The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters
Discussion
andyb28 said:
aeropilot said:
Many thanks, that is lovely looking. Are they as accurate and reliable as they are meant to be?
It all depends on what condition and state you find one in (when you find one) given the age of them, and that most have been through all sorts of refurbs and rebuilds with miss-matched parts over their lives...and how well or not that has been done. And where it was made originally of course, and when.
A good one when you can find one, is a joy to shoot (well, for 10-15 rounds at any rate before your shoulder screams it's time to stop) with a lovely action.
Mine is 80 years old, and all original and matching except for the bolt, and is accurate, and is far better than my aging eyes are able to cope with the rubbish German battle sight picture. I scored 19/50 at 600yrds with it a few months ago, which I was surprised at, as at that range with my eyes, the sight picture is pretty blurred for me, and I missed the target completely with the first and last of my 10 rounds. On the same day, some of the others guys with full on 7.62 heavy barrel Lee-Enfield target rifles and 1/2MOA target sights were only scoring mid to high 20's, so 19 with the Kar98k was pretty acceptable on the day.
If they are worked on and 'targetised' they can be very accurate.....but they are not for firing lots of rounds through though
Edited by aeropilot on Sunday 15th November 20:09
aeropilot said:
andyb28 said:
aeropilot said:
Many thanks, that is lovely looking. Are they as accurate and reliable as they are meant to be?
It all depends on what condition and state you find one in (when you find one) given the age of them, and that most have been through all sorts of refurbs and rebuilds with miss-matched parts over their lives...and how well or not that has been done. And where it was made originally of course, and when.
A good one when you can find one, is a joy to shoot (well, for 10-15 rounds at any rate before your shoulder screams it's time to stop) with a lovely action.
Mine is 80 years old, and all original and matching except for the bolt, and is accurate, and is far better than my aging eyes are able to cope with the rubbish German battle sight picture. I scored 19/50 at 600yrds with it a few months ago, which I was surprised at, as at that range with my eyes, the sight picture is pretty blurred for me, and I missed the target completely with the first and last of my 10 rounds. On the same day, some of the others guys with full on 7.62 heavy barrel Lee-Enfield target rifles and 1/2MOA target sights were only scoring mid to high 20's, so 19 with the Kar98k was pretty acceptable on the day.
If they are worked on and 'targetised' they can be very accurate.....but they are not for firing lots of rounds through though
Edited by aeropilot on Sunday 15th November 20:09
Question for you shooting bois.
I really want to get into clay, might get into it next year.
Anyway, random thought - What's the law on combination weapons? Aka a shotgun with a chamber for a normal round? Are these classed as Sec1? I would assume so?
Now, what about something like the Luftwaffe Drilling? This is my all time favourite shotgun, I think they are beautiful. They come with two 12 Gauge Barrels and in the middle is a 9.3×74mmr chamber. My understanding is this cartridge was designed in 1900 but could be obsolete? So would you still need a Sec1 for obsolete calibre? (that's if it is obsolete, I cant find an answer)
I really want to get into clay, might get into it next year.
Anyway, random thought - What's the law on combination weapons? Aka a shotgun with a chamber for a normal round? Are these classed as Sec1? I would assume so?
Now, what about something like the Luftwaffe Drilling? This is my all time favourite shotgun, I think they are beautiful. They come with two 12 Gauge Barrels and in the middle is a 9.3×74mmr chamber. My understanding is this cartridge was designed in 1900 but could be obsolete? So would you still need a Sec1 for obsolete calibre? (that's if it is obsolete, I cant find an answer)
un1corn said:
Now, what about something like the Luftwaffe Drilling? This is my all time favourite shotgun, I think they are beautiful. They come with two 12 Gauge Barrels and in the middle is a 9.3×74mmr chamber. My understanding is this cartridge was designed in 1900 but could be obsolete? So would you still need a Sec1 for obsolete calibre? (that's if it is obsolete, I cant find an answer)
9.3x7.4mmR in not on the obsolete calibre list, so a Luftwaffe Drilling would need a FAC as well as a SCG.You would also likely not be allowed to use it at most (if not all) clay club grounds because of the centrefire barrel.
aeropilot said:
un1corn said:
Now, what about something like the Luftwaffe Drilling? This is my all time favourite shotgun, I think they are beautiful. They come with two 12 Gauge Barrels and in the middle is a 9.3×74mmr chamber. My understanding is this cartridge was designed in 1900 but could be obsolete? So would you still need a Sec1 for obsolete calibre? (that's if it is obsolete, I cant find an answer)
9.3x7.4mmR in not on the obsolete calibre list, so a Luftwaffe Drilling would need a FAC as well as a SCG.You would also likely not be allowed to use it at most (if not all) clay club grounds because of the centrefire barrel.
Is that not the weapon that featured in Rogue Male? It's a long time since I read it but I am sure the bad guy had a triple barreled shotgun/rifle combination.
Pesty said:
Expensive morning
Gsg 16
Marlin dark .44
Gsg 16
Marlin dark .44
Be interested in what you think of the GSG-16 once you've had a few months with it...
