The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[AndyAudi]

aeropilot said:

AndyAudi said:

Rifle I’ve been charged £5/mth from local gun shop when away from home for a bit.

Mine charged me £4/per week per gun when I moved house at the start of the year...!

Wow! Interestingly I know a lot of the Scottish dealers ended up storing a lot of Airguns when our laws came in, saw a lot offering storage with a mandatory £5 clean 1st!

[andyb28]

Does anyone shoot with a straight / swan neck rather than pistol grip on a shotgun?

I am still looking for my first side by side and a lot of them are straight. I have never had one, athough have held one in a shop.
What do you find is the main difference? Does your hand get in the way?

[red_slr]

Picked up my PPQ at the weekend and a couple of extra mags. Planning to shoot a few hundred through it tomorrow and my speed loader arrived too which should save my thumbs!

[phib]

andyb28 said:

Does anyone shoot with a straight / swan neck rather than pistol grip on a shotgun?

I am still looking for my first side by side and a lot of them are straight. I have never had one, athough have held one in a shop.
What do you find is the main difference? Does your hand get in the way?

I have tried but now gone back to a pistol grip side by side (Beretta parallelo) just couldnt get on with it, found it twisted in my hand too much.

Phib

[andyb28]

phib said:

I have tried but now gone back to a pistol grip side by side (Beretta parallelo) just couldnt get on with it, found it twisted in my hand too much.

Phib

Thanks phib,

I thought that might be the case. I have looked at the 486 and really like it, but its pricey. The 626E is another option I guess. Truth told, I was trying to avoid having another Beretta, but there isn't a lot of other choices really. I did really like the 471 Silver hawk, which is what led me to ask the question in the first place.

How do you get on with your Parallelo?

Edited by andyb28 on Tuesday 20th October 11:40

[AJL308]

Johnspex said:

There seems to be a lot of talk on here along the lines of ' I borrowed my mate's ...' or 'there are plenty of... at my club so I don't need to buy one'.

I have been told that this is illegal and you can only shoot guns held by the club and of certain types. For instance you can't borrow a shotgun capable of firing more than 3 rounds or an LBR.

Perfectly happy to be told I'm wrong but hold back on the ' you muppet' kind of reaction please.
I've not been shooting long and tend to take things like that on board without question.
Our chairman has been shooting since God was a lad and seems to know everything.

You're correct - mostly. The specific reasons are;

LBR's/LBP's - The reason you can borrow your mate's (or the club's) guns at a range is because the club holds Home Office approval. This makes legal a person's use of firearms for the purposes of target shooting (the act actually uses the words "in connection with target shooting") if they don't have the gun on their own FAC, or don't have an FAC. The categories for approval are only three - small-bore rifle, full-bore rifle and muzzle-loading pistols. All of those may be possessed by a club and lent out to members and members may also lend their own guns to other members. LBR's and LBP's do not fall into any of the categories for approval so can only be possessed by the person who has it on their FAC or by an RFD in the normal course of their business. It's not true that you can only use club guns though.

Shotguns are different in that any pump-action or semi-automatic shotgun which is capable of holding more than two rounds in its magazine is subject to control on an FAC, rather than a SGC. Any shotgun on an SGC can be loaned to someone else to use (subject to one or two conditions depending on circumstances) but there is no legal method by which someone who is not an RFD or has the particular gun on their own FAC can borrow a shotgun subject to FAC controls. The number of shots, as such, isn't really relevant - you could have a shotgun with 10 barrels and it would still be subject to SGC controls rather than FAC controls.

Edited by AJL308 on Tuesday 20th October 11:54

[AJL308]

aeropilot said:

simo1863 said:

I've never borrowed anything (as per my understanding of taking it away from the owner and using it) but thought LBPs or FAC shotguns were the only two categories that apply to that.

Theoretically, would it be illegal to use them when supervised by the owner?

Exactly.
Other than the prohibition of using S.1 shotguns and LBP's as mentioned, I didn't think it was 'illegal' to shoot a few rounds etc through a fellow club member's rifle under their close supervision (especially so if you have that calibre on your own FAC)
Its pretty much the only way of actually trying something out to see if you like it after all.

