.Open carry is pretty common here in Texas. I think that the only thing it serves is to get people used to the idea of the public owning and carrying guns. As you said, the first time you see it, it's odd but now I don't give it a second glance. It's Texas and you should assume that everyone carries, that's why everyone is so nice to each other here
. PS. The grandad with the 8" revolver probably went to Vietnam and is likely to be a very good shot.
News this morning of a mass shooting at a garlic festival in the states! You guys certainly do have an on going and never ending problem to solve there with all the people carrying these guns . If that were the UK it would be the end of us all having access to sporting weapons I imagine.
alabbasi said:
Sadly yes. Gun ownership is a constitutional right which is unlikely to be ever taken away and nor should it be. On a whole, I almost always feel safe around where I live in Texas. I can't honestly say the same about when I lived in London.
Good point. I also wouldn't feel safe in parts of London, but imagine those same moped knife thugs with guns! Very difficult to come up with any right answers in this situation.
200Plus Club said:
alabbasi said:
Sadly yes. Gun ownership is a constitutional right which is unlikely to be ever taken away and nor should it be. On a whole, I almost always feel safe around where I live in Texas. I can't honestly say the same about when I lived in London.
Good point. I also wouldn't feel safe in parts of London, but imagine those same moped knife thugs with guns! Very difficult to come up with any right answers in this situation.
To your point, moped gangs don't exist in Texas because they'd get shot ... Then run over with a pickup truck
200Plus Club said:
News this morning of a mass shooting at a garlic festival in the states!
Yes, my best mate who emigrated to California in 2002 used to work in Gilroy, and its where his wife grew up.Had a message early this morning from him saying some of their friends were there and witnessed it.
alabbasi said:
Sadly yes. Gun ownership is a constitutional right which is unlikely to be ever taken away and nor should it be.
Don't count on it. Here in England the laws were very similar to the US not that long ago. I have said it many times at my club to younger guys coming up through the sport who come out with the "we should protest to get pistols back" line.... there will come a day very soon where sporting use of firearms will be a thing of the past let alone pistols.
Personally I think in the coming years we will be left with single shot bolt guns and s.2 shotguns.
And it has nothing to do with whats going on in the UK. Its the global media hype. An incident happens in NZ, USA, France and its a direct knock on here. For example the whole "rapid fire" ban that's just coming in came about because of the incident in France which then brought it to the attention of the government here. Cue mass misinformation and the "do gooders" get their way, as usual.
I don't know what happened to our right to enjoyment of our private and family life but it seems the majority of the uk public ride very high horses.
Mean while transit vans are being driven at the public by terrorists... don't hear people saying we need stricter checks on renting vehicles but that's clearly whats needed. Doctors report, 2 references, membership of some kind of trade association... THEN you can rent a van, but only one that goes really slowly.
red_slr said:
I have said it many times at my club to younger guys coming up through the sport who come out with the "we should protest to get pistols back" line.... there will come a day very soon where sporting use of firearms will be a thing of the past let alone pistols.
Personally I think in the coming years we will be left with single shot bolt guns and s.2 shotguns.
Yes, I've been saying as much to the handful of 'young' members of my club (that's 'young' as in being under 40!!!) Personally I think in the coming years we will be left with single shot bolt guns and s.2 shotguns.
red_slr said:
Don't count on it. Here in England the laws were very similar to the US not that long ago.
Britain is the ultimate nanny state and I think that for the most part, people there like it. Americans are somewhat different. If that was to happen, it would have happened 50 years ago. Now, any politician who would suggest it would not make it through a primary. They might restrict at a city/state level but usually when that happens, violent crime goes up instead of down.alabbasi said:
red_slr said:
Don't count on it. Here in England the laws were very similar to the US not that long ago.
Britain is the ultimate nanny state and I think that for the most part, people there like it.alabbasi said:
I'm a novice but I have to say that I've never liked any glock. I get that striker fire polymer pistols are very practical and reliable, but glock's just never felt comfortable for me to shoot. Being the novice that I am, I prefer something with a safety (decoker preferably) and a hammer.
I'm very much a novice, I've just had a very, very patchy history of shooting going back a fair time. These days, building them appeals more than shooting, though I do both. People have said a lot about the glock grip and I can't argue. Buy yourself a P80 frame online - usually discounted to about $100 and see what you think. These days, I've seen them in a lot of LGS, too.I'd also prefer a decocker. They had a P7M13. If it was 4k cheaper I'd have snapped that up. As would everyone else. These days, every manufacturer seems to go with JMB's (pbuh) design. I'd love to see a modern P7.
alabbasi said:
Open carry is pretty common here in Texas. I think that the only thing it serves is to get people used to the idea of the public owning and carrying guns. As you said, the first time you see it, it's odd but now I don't give it a second glance. It's Texas and you should assume that everyone carries, that's why everyone is so nice to each other here .
PS. The grandad with the 8" revolver probably went to Vietnam and is likely to be a very good shot.
I don't doubt it. I see open carry...not very often. Hence it being something to remark on. That being said, I'm well aware that there's areas where it much more common, and I'm sure I'd get used to it. As it is...it's bloody odd.. PS. The grandad with the 8" revolver probably went to Vietnam and is likely to be a very good shot.
I've never felt threatened in the US, and I've traveled fairly widely across it with work. In contrast, I lived in Purley, and wasn't the least bit surprised at the recent knifing.
aeropilot said:
I don't think the majority do like it.......... we just don't see to be able to do anything to change it.
People can change it, they just need to get organized and be willing to accept more personal responsibility. I suspect that everyone on this thread is probably the personal responsibility type so i hope that this does not come off in a negative way. I try to come home twice yearly now that my parents are getting on so that I can fix things around the house. There's lots to love about England so I don't want to sound critical, but some stuff is struggle to comprehend. That's probably a topic for a different thread.
alabbasi said:
aeropilot said:
I don't think the majority do like it.......... we just don't see to be able to do anything to change it.
People can change it, they just need to get organized and be willing to accept more personal responsibility. jimmyjimjim said:
Buy yourself a P80 frame online - usually discounted to about $100 and see what you think. These days, I've seen them in a lot of LGS, too.
I went the old fart route with a bunch of 1911's (.45's and 10mm). Because they're beautiful and super comfortable to shoot but not what I would call practical, I'm partial to a CZ-75 or Beretta M9 (or the compact versions) for practical purposes (high capacity, double action/single action, dechoker etc), but as I don't have a desire to carry at this time, I've resisted the urge to get one.Edited by alabbasi on Monday 29th July 14:23
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