The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

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Johnspex

4,342 posts

184 months

Tuesday 9th March 2021
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I can't be the only person this happens to.

Very occasionally , when I've shot a round and rack the next one in I find, by the gun jamming, that something is a short way up the barrel. Investigation shows that only a part of the brass has been ejected, about a quarter of the length, and the rest is stuck. A bore snake usually gest the remainder out. When I rack the gun it doesn't feel any different when the bit of case stuck, I can't feel any resistance as the case tears.
Its a very neat tear, equal and square all round the circumference. All I get from members is 'never seen that before'.
Is it using brass that is too old, or is it something more sinister?
The gun is a Marlin 1894C. About 4 years old bought secondhand from a fellow member. It is always spotless.
Thanks for any help or advice you can give.

red_slr

17,234 posts

189 months

Tuesday 9th March 2021
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Make of brass? How old? How many times fired?

Has this just started or been going on a while?

How are you sizing and crimping?


FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

237 months

Tuesday 9th March 2021
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Johnspex said:
I can't be the only person this happens to.

Very occasionally , when I've shot a round and rack the next one in I find, by the gun jamming, that something is a short way up the barrel. Investigation shows that only a part of the brass has been ejected, about a quarter of the length, and the rest is stuck. A bore snake usually gest the remainder out. When I rack the gun it doesn't feel any different when the bit of case stuck, I can't feel any resistance as the case tears.
Its a very neat tear, equal and square all round the circumference. All I get from members is 'never seen that before'.
Is it using brass that is too old, or is it something more sinister?
The gun is a Marlin 1894C. About 4 years old bought secondhand from a fellow member. It is always spotless.
Thanks for any help or advice you can give.
Well that's not going to happen to new brass, so it's almost certainly because it's too old.
TBH, for carbines and revolvers some reload until the brass splits and then just throw that one away and carry on with the rest.
It's not like full bore rifle reloading where you're trying to eek out every last bit of accuracy (and the pressures are a lot higher too) where a split case would be frowned upon.
Have a good look at the cases and see if you can see a ridge or thinner section of the brass. Run a bent paper clip down the inside to feel for irregularities.
If it was me and I didn't know the age of the brass, they'd all go in the bin.

tobinen

9,227 posts

145 months

Tuesday 9th March 2021
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I have had my Miroku 6000 serviced and two new firing pins (lower one had definitely had it so chose to have both done while there). The shop tells me it's ready and it's £200. That sounds bloody steep to me - is it?

My MK38 service was £90 at a now-retired gunsmith though without pins.


zzrman

635 posts

189 months

Tuesday 9th March 2021
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tobinen said:
I have had my Miroku 6000 serviced and two new firing pins (lower one had definitely had it so chose to have both done while there). The shop tells me it's ready and it's £200. That sounds bloody steep to me - is it?

My MK38 service was £90 at a now-retired gunsmith though without pins.
You should ask for a breakdown, or ask another gun shop what it would cost for a service and replacement of firing pins.

tertius

6,857 posts

230 months

Tuesday 9th March 2021
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zzrman said:
tobinen said:
I have had my Miroku 6000 serviced and two new firing pins (lower one had definitely had it so chose to have both done while there). The shop tells me it's ready and it's £200. That sounds bloody steep to me - is it?

My MK38 service was £90 at a now-retired gunsmith though without pins.
You should ask for a breakdown, or ask another gun shop what it would cost for a service and replacement of firing pins.
A (very) quick Google suggests Miroku firing pins are c. £25-30 each, doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.

mickyh7

2,347 posts

86 months

Tuesday 9th March 2021
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tobinen said:
I have had my Miroku 6000 serviced and two new firing pins (lower one had definitely had it so chose to have both done while there). The shop tells me it's ready and it's £200. That sounds bloody steep to me - is it?

My MK38 service was £90 at a now-retired gunsmith though without pins.
I had 2 done on an AYA no 4
Appreciate its a sxs but there's a lot more work and skill involved.
It was £70 ? I'd be asking why so much.

tobinen

9,227 posts

145 months

Tuesday 9th March 2021
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tertius said:
A (very) quick Google suggests Miroku firing pins are c. £25-30 each, doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.
Fair enough put that way. I suppose it has done well for something I bought new in 1997-ish and it's never been serviced.

Johnspex

4,342 posts

184 months

Tuesday 9th March 2021
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FurtiveFreddy said:
Johnspex said:
I can't be the only person this happens to.

Very occasionally , when I've shot a round and rack the next one in I find, by the gun jamming, that something is a short way up the barrel. Investigation shows that only a part of the brass has been ejected, about a quarter of the length, and the rest is stuck. A bore snake usually gest the remainder out. When I rack the gun it doesn't feel any different when the bit of case stuck, I can't feel any resistance as the case tears.
Its a very neat tear, equal and square all round the circumference. All I get from members is 'never seen that before'.
Is it using brass that is too old, or is it something more sinister?
The gun is a Marlin 1894C. About 4 years old bought secondhand from a fellow member. It is always spotless.
Thanks for any help or advice you can give.
Well that's not going to happen to new brass, so it's almost certainly because it's too old.






