The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[FurtiveFreddy]

Pesty said:

Not heard of that. Very happy with my grand power.

I have a K22 at the moment. It's good but the CZ has some advantages which I think may give it the edge.
LBP choice depends on what you want to do with it.
If you're shooting gallery rifle/bullseye type stuff you can't really beat a Ruger/Volquartsen/Buckmark.
For dynamic stuff there's a bit more personal preference involved with weight, controls etc.

[Johnspex]

aeropilot said:

simo1863 said:

Cap and ball revolvers anyone?

Not me.

Can't be arsed with all the faffing

Love my Uberti Remington 1858.
Big Bang, clouds of smoke, no real expectations of pinpoint accuracy. Nice bunch of blokes in the BP group. What's not to like?

Dishwasher for mine too.

[aeropilot]

Johnspex said:

aeropilot said:

simo1863 said:

Cap and ball revolvers anyone?

Not me.

Can't be arsed with all the faffing

Love my Uberti Remington 1858.
Big Bang, clouds of smoke, no real expectations of pinpoint accuracy. Nice bunch of blokes in the BP group. What's not to like?

Like I said, never enjoyed shooting proper pre-ban revolvers back in the day, plus, no one in my club shoots BP anymore.
I don't feel I'm missing out

[AndyAudi]

01WE01 said:

Any recommendations for gun storage in the cotswolds? Have shotguns.....

If it’s just a shotgun cert you can do a temp transfer to a mate with a shotgun cert & get them to keep with theirs can’t you? (Think you do need to add it to their cert & notify police but check)

Rifle I’ve been charged £5/mth from local gun shop when away from home for a bit.

[aeropilot]

AndyAudi said:

Rifle I’ve been charged £5/mth from local gun shop when away from home for a bit.

Mine charged me £4/per week per gun when I moved house at the start of the year...!

[NMNeil]

aeropilot said:

jimmyjimjim said:

NM. Looked it up, took me this long to stop laughing and be capable of typing.

I'm retired. So I have nothing to do, and all day not to do it

[Pesty]

aeropilot said:

Mine charged me £4/per week per gun when I moved house at the start of the year...!

Hope you moved house quick


£240 a month for me that would cost

[jimmyjimjim]

aeropilot said:

jimmyjimjim said:

NM. Looked it up, took me this long to stop laughing and be capable of typing.

I vaguely remembered the barrel length, but I'd completely forgotten the coat hanger.

[jimmyjimjim]

NMNeil said:

aeropilot said:

jimmyjimjim said:

NM. Looked it up, took me this long to stop laughing and be capable of typing.

I'm retired. So I have nothing to do, and all day not to do it

Never Mind....

Your cabelas history probably looks similar to mine. Although I wish they'd sell the 22/45 in a sensible colour.

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/ruger-mark-iv-2245...

[Johnspex]

There seems to be a lot of talk on here along the lines of ' I borrowed my mate's ...' or 'there are plenty of... at my club so I don't need to buy one'.

I have been told that this is illegal and you can only shoot guns held by the club and of certain types. For instance you can't borrow a shotgun capable of firing more than 3 rounds or an LBR.

Perfectly happy to be told I'm wrong but hold back on the ' you muppet' kind of reaction please.
I've not been shooting long and tend to take things like that on board without question.
Our chairman has been shooting since God was a lad and seems to know everything.

[aeropilot]

Johnspex said:

There seems to be a lot of talk on here along the lines of ' I borrowed my mate's ...' or 'there are plenty of... at my club so I don't need to buy one'.

I have been told that this is illegal and you can only shoot guns held by the club and of certain types. For instance you can't borrow a shotgun capable of firing more than 3 rounds or an LBR.

Your 'for instance' is correct, you can't borrow/try out a Sect.1 shotgun or a LBR if you don't have one on your FAC, and neither type can be held as a 'club gun' IIRC.

[Johnspex]

aeropilot said:

Johnspex said:

There seems to be a lot of talk on here along the lines of ' I borrowed my mate's ...' or 'there are plenty of... at my club so I don't need to buy one'.

I have been told that this is illegal and you can only shoot guns held by the club and of certain types. For instance you can't borrow a shotgun capable of firing more than 3 rounds or an LBR.

Your 'for instance' is correct, you can't borrow/try out a Sect.1 shotgun or a LBR if you don't have one on your FAC, and neither type can be held as a 'club gun' IIRC.

Are some people on here being a bit too honest about what they've shot and what they've borrowed?

[aeropilot]

Johnspex said:

aeropilot said:

Johnspex said:

There seems to be a lot of talk on here along the lines of ' I borrowed my mate's ...' or 'there are plenty of... at my club so I don't need to buy one'.

