The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[jimmyjimjim]

They're big and heavy with low capacity?

[alabbasi]

aeropilot said:

Not practical in what way?

It's my personal opinion: The 1911 is a big heavy gun with a very light trigger which makes it a great range gun. From a practical perspective, it's hard to conceal and I don't feel like I have the experience or confidence to carry one in the cocked and locked position which is how they are designed to be carried. I'm sure that with lots of practice, I can get over the second part but for self defense, I like the idea of a long and heavy first trigger pull of a double action pistol to avoid a negligent discharge in a situation where my mind is likely to be racing at a million miles per hour because my life is in danger. I'm not sure that any amount of range time can fix that which is why I also shy away from a striker fire pistol for carry purposes.

Much of this is probably in my head, but... you know...

Practice practice practice.

Edited by alabbasi on Monday 29th July 14:58

[aeropilot]

jimmyjimjim said:

They're big and heavy with low capacity?

The low capacity myth has been debunked more times than I care to read about, and not all 1911 frames are big and heavy.

When I was in Texas 3 years ago, and had a few hours rifle instruction at a range there, the ex-USMC instructor had a lovely 'commander' framed Kimber that was his CC. His view was that the slim frame and single stack was better for CC than most thicker frame double stack 9mm pistols, but he was also a big 1911 fan, even though he was only late 30's.

[jimmyjimjim]

aeropilot said:

jimmyjimjim said:

They're big and heavy with low capacity?

The low capacity myth has been debunked more times than I care to read about, and not all 1911 frames are big and heavy.

When I was in Texas 3 years ago, and had a few hours rifle instruction at a range there, the ex-USMC instructor had a lovely 'commander' framed Kimber that was his CC. His view was that the slim frame and single stack was better for CC than most thicker frame double stack 9mm pistols, but he was also a big 1911 fan, even though he was only late 30's.

It was my guess at what I though the answer was. Though 7 is less than 17....I'm just annoyed I can't buy the PMR-30. I don't carry, though I agree that thinner would be better.

[aeropilot]

alabbasi said:

It's my personal opinion: The 1911 is a big heavy gun with a very light trigger which makes it a great range gun. From a practical perspective, it's hard to conceal and I don't feel like I have the experience or confidence to carry one in the cocked and locked position which is how they are designed to be carried. I'm sure that with lots of practice, I can get over the second part but for self defense, I like the idea of a long and heavy first trigger pull of a double action pistol to avoid a negligent discharge in a situation where my mind is likely to be racing at a million miles per hour because my life is in danger. I'm not sure that any amount of range time can fix that which is why I also shy away from a striker fire pistol for carry purposes.

Much of this is probably in my head, but... you know...

Practice practice practice.

Understood.

Going back to what that guy in Texas taught me though, was that the best choice was the one you find most comfortable and 'at one with' as you don't have time to think, its reflex, and reflex with something your are less comfortable with could cost you dearly.....

Although, I've shot since I was a teenager, but I'm not sure I could or would CC if I lived in the USA.

[jimmyjimjim]

I'm not sure i'd be at all comfortable living somewhere I thought it a good idea to carry.

edit-autouncorrect.

Edited by jimmyjimjim on Tuesday 30th July 03:25

[alabbasi]

aeropilot said:

Although, I've shot since I was a teenager, but I'm not sure I could or would CC if I lived in the USA.

Then move to Texas and open carry

[aeropilot]

alabbasi said:

aeropilot said:

Although, I've shot since I was a teenager, but I'm not sure I could or would CC if I lived in the USA.

Then move to Texas and open carry

I did enjoy Texas, but not sure I'd want to open carry either.

[Bill]

jimmyjimjim said:

I'm not sure I'd be at all comfortable living somewhere I thought it a good idea to carry.

If I felt I needed to carry for my own protection I'd move. Life's too short.

[alabbasi]

Bill said:

If I felt I needed to carry for my own protection I'd move. Life's too short.

It's a matter of perception in the end. Giving people the right to legally own and carry a firearm will prevent situations that I grew up around in London where someone can get mugged or assaulted in broad daylight while everyone stands around watching it. In the 20 odd years that I've lived here, I've never seen anyone brandish a firearm. The laws as they stand help prevent the type of situations that I would often see or hear about in London because people here are less likely to be victims.

Edited by alabbasi on Tuesday 30th July 13:06

[Bill]

It just escalates things imo. Sure assaults and muggings are less frequent, but you're much more (4x) more likely to be killed deliberately, and many many times more likely to be killed accidentally.

