The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[chemistry]

Byker28i said:

Looks more like Barbury
Really impressed by how much work they've put in, adding new traps and equipment new clubhouse, shop. Some of the targets are still really hard to hit

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 19th May 10:11

It was indeed Barbury. You are right, they have certainly invested in the place in the last couple of years; it’s very good there now.

[aeropilot]

chemistry said:

Byker28i said:

Looks more like Barbury
Really impressed by how much work they've put in, adding new traps and equipment new clubhouse, shop. Some of the targets are still really hard to hit

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 19th May 10:11

It was indeed Barbury. You are right, they have certainly invested in the place in the last couple of years; it’s very good there now.

It was all part of being able to hold the British Open there last year.

I like Barbury, usually try and get down there a couple of times per year.

[Byker28i]

We use Barbury for odd shoots, in between going to Old Downs

[Thin White Duke]

Like most shooters I know about the upcoming ban on lead shot but haven't really delved into it.

All of my guns are steel shot proofed (even my budget .410 is). But one thing I can't find a definitive answer on is - how far will the ban go?

Is it just for live quarry shooting ie, game such as pheasants, grouse, rabbit etc? Will it include shooting vermin, such as rats, magpies or even foxes? Will it include clay pigeon shooting?

Some people have told me it's simply to stop lead getting into the food chain (so vermin and clay shooting would be fine), but others have said it's to stop lead getting into the environment full stop.

[aeropilot]

Thin White Duke said:

Is it just for live quarry shooting ie, game such as pheasants, grouse, rabbit etc? Will it include shooting vermin, such as rats, magpies or even foxes? Will it include clay pigeon shooting?

Yes, all types of shooting.

Even target shooting!

The implications are massive.

[200Plus Club]

.22 rimfire will be dead and buried going by the odd review you see of non toxic rounds. A shotgun groups better.
We shoot literally hundreds of rats with lead pellets too.
Massive problem looming.

[Turn7]

200Plus Club said:

.22 rimfire will be dead and buried going by the odd review you see of non toxic rounds. A shotgun groups better.
We shoot literally hundreds of rats with lead pellets too.
Massive problem looming.

Oh st, didnt realise the lead ban was across airguns as well.

[200Plus Club]

Turn7 said:

200Plus Club said:

.22 rimfire will be dead and buried going by the odd review you see of non toxic rounds. A shotgun groups better.
We shoot literally hundreds of rats with lead pellets too.
Massive problem looming.

Oh st, didnt realise the lead ban was across airguns as well.

Centrefire on rats at 20 yards is going to be expensive and a tad risky!
If there's an acceptable alternative made it would be easier but currently the few things I've seen in videos are terrible

[gotoPzero]

The lead ban is going to be the beginning of the end for target shooting IMHO.

A lot of people I shoot with have a lot of disposable income and can afford to continue but then again a lot don't.

Those that don't will just have to give it up.

Thats going to start the snowball effect of driving up club subs, ammo costs, fewer range officers to run shoots and increased repair costs on rifles.

As more and more people drop out its going to get more and more expensive to recover the lead and then the clubs will start to shut down.

[aeropilot]

gotoPzero said:

The lead ban is going to be the beginning of the end for target shooting IMHO.

A lot of people I shoot with have a lot of disposable income and can afford to continue but then again a lot don't.

Those that don't will just have to give it up.

Thats going to start the snowball effect of driving up club subs, ammo costs, fewer range officers to run shoots and increased repair costs on rifles.

As more and more people drop out its going to get more and more expensive to recover the lead and then the clubs will start to shut down.

Ammo costs and availability are already rocketed due to the political situation in the USA, and now the Ukraine war, and as there is effectively no longer any centre-fire commercial ammo manufacturing in the UK and now only one Govt one, the UK shooting community is pretty stuffed, even before this ban takes effect.

Govt have worked out that rather than ban guns and have to pay out thousands in compo, if they ban the ammo while citing that there are alternatives (they don't care the alternatives don't work) they they save a fortune on paying out compo, while in effect killing off shooting, as people will have guns that they can't get ammo for, and clubs will close, and you'll be forced to sell off now worthless guns as you can no longer meet the 'reason for possession'

[The Moose]

aeropilot said:

Ammo costs and availability are already rocketed due to the political situation in the USA, and now the Ukraine war, and as there is effectively no longer any centre-fire commercial ammo manufacturing in the UK and now only one Govt one, the UK shooting community is pretty stuffed, even before this ban takes effect.

Govt have worked out that rather than ban guns and have to pay out thousands in compo, if they ban the ammo while citing that there are alternatives (they don't care the alternatives don't work) they they save a fortune on paying out compo, while in effect killing off shooting, as people will have guns that they can't get ammo for, and clubs will close, and you'll be forced to sell off now worthless guns as you can no longer meet the 'reason for possession'

I don’t know whether or not you’re right about what the government is trying to do however people are surprised that a lot of people here in the US are so opposed to any regulation change - death by a thousand cuts.

[MKnight702]

The Moose said:

aeropilot said:

Ammo costs and availability are already rocketed due to the political situation in the USA, and now the Ukraine war, and as there is effectively no longer any centre-fire commercial ammo manufacturing in the UK and now only one Govt one, the UK shooting community is pretty stuffed, even before this ban takes effect.