Hi. Thanks for that. I do bin them quite frequently. I just hope its one or two that have been missed.
Thanks again.
TBH, for carbines and revolvers some reload until the brass splits and then just throw that one away and carry on with the rest.
It's not like full bore rifle reloading where you're trying to eek out every last bit of accuracy (and the pressures are a lot higher too) where a split case would be frowned upon.
Have a good look at the cases and see if you can see a ridge or thinner section of the brass. Run a bent paper clip down the inside to feel for irregularities.
If it was me and I didn't know the age of the brass, they'd all go in the bin.

Ziplobb

1,359 posts

284 months

Wednesday 10th March 2021
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tobinen said:
I have had my Miroku 6000 serviced and two new firing pins (lower one had definitely had it so chose to have both done while there). The shop tells me it's ready and it's £200. That sounds bloody steep to me - is it?

My MK38 service was £90 at a now-retired gunsmith though without pins.
depends
if they are vat registered £40 is vat . The pins from Browning I think are about £24 each trade plus vat. They are a lot more than you would think. Browning also charge £6 plus vat to send out a jiffy bag. I dont tend to hold parts in stock for the same reasons a mechanic would get stuff daily from a motor factor. If the gun has been stripped and cleaned and regulated (asembled and tested to ensure reliability) then its about right. You can pay a lot more than that it one of the 'premuim' gunshops. I sub out repairs as i am not a gunsmith so add a margin to what our gunsmiths charge but its not a huge one. Most shops now sub work out. Decent young gunsmiths are few and far between these days and their time is valuable if they know what they are doing.

tobinen

9,227 posts

145 months

Thursday 11th March 2021
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Thanks. I feel better now!

Not long now and I'll be giving it a go at the first opportunity

chemistry

2,151 posts

109 months

Monday 15th March 2021
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Not one for the purists, but work continues on a custom blue stock for my daughter’s Beretta.

She only shoots clays and teal/electric blue is her favourite colour (her compound bows are always the same shade too), so she’s not too worried about it being rather ‘non-traditional’.






mickyh7

2,347 posts

86 months

Monday 15th March 2021
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Nice job.
5k's worth of Walnut would have been better lol
Clever machines those.

Celtic Dragon

3,169 posts

235 months

Monday 15th March 2021
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Nothing wrong with that at all! If she loves it, that’s all that matters. A friend has the 525sl, I’d be tempted too if I could get one in red/ black.

944 Man

1,743 posts

132 months

Monday 15th March 2021
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Johnspex said:
I can't be the only person this happens to.

Very occasionally , when I've shot a round and rack the next one in I find, by the gun jamming, that something is a short way up the barrel. Investigation shows that only a part of the brass has been ejected, about a quarter of the length, and the rest is stuck. A bore snake usually gest the remainder out. When I rack the gun it doesn't feel any different when the bit of case stuck, I can't feel any resistance as the case tears.
Its a very neat tear, equal and square all round the circumference. All I get from members is 'never seen that before'.
Is it using brass that is too old, or is it something more sinister?
The gun is a Marlin 1894C. About 4 years old bought secondhand from a fellow member. It is always spotless.
Thanks for any help or advice you can give.
Headspace? Brownells sell ‘go’ and ‘no go’ gauges.

KingNothing

3,168 posts

153 months

Tuesday 16th March 2021
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andyb28 said:
Did anyone see the Blunderbuss on Antiques Roadshow yesterday?

It did make me wonder what the legality of it, along with the cross bow that fired a lead ball?
I am sure I read somewhere that the law was changing as criminals had started using old guns.
They're proposing to make firearms that use 7 specific calibres subject to licensing rather being classed as obsolete anymore. Which makes perfect sense; because I bet you can't move for the sheer numbers of gangsters running around with 147 year old 11mm M1873 French Ordnance Revolvers.

I didn't see it, but I'd imagine if it's an antique muzzle loading blunderbuss it's still exempt.

mickyh7

2,347 posts

86 months

Tuesday 16th March 2021
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KingNothing said:
They're proposing to make firearms that use 7 specific calibres subject to licensing rather being classed as obsolete anymore. Which makes perfect sense; because I bet you can't move for the sheer numbers of gangsters running around with 147 year old 11mm M1873 French Ordnance Revolvers.

I didn't see it, but I'd imagine if it's an antique muzzle loading blunderbuss it's still exempt.
You can hardly have an exempt muzzle loading blunderbuss.
It doesn't have a calibre as such like in pistols or rifles.
It doesnt need a specific round.
I could load it with a rag shot and powder.
Blow a head clean off.
Surly the action must have been drilled or welded?

KingNothing

3,168 posts

153 months

Tuesday 16th March 2021
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Would it’s age still not make it exempt regardless?

mickyh7

2,347 posts

86 months

Tuesday 16th March 2021
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KingNothing said:
Would it’s age still not make it exempt regardless?
I don't know.
But it would easily be fired.
Which would defeat all of the Laws.
Obsolete means there are no rounds available to fit the bore. Rifle or Pistol I would think.
A Blunderbuss is a Shotgun. Smooth bore.
Powder,shot and rags pushed down with a stick and it will work, so is a lethal weapon.

Ziplobb

1,359 posts

284 months

Tuesday 16th March 2021
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mickyh7 said:
You can hardly have an exempt muzzle loading blunderbuss.
It doesn't have a calibre as such like in pistols or rifles.
It doesnt need a specific round.
I could load it with a rag shot and powder.
Blow a head clean off.
Surly the action must have been drilled or welded?

It’s an antique so it’s outside a certificate unless one wants to fire it which is likely to pose all sort of risks