[Halb]

Violent crime in Texas is above average for the USA, open carry has little to no effect.
Rate per 1,000 Murder 0.05 Rape 0.51 Robbery 1.14 avg. 2.69
Rate per 1,000 Murder 0.05 Rape 0.42 Robbery 0.98 avg 2.49
76,089/810,825
chances of being a victim of motorcrime is also higher in Texas.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/tx/crime

After saying that, here is a pic of me finally achieving a childhood dream.

[alabbasi]

Bill said:

It just escalates things imo. Sure assaults and muggings are less frequent, but you're much more (4x) more likely to be killed deliberately, and many many times more likely to be killed accidentally.

No question, you're correct. But from just about everyone I know who does carry, they tend to be super calm and always say that they avoid confrontation or de-escalate. It's very much a last resort thing and everyone recognizes that you could be killed, go to jail or bankrupt yourself fighting a court case.

Halb said:

Violent crime in Texas is above average for the USA, open carry has little to no effect.

Open carry has nothing to do crime rates. It's purely a political statement. Statistics don't really tell the full story and there are some very dangerous areas in Texas because there are some very poor neighborhoods in Texas. However, the crime itself is a lot more localized, limited to certain neighborhood and you can actually move away from it. It's somewhat different to London where you have to pretty much deal with it everywhere.

Where i live, the avg is 1/5th of the national avg

Nice cannon

[jimmyjimjim]

Chinese Trijicon RMR knockoff in Dark Earth (also known as rose gold):

[Pesty]

alabbasi said:

Bill said:

It just escalates things imo. Sure assaults and muggings are less frequent, but you're much more (4x) more likely to be killed deliberately, and many many times more likely to be killed accidentally.

No question, you're correct. But from just about everyone I know who does carry, they tend to be super calm and always say that they avoid confrontation or de-escalate. It's very much a last resort thing and everyone recognizes that you could be killed, go to jail or bankrupt yourself fighting a court case.

Halb said:

Violent crime in Texas is above average for the USA, open carry has little to no effect.

Open carry has nothing to do crime rates. It's purely a political statement. Statistics don't really tell the full story and there are some very dangerous areas in Texas because there are some very poor neighborhoods in Texas. However, the crime itself is a lot more localized, limited to certain neighborhood and you can actually move away from it. It's somewhat different to London where you have to pretty much deal with it everywhere.

Where i live, the avg is 1/5th of the national avg

Nice cannon

A lot of people in the UK just think Texas is all gun loving red blooded republicans.

They don’t realise in the border areas it’s a lot democrat voting Hispanics and some cities and areas are full of dems.

It’s more complex than just gun ownership.

[alabbasi]

Pesty said:

A lot of people in the UK just think Texas is all gun loving red blooded republicans.

They don’t realise in the border areas it’s a lot democrat voting Hispanics and some cities and areas are full of dems.

It’s more complex than just gun ownership.

I don't think democrats vote in Texas but they're saying that with all the migration from the west coast , it might turn into a purple state sometime in the near future. Democrats or Republicans, Texas has a lot of good people.

Edited by alabbasi on Monday 5th August 00:53

[BertieWooster]

Bill said:

jimmyjimjim said:

I'm not sure I'd be at all comfortable living somewhere I thought it a good idea to carry.

If I felt I needed to carry for my own protection I'd move. Life's too short.

I concealed carry whenever I am down in Denver. Not so much where I live up in the mountains as it's very safe up here. Low crime rate, with robberies/muggings being extremely rare.

[red_slr]

jimmyjimjim said:

Chinese Trijicon RMR knockoff in Dark Earth (also known as rose gold):

Nice. I have a Trijicon on my .357 revolver and its stood up great.

[Halb]

alabbasi said:

Open carry has nothing to do crime rates. It's purely a political statement. Statistics don't really tell the full story and there are some very dangerous areas in Texas because there are some very poor neighborhoods in Texas. However, the crime itself is a lot more localized, limited to certain neighborhood and you can actually move away from it. It's somewhat different to London where you have to pretty much deal with it everywhere.

Where i live, the avg is 1/5th of the national avg

I wasn't making a political statement, it was a response (after it made me go look at the data) if the hypothesis that open carry is the reason people are nice to each other.

[Marlin45]

aeropilot said:

alabbasi said:

red_slr said:

Don't count on it. Here in England the laws were very similar to the US not that long ago.

Britain is the ultimate nanny state and I think that for the most part, people there like it.

I don't think the majority do like it.......... we just don't see to be able to do anything to change it.

This.

Plus the fact we have an ever increasing sheep like population in the UK who like to see more laws and restrictions in response to any issues - even if the result yields zero positive results. To be seen to be doing something, even if it is useless, and the negatives only upset a minority it's a win win in their eyes.

Never mind, eyes back to Love Island/footballs started/Emmerdale?