The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[aeropilot]

Jimbeaux said:

Is there a loophole in England for such a caliber or are you specially licensed?

No loopholes in the UK for anything

You have to individually pre-apply for each calibre as a 'variation' on your license, before you can buy a firearm in that calibre.

[Jimbeaux]

Pesty said:

Jimbeaux said:

Is there a loophole in England for such a caliber or are you specially licensed?

No limit on caliber. Just not semi auto above .22lr

Edit as aero saints below. You do need to apply for a ‘ slot’ in your licence for that Caliber.

Edited by Pesty on Monday 18th May 21:20

Ah I see, the rim fire thing is for semi auto only. Thanks!

[Jimbeaux]

aeropilot said:

Jimbeaux said:

Is there a loophole in England for such a caliber or are you specially licensed?

No loopholes in the UK for anything

You have to individually pre-apply for each calibre as a 'variation' on your license, before you can buy a firearm in that calibre.

I see. So the “application” for each caliber is why? To determine if one has a use for said caliber? It would appear once the criteria is met to own a firearm, it should not vary much between calibers; unless you were trying to buy a howitzer or something.

[Jimbeaux]

Pesty, to answer your earlier edit; no, we do not require a license to own a weapon here, whatever caliber. A. Background check is ran through the FBI before purchase.
Once cleared for purchased, the purchase is not kept in a government database. The check was just to authorize the sale. We don’t consider that the government’s business.
A license is required to be a dealer / importer / exporter, etc.
gun laws vary by state. Here is a state by state summary on each states’ gun purchase laws:

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/state-law/...

Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 18th May 21:40

[Mannginger]

I'm not an expert so my layman's opinion on they "why" goes something like this:

Control, barrier to entry, ability to deny you if they think you're building up an arsenal for which you have no purpose, potentially helps narrow down search on specific weapons, I don't believe you can buy specific calibre ammo unless you have the ticket, so helps control that as well?

I may be wrong on all of that!

[aeropilot]

Jimbeaux said:

aeropilot said:

Jimbeaux said:

Is there a loophole in England for such a caliber or are you specially licensed?

No loopholes in the UK for anything

You have to individually pre-apply for each calibre as a 'variation' on your license, before you can buy a firearm in that calibre.

I see. So the “application” for each caliber is why? To determine if one has a use for said caliber? It would appear once the criteria is met to own a firearm, it should not vary much between calibers; unless you were trying to buy a howitzer or something.

Your license here states what you are allowed to possess and for what reason (target, game, pest control etc)

You can't just go and buy what you want, you can only buy something that matches the empty 'slot' you have for that specific calibre on your license. If you have all your slots filled, that's it. You have to apply for another slot, or sell something and then apply for another slot etc.

Having a Firearms License in the UK is not a straightforward, easy process.

[Jimbeaux]

Mannginger said:

I'm not an expert so my layman's opinion on they "why" goes something like this:

Control, barrier to entry, ability to deny you if they think you're building up an arsenal for which you have no purpose, potentially helps narrow down search on specific weapons, I don't believe you can buy specific calibre ammo unless you have the ticket, so helps control that as well?

I may be wrong on all of that!

Sounds reasonable. You may well be correct.

[Jimbeaux]

aeropilot said:

Jimbeaux said:

aeropilot said:

Jimbeaux said:

Is there a loophole in England for such a caliber or are you specially licensed?

No loopholes in the UK for anything

You have to individually pre-apply for each calibre as a 'variation' on your license, before you can buy a firearm in that calibre.

I see. So the “application” for each caliber is why? To determine if one has a use for said caliber? It would appear once the criteria is met to own a firearm, it should not vary much between calibers; unless you were trying to buy a howitzer or something.

Your license here states what you are allowed to possess and for what reason (target, game, pest control etc)

You can't just go and buy what you want, you can only buy something that matches the empty 'slot' you have for that specific calibre on your license. If you have all your slots filled, that's it. You have to apply for another slot, or sell something and then apply for another slot etc.

Having a Firearms License in the UK is not a straightforward, easy process.

I see, thank you. So an oversimplified paraphrase would be:
1) Demonstrate why you desire/need a particular caliber, then obtain the license and slots.
2) Fill said caliber through purchase.
3 if one desires another of the same caliber, one must vacate that slot through sale or other disposal.

That is sort of akin to the “making room under the salary cap” in professional American football.

[aeropilot]

Jimbeaux said:

aeropilot said:

Jimbeaux said:

aeropilot said:

Jimbeaux said:

Is there a loophole in England for such a caliber or are you specially licensed?

No loopholes in the UK for anything

You have to individually pre-apply for each calibre as a 'variation' on your license, before you can buy a firearm in that calibre.

I see. So the “application” for each caliber is why? To determine if one has a use for said caliber? It would appear once the criteria is met to own a firearm, it should not vary much between calibers; unless you were trying to buy a howitzer or something.

Your license here states what you are allowed to possess and for what reason (target, game, pest control etc)

You can't just go and buy what you want, you can only buy something that matches the empty 'slot' you have for that specific calibre on your license. If you have all your slots filled, that's it. You have to apply for another slot, or sell something and then apply for another slot etc.

Having a Firearms License in the UK is not a straightforward, easy process.