Govt have worked out that rather than ban guns and have to pay out thousands in compo, if they ban the ammo while citing that there are alternatives (they don't care the alternatives don't work) they they save a fortune on paying out compo, while in effect killing off shooting, as people will have guns that they can't get ammo for, and clubs will close, and you'll be forced to sell off now worthless guns as you can no longer meet the 'reason for possession'

I don’t know whether or not you’re right about what the government is trying to do however people are surprised that a lot of people here in the US are so opposed to any regulation change - death by a thousand cuts.

Yep, the lead ban is nothing but a poorly disguised gun ban.

The majority of gun owners in the UK haven't realised the full impact of the proposals, so if this happens it is going to come as a very nasty shock to a lot of people. The biggest issue for us is that the world and their granny "knows" that lead is poisonous, despite lead shot not actually being the big problem that it is being made out to be. If it was really about lead causing health problems then the miles of lead water pipe still being used should be far higher up the priority list, the fact that this is being conveniently ignored tells you everything that you need to know about that.

[gotoPzero]

+1

[thismonkeyhere]

MKnight702 said:

Yep, the lead ban is nothing but a poorly disguised gun ban.

The majority of gun owners in the UK haven't realised the full impact of the proposals, so if this happens it is going to come as a very nasty shock to a lot of people. The biggest issue for us is that the world and their granny "knows" that lead is poisonous, despite lead shot not actually being the big problem that it is being made out to be. If it was really about lead causing health problems then the miles of lead water pipe still being used should be far higher up the priority list, the fact that this is being conveniently ignored tells you everything that you need to know about that.

There's a well publicised EFSA chart (which I have in front of me but can't post as my work pc won't let me) showing lead levels in foodstuffs. Game meat barely makes it onto the page. We should, apparently, be giving up milk, coffee, cereals, vegetable oils, rice, fish, nuts and leafy vegetables to name but a few, before we focus on the lead supposedly in game.

I for one am genuinely shocked that the organisations who many of us pay to represent our interests have rolled over so easily on this.

[aeropilot]

thismonkeyhere said:

I for one am genuinely shocked that the organisations who many of us pay to represent our interests have rolled over so easily on this.

I'm not shocked at all.

They all rolled over in 1988, 1997 and pretty much every time since then as well.

[thismonkeyhere]

aeropilot said:

thismonkeyhere said:

I for one am genuinely shocked that the organisations who many of us pay to represent our interests have rolled over so easily on this.

I'm not shocked at all.

They all rolled over in 1988, 1997 and pretty much every time since then as well.

'88 ?

I'm too young to remember what happened then

[aeropilot]

thismonkeyhere said:

aeropilot said:

thismonkeyhere said:

I for one am genuinely shocked that the organisations who many of us pay to represent our interests have rolled over so easily on this.

I'm not shocked at all.

They all rolled over in 1988, 1997 and pretty much every time since then as well.

'88 ?

I'm too young to remember what happened then

Centre-fire semi-auto ban after Hungerford in '87.

Edited by aeropilot on Monday 6th June 15:37

[thismonkeyhere]

aeropilot said:

thismonkeyhere said:

aeropilot said:

thismonkeyhere said:

I for one am genuinely shocked that the organisations who many of us pay to represent our interests have rolled over so easily on this.

I'm not shocked at all.

They all rolled over in 1988, 1997 and pretty much every time since then as well.

'88 ?

I'm too young to remember what happened then

Hungerford.

Ah, yes, of course.

[V41LEY]

MKnight702 said:

Yep, the lead ban is nothing but a poorly disguised gun ban.

The majority of gun owners in the UK haven't realised the full impact of the proposals, so if this happens it is going to come as a very nasty shock to a lot of people. The biggest issue for us is that the world and their granny "knows" that lead is poisonous, despite lead shot not actually being the big problem that it is being made out to be. If it was really about lead causing health problems then the miles of lead water pipe still being used should be far higher up the priority list, the fact that this is being conveniently ignored tells you everything that you need to know about that.

I take that point but I think it is the ‘image’ of shooting (game in my case) and our representatives ie BASC, showing a concern for the environment and it’s lobbyists and showing the country we ‘get it’ so as to protect shooting in the long run - whether you agree or not.

[aeropilot]

V41LEY said:

MKnight702 said:

Yep, the lead ban is nothing but a poorly disguised gun ban.

The majority of gun owners in the UK haven't realised the full impact of the proposals, so if this happens it is going to come as a very nasty shock to a lot of people. The biggest issue for us is that the world and their granny "knows" that lead is poisonous, despite lead shot not actually being the big problem that it is being made out to be. If it was really about lead causing health problems then the miles of lead water pipe still being used should be far higher up the priority list, the fact that this is being conveniently ignored tells you everything that you need to know about that.

I take that point but I think it is the ‘image’ of shooting (game in my case) and our representatives ie BASC, showing a concern for the environment and it’s lobbyists and showing the country we ‘get it’ so as to protect shooting in the long run - whether you agree or not.

I can sort of get the issue around game shooting, and trying to stop lead getting into the food chain.........*IF* the evidence shows that is a serious problem.
BUT..... pest control, and especially target shooting into what are controlled butts (where the lead can even be recycled) just shows plain ignorance, stupidity and highlights a 'lets ban everything mentality'.