The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

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aeropilot

34,680 posts

228 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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Iminquarantine said:
aeropilot said:
I've already got one....... I just want another one wink
Don’t you need three? So you don’t need to buy a separate cleaning rod.....
hehe

As long as the third one isn't a Kriegsmodell Kar98k of course wink

andyb28

767 posts

119 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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aeropilot said:
Here you go then.....

Many thanks, that is lovely looking.
Are they as accurate and reliable as they are meant to be?

aeropilot

34,680 posts

228 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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andyb28 said:
aeropilot said:
Here you go then.....

Many thanks, that is lovely looking.
Are they as accurate and reliable as they are meant to be?
Meant to be by what criteria?
It all depends on what condition and state you find one in (when you find one) given the age of them, and that most have been through all sorts of refurbs and rebuilds with miss-matched parts over their lives...and how well or not that has been done. And where it was made originally of course, and when.
A good one when you can find one, is a joy to shoot (well, for 10-15 rounds at any rate before your shoulder screams it's time to stop) with a lovely action.
Mine is 80 years old, and all original and matching except for the bolt, and is accurate, and is far better than my aging eyes are able to cope with the rubbish German battle sight picture. I scored 19/50 at 600yrds with it a few months ago, which I was surprised at, as at that range with my eyes, the sight picture is pretty blurred for me, and I missed the target completely with the first and last of my 10 rounds. On the same day, some of the others guys with full on 7.62 heavy barrel Lee-Enfield target rifles and 1/2MOA target sights were only scoring mid to high 20's, so 19 with the Kar98k was pretty acceptable on the day.
If they are worked on and 'targetised' they can be very accurate.....but they are not for firing lots of rounds through though laugh


Edited by aeropilot on Sunday 15th November 20:09

andyb28

767 posts

119 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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aeropilot said:
andyb28 said:
aeropilot said:
Here you go then.....

Many thanks, that is lovely looking.
Are they as accurate and reliable as they are meant to be?
Meant to be by what criteria?
It all depends on what condition and state you find one in (when you find one) given the age of them, and that most have been through all sorts of refurbs and rebuilds with miss-matched parts over their lives...and how well or not that has been done. And where it was made originally of course, and when.
A good one when you can find one, is a joy to shoot (well, for 10-15 rounds at any rate before your shoulder screams it's time to stop) with a lovely action.
Mine is 80 years old, and all original and matching except for the bolt, and is accurate, and is far better than my aging eyes are able to cope with the rubbish German battle sight picture. I scored 19/50 at 600yrds with it a few months ago, which I was surprised at, as at that range with my eyes, the sight picture is pretty blurred for me, and I missed the target completely with the first and last of my 10 rounds. On the same day, some of the others guys with full on 7.62 heavy barrel Lee-Enfield target rifles and 1/2MOA target sights were only scoring mid to high 20's, so 19 with the Kar98k was pretty acceptable on the day.
If they are worked on and 'targetised' they can be very accurate.....but they are not for firing lots of rounds through though laugh


Edited by aeropilot on Sunday 15th November 20:09
Many thanks for sharing, it was great to get an insight into ownership. I don't have rifles on my ticket. Probably a good job as I would own too many guns and have a grumpy wife. smile

un1corn

2,143 posts

138 months

Thursday 19th November 2020
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Question for you shooting bois.

I really want to get into clay, might get into it next year.

Anyway, random thought - What's the law on combination weapons? Aka a shotgun with a chamber for a normal round? Are these classed as Sec1? I would assume so?

Now, what about something like the Luftwaffe Drilling? This is my all time favourite shotgun, I think they are beautiful. They come with two 12 Gauge Barrels and in the middle is a 9.3×74mmr chamber. My understanding is this cartridge was designed in 1900 but could be obsolete? So would you still need a Sec1 for obsolete calibre? (that's if it is obsolete, I cant find an answer)

aeropilot

34,680 posts

228 months

Thursday 19th November 2020
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un1corn said:
Now, what about something like the Luftwaffe Drilling? This is my all time favourite shotgun, I think they are beautiful. They come with two 12 Gauge Barrels and in the middle is a 9.3×74mmr chamber. My understanding is this cartridge was designed in 1900 but could be obsolete? So would you still need a Sec1 for obsolete calibre? (that's if it is obsolete, I cant find an answer)
9.3x7.4mmR in not on the obsolete calibre list, so a Luftwaffe Drilling would need a FAC as well as a SCG.

You would also likely not be allowed to use it at most (if not all) clay club grounds because of the centrefire barrel.


tertius

6,858 posts

231 months

Thursday 19th November 2020
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aeropilot said:
un1corn said:
Now, what about something like the Luftwaffe Drilling? This is my all time favourite shotgun, I think they are beautiful. They come with two 12 Gauge Barrels and in the middle is a 9.3×74mmr chamber. My understanding is this cartridge was designed in 1900 but could be obsolete? So would you still need a Sec1 for obsolete calibre? (that's if it is obsolete, I cant find an answer)
9.3x7.4mmR in not on the obsolete calibre list, so a Luftwaffe Drilling would need a FAC as well as a SCG.

You would also likely not be allowed to use it at most (if not all) clay club grounds because of the centrefire barrel.
Bet it would be rather heavy for a side by side.

Is that not the weapon that featured in Rogue Male? It's a long time since I read it but I am sure the bad guy had a triple barreled shotgun/rifle combination.