I see, thank you. So an oversimplified paraphrase would be:
1) Demonstrate why you desire/need a particular caliber.
2) Fill said caliber through purchase.
3 if one desires another of the same caliber, one must vacate that slot through sale or other disposal.

Affirmative for 1) & 2)
You can apply for another more than one slot for the same calibre. I have 2 x .303 slots for example. You don't have to sell to get something else. But we do have to show usage here, some Police Forces can get akward if you have a gun that you haven't used for any length of time without good reason, as by default the 'good reason to posses' which is the cornerstone of the UK process is no longer valid.
Its very complicated here

[Jimbeaux]

aeropilot said:

Jimbeaux said:

aeropilot said:

Jimbeaux said:

aeropilot said:

Jimbeaux said:

Is there a loophole in England for such a caliber or are you specially licensed?

No loopholes in the UK for anything

You have to individually pre-apply for each calibre as a 'variation' on your license, before you can buy a firearm in that calibre.

I see. So the “application” for each caliber is why? To determine if one has a use for said caliber? It would appear once the criteria is met to own a firearm, it should not vary much between calibers; unless you were trying to buy a howitzer or something.

Your license here states what you are allowed to possess and for what reason (target, game, pest control etc)

You can't just go and buy what you want, you can only buy something that matches the empty 'slot' you have for that specific calibre on your license. If you have all your slots filled, that's it. You have to apply for another slot, or sell something and then apply for another slot etc.

Having a Firearms License in the UK is not a straightforward, easy process.

I see, thank you. So an oversimplified paraphrase would be:
1) Demonstrate why you desire/need a particular caliber.
2) Fill said caliber through purchase.
3 if one desires another of the same caliber, one must vacate that slot through sale or other disposal.

Affirmative for 1) & 2)
You can apply for another more than one slot for the same calibre. I have 2 x .303 slots for example. You don't have to sell to get something else. But we do have to show usage here, some Police Forces can get akward if you have a gun that you haven't used for any length of time without good reason, as by default the 'good reason to posses' which is the cornerstone of the UK process is no longer valid.
Its very complicated here

I see that it is. Is there a niche market there that helps people navigate their way to the gun they want? LOL. Thanks for the time and explanations.

[aeropilot]

Jimbeaux said:

I see that it is.

To be honest, once you actually have been granted a license, the chopping and changing and other stuff that you have to comply with isn't too bad.
The hardest bit is actually getting a license to start with.

[Jimbeaux]

aeropilot said:

Jimbeaux said:

I see that it is.

To be honest, once you actually have been granted a license, the chopping and changing and other stuff that you have to comply with isn't too bad.
The hardest bit is actually getting a license to start with.

I understand. Once in the door, it gets easier and more routine.

[200Plus Club]

Firearms police section have been pleasant and professional to deal with in my experience. Answer any queries and allowed me to open up my license when requested and with experience etc. It's very stringent and rightly so, would be nice to have access like US citizens to exotic firearms etc but in many ways they really aren't necessary or useful.

[Jimbeaux]

200Plus Club said:

Firearms police section have been pleasant and professional to deal with in my experience. Answer any queries and allowed me to open up my license when requested and with experience etc. It's very stringent and rightly so, would be nice to have access like US citizens to exotic firearms etc but in many ways they really aren't necessary or useful.

True, in the same way some cars aren’t necessary or useful, but they can be fun.

[Sa Calobra]

Pesty said:

Just got this email

BASC is contacting all police forces in England to raise awareness that government Covid-19 guidance allows shooting to resume from today.

While some forces are correctly interpreting the new guidance for England, BASC is aware that several are telling people not to go shooting.

Dr Conor O’Gorman, BASC’s head of policy and campaigns, said: “People can go shooting in England if they follow sensible precautions and we don’t want to see members unfairly disadvantaged because of certain police forces. We are working hard to even out the regional disparities in the advice given by the police.”

BASC is asking that members having problems with individual forces email [e-mail] with brief details so that the issue can be better addressed.

The problem is alot of ranges have a high percentage of older shooters; indoor ranges are particularly difficult to 'distance' even if you have strictly limited numbers in. Due to my job I can be a potential super spreader so I'd stay away for now to help but how many would?

[200Plus Club]

We were out on Wednesday night after the relaxation of guidance. Not much chance of contact with anyone at night on a farm looking for foxes and rabbits :-)

Local gun range have opened with new rules in place (common sense ) and without opening the canteen / toilets etc.

[Pesty]

Sa Calobra said:

The problem is alot of ranges have a high percentage of older shooters; indoor ranges are particularly difficult to 'distance' even if you have strictly limited numbers in. Due to my job I can be a potential super spreader so I'd stay away for now to help but how many would?

My club has opened as you can see there was no chance of spreading as I was given that bay all to myself and one other shooter.

They taped off forint pints so you couldn’t do anything else but stay apart, they have I think 4 ranges at different lengths so just told people to to a range.

Wasn’t an issue.

Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 19th May 22:19

[Cardiff_Exile]

One of the local clay grounds near me opened in the week, went there today and they had a good system of booking slots, max of 2 per group and one way around. All worked very well and glad to be outside, tad windy though!

Rebooked 2 slots for next week, nothing much else to do

[Turn7]

Atkins grant and lang opened to members this week as well.....

[Pesty]

The park lodge ( local) is still shut. Set in 44 acres Of countryside they boast. I’m sure There is enough room.