I love my GSG StG44, but its a heavy old hector, and its not that easy to fit optics to it, and as my eyes are fast fading, I can sadly see me at some point in the near future having to chop that in for something much lighter and easier to mount modern optics to.
aeropilot said:
9.3x7.4mmR in not on the obsolete calibre list, so a Luftwaffe Drilling would need a FAC as well as a SCG.
You would also likely not be allowed to use it at most (if not all) clay club grounds because of the centrefire barrel.
Cheers for the answer, I wasnt sure about the 9.3 but I think i've found a list now. You would also likely not be allowed to use it at most (if not all) clay club grounds because of the centrefire barrel.
jimmyjimjim said:
Popped into cabelas to do some Christmas shopping and almost had to laugh - it's barren.
Some shotgun shells, a few hundred rounds of .222 (not a typo) and 6mm creedmore. Nothing else.
About 1/4 the usual number of guns they usually have.
Same here.Some shotgun shells, a few hundred rounds of .222 (not a typo) and 6mm creedmore. Nothing else.
About 1/4 the usual number of guns they usually have.
I reload 9mm, but didn't bother buying the dies for the 7.62x39 when I could.
Turn7 said:
Any hints on how to go about resiting and legitimising a shotgun cab with 2 guns ?
Not sure what you mean by legitimising?Do you mean, you currently have a SGC with a cabinet with 2 guns and you are moving out of Herts to Bucks and want to know what the procedure is?
If so, you will need to have worked out during your viewings of the new home, where you will be citing the new cabinet that will meet the requirements.
Unless you are confident of waiting until the day of moving to be able to unbolt your existing cabinet, move, and refit the cabinet in the new house, all in the one day (unlikely) you will likely need to put you guns into a RFD prior to moving so you can unbolt your existing cabinet before moving day.
You will then need to email your current Herts FET to give them your moving date, and the new address where you are moving to so they can contact Thames Valley FET, and then they will be in touch in due course to arrange the transfer of your SGC to TVP.
As soon as you've moved in you can refit your cabinet in your new home, and once done, you can collect your guns from the RFD and wait for TVP FET to be in touch with you.
The_Doc said:
Depends on the wall construction in the new house though....old house with solid walls, yes.But, you won't be wanting to use expansion anchors in a modern home with thermo block inner leaf and dob n dab plasterboard finish.
aeropilot said:
Turn7 said:
Any hints on how to go about resiting and legitimising a shotgun cab with 2 guns ?
Not sure what you mean by legitimising?Do you mean, you currently have a SGC with a cabinet with 2 guns and you are moving out of Herts to Bucks and want to know what the procedure is?
If so, you will need to have worked out during your viewings of the new home, where you will be citing the new cabinet that will meet the requirements.
Unless you are confident of waiting until the day of moving to be able to unbolt your existing cabinet, move, and refit the cabinet in the new house, all in the one day (unlikely) you will likely need to put you guns into a RFD prior to moving so you can unbolt your existing cabinet before moving day.
You will then need to email your current Herts FET to give them your moving date, and the new address where you are moving to so they can contact Thames Valley FET, and then they will be in touch in due course to arrange the transfer of your SGC to TVP.
As soon as you've moved in you can refit your cabinet in your new home, and once done, you can collect your guns from the RFD and wait for TVP FET to be in touch with you.
Ive not measure it, but have alikely spot on an outside wall, so should be able to move on the day
New consultation out now;
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/firear...
Looking like pushing for increased security on firearms capable of 13,600+ joules, i.e. .50cal, more regulation on air weapons, stricter rules for setting up and running mini-rifle ranges, and more barriers to reloading.
Lots of hyperbole about criminals and terrorists as expected.
Don't know how I'd feel about having a very expensive .50cal rifle and having to either store it at a club or dealer, or have someone else from the club you're part of keeping parts of your gun safe for you
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/firear...
Looking like pushing for increased security on firearms capable of 13,600+ joules, i.e. .50cal, more regulation on air weapons, stricter rules for setting up and running mini-rifle ranges, and more barriers to reloading.
Lots of hyperbole about criminals and terrorists as expected.
Don't know how I'd feel about having a very expensive .50cal rifle and having to either store it at a club or dealer, or have someone else from the club you're part of keeping parts of your gun safe for you
KingNothing said:
Don't know how I'd feel about having a very expensive .50cal rifle and having to either store it at a club or dealer, or have someone else from the club you're part of keeping parts of your gun safe for you
They want to make life as difficult as possible so you'll give it up - saves them compo money if a direct ban.They'd be moving high energy almost into a pseudo Sect.7.1 & 7.3 stuff type arrangement.
There are very places you can shoot the high energy stuff now anyway.......but as ever, Firearms Laws are not based on logic and common sense.
As for the ammo situation, I really can't see what they can do other than what is already the case, other than needing to produce your ticket to buy bullets and cases, and you would have to include bullet casting components in that as well, to stop people casting their own
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