Pesty

42,655 posts

257 months

Thursday 19th November 2020
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Expensive morning

Gsg 16

Marlin dark .44



aeropilot

34,680 posts

228 months

Thursday 19th November 2020
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Pesty said:
Expensive morning

Gsg 16

Marlin dark .44
cool

Be interested in what you think of the GSG-16 once you've had a few months with it...thumbup
I love my GSG StG44, but its a heavy old hector, and its not that easy to fit optics to it, and as my eyes are fast fading, I can sadly see me at some point in the near future having to chop that in for something much lighter and easier to mount modern optics to.

Pesty

42,655 posts

257 months

Thursday 19th November 2020
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I’ll let you know when lock down ends

un1corn

2,143 posts

138 months

Thursday 19th November 2020
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aeropilot said:
9.3x7.4mmR in not on the obsolete calibre list, so a Luftwaffe Drilling would need a FAC as well as a SCG.

You would also likely not be allowed to use it at most (if not all) clay club grounds because of the centrefire barrel.
Cheers for the answer, I wasnt sure about the 9.3 but I think i've found a list now.

NMNeil

5,860 posts

51 months

Thursday 19th November 2020
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jimmyjimjim said:
Popped into cabelas to do some Christmas shopping and almost had to laugh - it's barren.

Some shotgun shells, a few hundred rounds of .222 (not a typo) and 6mm creedmore. Nothing else.
About 1/4 the usual number of guns they usually have.
Same here.
I reload 9mm, but didn't bother buying the dies for the 7.62x39 when I could. frown

Turn7

23,630 posts

222 months

Monday 23rd November 2020
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Dont know if anyone can help...looks like we will be moving from Herts to Bucks after Xmas, all being well.....

Any hints on how to go about resiting and legitimising a shotgun cab with 2 guns ?

Ta

aeropilot

34,680 posts

228 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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Turn7 said:
Any hints on how to go about resiting and legitimising a shotgun cab with 2 guns ?
Not sure what you mean by legitimising?

Do you mean, you currently have a SGC with a cabinet with 2 guns and you are moving out of Herts to Bucks and want to know what the procedure is?

If so, you will need to have worked out during your viewings of the new home, where you will be citing the new cabinet that will meet the requirements.
Unless you are confident of waiting until the day of moving to be able to unbolt your existing cabinet, move, and refit the cabinet in the new house, all in the one day (unlikely) you will likely need to put you guns into a RFD prior to moving so you can unbolt your existing cabinet before moving day.
You will then need to email your current Herts FET to give them your moving date, and the new address where you are moving to so they can contact Thames Valley FET, and then they will be in touch in due course to arrange the transfer of your SGC to TVP.
As soon as you've moved in you can refit your cabinet in your new home, and once done, you can collect your guns from the RFD and wait for TVP FET to be in touch with you.

The_Doc

4,895 posts

221 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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aeropilot

34,680 posts

228 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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The_Doc said:
Depends on the wall construction in the new house though....old house with solid walls, yes.

But, you won't be wanting to use expansion anchors in a modern home with thermo block inner leaf and dob n dab plasterboard finish.


Turn7

23,630 posts

222 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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aeropilot said:
Turn7 said:
Any hints on how to go about resiting and legitimising a shotgun cab with 2 guns ?
Not sure what you mean by legitimising?

Do you mean, you currently have a SGC with a cabinet with 2 guns and you are moving out of Herts to Bucks and want to know what the procedure is?

If so, you will need to have worked out during your viewings of the new home, where you will be citing the new cabinet that will meet the requirements.
Unless you are confident of waiting until the day of moving to be able to unbolt your existing cabinet, move, and refit the cabinet in the new house, all in the one day (unlikely) you will likely need to put you guns into a RFD prior to moving so you can unbolt your existing cabinet before moving day.
You will then need to email your current Herts FET to give them your moving date, and the new address where you are moving to so they can contact Thames Valley FET, and then they will be in touch in due course to arrange the transfer of your SGC to TVP.
As soon as you've moved in you can refit your cabinet in your new home, and once done, you can collect your guns from the RFD and wait for TVP FET to be in touch with you.
Thats exactly what I meant, thanks.

Ive not measure it, but have alikely spot on an outside wall, so should be able to move on the day

KingNothing

3,169 posts

154 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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New consultation out now;

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/firear...

Looking like pushing for increased security on firearms capable of 13,600+ joules, i.e. .50cal, more regulation on air weapons, stricter rules for setting up and running mini-rifle ranges, and more barriers to reloading.

Lots of hyperbole about criminals and terrorists as expected.

Don't know how I'd feel about having a very expensive .50cal rifle and having to either store it at a club or dealer, or have someone else from the club you're part of keeping parts of your gun safe for you confused

Turn7

23,630 posts

222 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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Whats the plan for Air rifles now ?

aeropilot

34,680 posts

228 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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KingNothing said:
Don't know how I'd feel about having a very expensive .50cal rifle and having to either store it at a club or dealer, or have someone else from the club you're part of keeping parts of your gun safe for you confused
They want to make life as difficult as possible so you'll give it up - saves them compo money if a direct ban.

They'd be moving high energy almost into a pseudo Sect.7.1 & 7.3 stuff type arrangement.

There are very places you can shoot the high energy stuff now anyway.......but as ever, Firearms Laws are not based on logic and common sense.

As for the ammo situation, I really can't see what they can do other than what is already the case, other than needing to produce your ticket to buy bullets and cases, and you would have to include bullet casting components in that as well, to stop people casting their own rolleyes