Perfectly legal to shoot your mate's firearm under the auspices of a club which holds Home Office approval. As long as it falls under one of the three categories for approval.

[phib]

andyb28 said:

Thanks phib,

I thought that might be the case. I have looked at the 486 and really like it, but its pricey. The 626E is another option I guess. Truth told, I was trying to avoid having another Beretta, but there isn't a lot of other choices really. I did really like the 471 Silver hawk, which is what led me to ask the question in the first place.

How do you get on with your Parallelo?

Edited by andyb28 on Tuesday 20th October 11:40

I absolutely love it, will never have another gun .... well apart from another parallelo ! Idealy I would like a pair.

Mine is a 20g but then 90% of my shooting has been done with 20g all my life, i am not the best shot in the world but hit most things with it.

I trried both a 626E and 471 before I bought mine but to me both felt very unwieldy to me at least.

The other one I tried before I bought mine was a holland and holland 20g .... which was £115k ..... purely as someone had one and kinidly let me have a few shots ... I have never been as careful with anything in my llife !!!

The parallelo realy wasnt much different !!!

I would say its worth the extra over a 626E and 471

There really isnt much choice if you want a newish SBS, for a reasonable price.

Phib

[andyb28]

phib said:

I absolutely love it, will never have another gun .... well apart from another parallelo ! Idealy I would like a pair.

Mine is a 20g but then 90% of my shooting has been done with 20g all my life, i am not the best shot in the world but hit most things with it.

I trried both a 626E and 471 before I bought mine but to me both felt very unwieldy to me at least.

The other one I tried before I bought mine was a holland and holland 20g .... which was £115k ..... purely as someone had one and kinidly let me have a few shots ... I have never been as careful with anything in my llife !!!

The parallelo realy wasnt much different !!!

I would say its worth the extra over a 626E and 471

There really isnt much choice if you want a newish SBS, for a reasonable price.

Phib

Many thanks, that is very helpful.
Not sure I could trust myself with a Holland & Holland of that value

There are a couple of 28" 486 at Fennes, which isn't too far from me. I am going to take a look later this week.

[slow_poke]

Has anyone any experience of Hausken moderators? With mesh? Specifically, in .270Win?

[NMNeil]

slow_poke said:

Has anyone any experience of Hausken moderators? With mesh? Specifically, in .270Win?

The problem is for a suppressor/moderator/silencer to work you would have to use subsonic ammo, which sort of defeats the object, and I'm not sure if it's even available in that caliber commercially.
270 Winchester muzzle velocity is about 3000 ft/sec, speed of sound 1125 ft/sec. You will always get the supersonic crack.

[slow_poke]

NMNeil said:

slow_poke said:

Has anyone any experience of Hausken moderators? With mesh? Specifically, in .270Win?

The problem is for a suppressor/moderator/silencer to work you would have to use subsonic ammo, which sort of defeats the object, and I'm not sure if it's even available in that caliber commercially.
270 Winchester muzzle velocity is about 3000 ft/sec, speed of sound 1125 ft/sec. You will always get the supersonic crack.

Yes indeed. But I don't expect silenced, just moderated.

[urquattroGus]

andyb28 said:

Does anyone shoot with a straight / swan neck rather than pistol grip on a shotgun?

I am still looking for my first side by side and a lot of them are straight. I have never had one, athough have held one in a shop.
What do you find is the main difference? Does your hand get in the way?

Yes I adore my B25 Custom Over and under with straight stock.

But I grew up using side by side until about 3 years ago.

For me I now have the best of both worlds with a light and pointy game gun.

If you're getting a side by side for me it has to be a straight stock really, a swan neck one tends to be more necked as it were.

Or there is the price of wales grip? Not used one of those though!

