The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[Johnspex]

Here's a stupid question-
Ammo must be kept secured separate from firearms , but what if you have, say, 22 and 357 firearms, could you store the 22 ammo with the 357 firearm and vice versa? Or shotgun ammo with a 303 rifle?

[200Plus Club]

Common sense says firearms never stored with ammo. Small ammo safe with whatever you are allowed to hold in there, job done.

[aeropilot]

200Plus Club said:

Common sense says firearms never stored with ammo. Small ammo safe with whatever you are allowed to hold in there, job done.

[Pesty]

200Plus Club said:

Common sense says firearms never stored with ammo. Small ammo safe with whatever you are allowed to hold in there, job done.

Hmm common sense to me says storing slugs with a 22 pistol is no use to the thief.

If he can break into the gun safe he can break into a ammo safe. To be honest the ammo safes inside most guns safes are a bit st.

I have two safes it would be far safer in my mind to put ammo and different caliber guns in one and vice vesa.

But my common sense seems at odds to the law so to answer his question he has to be unsafe and keep all the right ammo in a safe next to the guns that can use them.

[200Plus Club]

You don't need a safe for shotgun rounds at all, is that common sense really?
Moot point anyhow as the law is what it is. Not gonna change, more likely to get even tougher in time.

[aeropilot]

Pesty said:

I have two safes it would be far safer in my mind to put ammo and different caliber guns in one and vice vesa.

Yes, if I had two gun safes (with ammo top safes inside) then yes, I'd also put the ammo for what's in one in the other (and bolts if app) and vice versa.
I've only got one gun safe though, so I've only got the one seperate ammo safe.

[Pesty]

Anyway.

Who knows about moderators/ suppressors


I need one for my marlin dark. I like the look of wildcat but their design won’t fit due to front sight.

Any good makes?

[Johnspex]

Just for the record ammo of any type is stored separately from guns of whatever type.
I was just wondering .

Thanks.

[carinatauk]

Johnspex said:

Just for the record ammo of any type is stored separately from guns of whatever type.
I was just wondering .

Thanks.

Yes but locked away in a suitable safe; except shotgun shells which can be stored without being locked up but away from your shotguns.

[carinatauk]

Pesty said:

Anyway.

Who knows about moderators/ suppressors


I need one for my marlin dark. I like the look of wildcat but their design won’t fit due to front sight.

Any good makes?

I use Freyr-Devik which are the lightest I found for the noise suppression [but on a Schultz and Larsen]; however I think your rifle has a 11/16"x24 thread? In which case, best of luck, probably need to see if there any American makes that do that thread .[ASE?]

[Pesty]

It’s supposed to have .578 x 28 thread whatever that means. I wrote that down but can’t remember where from

I’ll drop the importers an email they’ve always been very helpful

[jimmyjimjim]

I had to look that up, as it seemed odd to me - I was expecting 1/2x28. This appears to be common for 9mm and .22. .578x28 seems to be common for .45?

Despite the previous advice to look to the US, suppressors are ATF form 4 regulated items (highly controlled), and the manufacturers are not going to want to deal with someone why can't fill in this form (i.e. not a US citizen).

They are all not going to want to export a restricted item to another country - export controls are a pain. I ran into difficulty buying a reflex sight in the US, for delivery and use in the US...because I had a UK email address. Needless to say, I changed it to a .com address for the next order, but it still cost a couple of weeks extra processing time.

[carinatauk]

jimmyjimjim said:

I had to look that up, as it seemed odd to me - I was expecting 1/2x28. This appears to be common for 9mm and .22. .578x28 seems to be common for .45?

Despite the previous advice to look to the US, suppressors are ATF form 4 regulated items (highly controlled), and the manufacturers are not going to want to deal with someone why can't fill in this form (i.e. not a US citizen).

They are all not going to want to export a restricted item to another country - export controls are a pain. I ran into difficulty buying a reflex sight in the US, for delivery and use in the US...because I had a UK email address. Needless to say, I changed it to a .com address for the next order, but it still cost a couple of weeks extra processing time.