I have been told that this is illegal and you can only shoot guns held by the club and of certain types. For instance you can't borrow a shotgun capable of firing more than 3 rounds or an LBR.

Your 'for instance' is correct, you can't borrow/try out a Sect.1 shotgun or a LBR if you don't have one on your FAC, and neither type can be held as a 'club gun' IIRC.

Are some people on here being a bit too honest about what they've shot and what they've borrowed?

I think it depends on what people mean by 'borrowed'?

[simo1863]

I've never borrowed anything (as per my understanding of taking it away from the owner and using it) but thought LBPs or FAC shotguns were the only two categories that apply to that.

Theoretically, would it be illegal to use them when supervised by the owner?

[aeropilot]

Pesty said:

aeropilot said:

Mine charged me £4/per week per gun when I moved house at the start of the year...!

Hope you moved house quick


£240 a month for me that would cost

No.....I had some issues with having to work away from home for 3 weeks soon after moving before I could get my cabinets installed, and then had some cabinet install problems causing a futher delay in getting them back from the RFD.......and had a bill for £200 as a result

[aeropilot]

Pesty said:

aeropilot said:

Pesty said:

What factory was that ( No.4 sniper)?

In general terms, the only two sources of the No.4(T) sent to Holland & Holland for conversion were from ROF Maltby, and from BSA. Rifles that passed the accuracy test at those two factories were set aside for dispatching to H&H in London. No.4(T) had been produced by Enfield prior to the contract be let to H&H, but these were not in numbers that were sufficient, hence the contract to H&H.
By some way though, the majority came from BSA at Small Heath, and its quite rare to find a Maltby 4(T), especially in the later production, as Maltby was a war factory and so production there ended before the contract for the 4(T) ended. However, a handful of the 4(T) that were converted into L42A1 in the early 70's were Maltby made examples.
H&H did convert some from other sources, as part of the testing and evaluation process, and Long Branch in Canada made their own versions of the 4(T) for the Canadian forces.

Edited by aeropilot on Thursday 1st October 09:58

Thanks
I worked in Maltby for years. I’d be surprised if anything made there even fired

Never seen a maltby one in the wild, I was looking for one

Well, there's a coincidence, I just looked on Highwood Classic Arms website about something else, and noticed that Simon has put that's he's got a Maltby No.4 just come into stock or about to come into stock

[MKnight702]

simo1863 said:

Theres a few at my club and they're way more appealing than what we call pistols. Old guy with a stainless steel one says he loads up six, shoots them and then just puts it in the dishwasher when he gets home

I never use the dishwasher for mine, even if the frame is stainless the screws and springs aren't.

I clean mine thoroughly every time I shoot them, with a full dismantle and internal clean every other time. It's just part of the cost of ownership. I have a Pietta 1858 and a Colt Walker, hoping to add an Uberti 1860 at some point.

[aeropilot]

simo1863 said:

I've never borrowed anything (as per my understanding of taking it away from the owner and using it) but thought LBPs or FAC shotguns were the only two categories that apply to that.

Theoretically, would it be illegal to use them when supervised by the owner?

Exactly.
Other than the prohibition of using S.1 shotguns and LBP's as mentioned, I didn't think it was 'illegal' to shoot a few rounds etc through a fellow club member's rifle under their close supervision (especially so if you have that calibre on your own FAC)
Its pretty much the only way of actually trying something out to see if you like it after all.

[NMNeil]

jimmyjimjim said:

Never Mind....

Your cabelas history probably looks similar to mine. Although I wish they'd sell the 22/45 in a sensible colour.

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/ruger-mark-iv-2245...

Real Buck Rogers styling, similar to...
https://www.rockislandauction.com/riac-blog/the-gy...

[Pesty]

aeropilot said:

simo1863 said:

I've never borrowed anything (as per my understanding of taking it away from the owner and using it) but thought LBPs or FAC shotguns were the only two categories that apply to that.

Theoretically, would it be illegal to use them when supervised by the owner?

Exactly.
Other than the prohibition of using S.1 shotguns and LBP's as mentioned, I didn't think it was 'illegal' to shoot a few rounds etc through a fellow club member's rifle under their close supervision (especially so if you have that calibre on your own FAC)
Its pretty much the only way of actually trying something out to see if you like it after all.

My understanding too. In fact my firearms officer specifically mentioned section 1 and and LBP as forbidden. Technically if I drop dead on the range only a registered dealer or policeman can even touch mine. Just making them safe they would be breaking the law I belive.

I clarified further with SYP I asked as I was looking to buy another Section 1, if I could try other members and was told I could not even hold them as the shotgun is registered to them.
People are always asking to try my typhoon, I politely decline. Some serious Karen’s at my club love being hall monitor too much.