[simo1863]

NMNeil said:

The problem is for a suppressor/moderator/silencer to work you would have to use subsonic ammo, which sort of defeats the object, and I'm not sure if it's even available in that caliber commercially.
270 Winchester muzzle velocity is about 3000 ft/sec, speed of sound 1125 ft/sec. You will always get the supersonic crack.

I have a load that pushes 4000 FPS and I'd say its still worth moderating. Not sure how scientific the person saying it was but someone once told me that it'll still knock about a third off the sound report in front of the muzzle and its miles quieter for the shooter.

270 Win is still going to be making a fair bit of sound though. I imagine it wouldn't be hearing safe even when moderated.

[200Plus Club]

simo1863 said:

NMNeil said:

The problem is for a suppressor/moderator/silencer to work you would have to use subsonic ammo, which sort of defeats the object, and I'm not sure if it's even available in that caliber commercially.
270 Winchester muzzle velocity is about 3000 ft/sec, speed of sound 1125 ft/sec. You will always get the supersonic crack.

I have a load that pushes 4000 FPS and I'd say its still worth moderating. Not sure how scientific the person saying it was but someone once told me that it'll still knock about a third off the sound report in front of the muzzle and its miles quieter for the shooter.

270 Win is still going to be making a fair bit of sound though. I imagine it wouldn't be hearing safe even when moderated.

My 204 Ruger zips along at 4200fps (factory claim) or about 4000fps real world and without my wildcat evo moderator it's like a cannon going off. With the mod it's acceptably loud.

[NMNeil]

200Plus Club said:

My 204 Ruger zips along at 4200fps (factory claim) or about 4000fps real world and without my wildcat evo moderator it's like a cannon going off. With the mod it's acceptably loud.

I used to go to the range at the Los Angeles National Forest and one of the shooters had a .50 Barrett Model 99. It wasn't so much the noise, it was the shock wave which would set off all the car alarms in the parking lot.

[200Plus Club]

NMNeil said:

200Plus Club said:

My 204 Ruger zips along at 4200fps (factory claim) or about 4000fps real world and without my wildcat evo moderator it's like a cannon going off. With the mod it's acceptably loud.

I used to go to the range at the Los Angeles National Forest and one of the shooters had a .50 Barrett Model 99. It wasn't so much the noise, it was the shock wave which would set off all the car alarms in the parking lot.

:-)
I've shot mine in an underground tunnel range while zeroing and the guy next to me was sorting his .308 without a moderator.
Omg that moved some air as it boomed it's way down range!

[aeropilot]

200Plus Club said:

NMNeil said:

200Plus Club said:

My 204 Ruger zips along at 4200fps (factory claim) or about 4000fps real world and without my wildcat evo moderator it's like a cannon going off. With the mod it's acceptably loud.

I used to go to the range at the Los Angeles National Forest and one of the shooters had a .50 Barrett Model 99. It wasn't so much the noise, it was the shock wave which would set off all the car alarms in the parking lot.

:-)
I've shot mine in an underground tunnel range while zeroing and the guy next to me was sorting his .308 without a moderator.
Omg that moved some air as it boomed it's way down range!

Boys toys....

For proper concussive effects you need a mans toy like this PAK 40....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR9vqJZkmJY

[200Plus Club]

aeropilot said:

200Plus Club said:

NMNeil said:

200Plus Club said:

My 204 Ruger zips along at 4200fps (factory claim) or about 4000fps real world and without my wildcat evo moderator it's like a cannon going off. With the mod it's acceptably loud.

I used to go to the range at the Los Angeles National Forest and one of the shooters had a .50 Barrett Model 99. It wasn't so much the noise, it was the shock wave which would set off all the car alarms in the parking lot.

:-)
I've shot mine in an underground tunnel range while zeroing and the guy next to me was sorting his .308 without a moderator.
Omg that moved some air as it boomed it's way down range!

Boys toys....

For proper concussive effects you need a mans toy like this PAK 40....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR9vqJZkmJY

:-)

[NMNeil]

aeropilot said:

Boys toys....

For proper concussive effects you need a mans toy like this PAK 40....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR9vqJZkmJY

I just went deaf