Apologies, didn't mean import. Just an US manufacturer.

What calibre is it?

Edited to add:

Marlin Dark 336: 5/8"x24 thread

Marlin Dark 1895: 11/16"x24 thread

Marlin Dark 1894: 357 Mag is 1/2" x 28; 44 Rem Mag is .578 x 28 threads

From: https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever-action/

Edited by carinatauk on Thursday 3rd December 15:21

[carinatauk]

carinatauk said:

Apologies, didn't mean import. Just an US manufacturer.

What calibre is it?

Edited to add:

Marlin Dark 336: 5/8"x24 thread

Marlin Dark 1895: 11/16"x24 thread

Marlin Dark 1894: 357 Mag is 1/2" x 28; 44 Rem Mag is .578 x 28 threads

From: https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever-action/

Edited by carinatauk on Thursday 3rd December 15:21

Or get a thread adapter to a more UK common moderator

[Pesty]

carinatauk said:

Apologies, didn't mean import. Just an US manufacturer.

What calibre is it?

Edited to add:

Marlin Dark 336: 5/8"x24 thread

Marlin Dark 1895: 11/16"x24 thread

Marlin Dark 1894: 357 Mag is 1/2" x 28; 44 Rem Mag is .578 x 28 threads

From: https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever-action/

Edited by carinatauk on Thursday 3rd December 15:21

It’s .44 mag

[Iminquarantine]

Pesty said:

Hmm common sense to me says storing slugs with a 22 pistol is no use to the thief.

If he can break into the gun safe he can break into a ammo safe. To be honest the ammo safes inside most guns safes are a bit st.

I have two safes it would be far safer in my mind to put ammo and different caliber guns in one and vice vesa.

But my common sense seems at odds to the law so to answer his question he has to be unsafe and keep all the right ammo in a safe next to the guns that can use them.

So say you just have two gun safes with no separate ammo compartment. A 22lr rifle in one safe and .223 ammo in that same safe, with the gun for which the ammo won't fit. In the other safe a .223 rifle and 22lr ammo, also with a gun it won't fit. Can you do that?

[red_slr]

Decisions on storage are made on a case by case basis. However most FEOs are going to want any ammunition to be kept in its own container as thats what the guidance states.

That container could be within a gun safe, but it must not be part of the area that stores firearms i,e an internal locker is ok. A shelf is not.

The fact you would have 2 rifles with ammo for one in one safe and the other with the "wrong" rifle is not suitable IMVHO.

The answer in this situation is to put all the ammo in one safe and both rifles in the other.

If they wont fit you need a bigger safe.

But as I said each situation is dealt with on a case by case basis so never say never.

[FurtiveFreddy]

The answer is always going to be get more and bigger safes that you think you'll ever need.

[jan8p]

Applied for my SGC grant last week, reference was contacted the day after. They must have been bored twiddling their thumbs waiting for some work

Thinking of buying a cabinet but not fitting it, and asking the FEO on his visit where he thinks I should put it. Does this sound like a good approach? I know it would mean two visits but I don't want to start chopping skirting board out only for him to prefer a different spot.

To be fair I have quite a few options in spare bedrooms, etc, no issues with walls as it's an old stone house, but my preferred approach is under the stairs mostly out of view next to a coat rack, but he may not like that.

[carinatauk]

jan8p said:

Applied for my SGC grant last week, reference was contacted the day after. They must have been bored twiddling their thumbs waiting for some work

Thinking of buying a cabinet but not fitting it, and asking the FEO on his visit where he thinks I should put it. Does this sound like a good approach? I know it would mean two visits but I don't want to start chopping skirting board out only for him to prefer a different spot.

To be fair I have quite a few options in spare bedrooms, etc, no issues with walls as it's an old stone house, but my preferred approach is under the stairs mostly out of view next to a coat rack, but he may not like that.

If you can ring him / her; saves another visit and loads of time. Usually understairs cupboards are good but anywhere hidden from visitors eyes is preferred.