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Sounds great mate, I can imagine you can learn so much just by conversing with someone at that level, £60 seems very reasonable for Cheryl!
I've dropped an email to an instructor I found through the CPSA / ICSI sites, he teaches at a few of the grounds within ~30 mins of me so that'd give me options of where to shoot.. I'll see what he comes back with.
I've dropped an email to an instructor I found through the CPSA / ICSI sites, he teaches at a few of the grounds within ~30 mins of me so that'd give me options of where to shoot.. I'll see what he comes back with.
MB140 said:
My Mrs pays £60 (I think) an hour for Cheryl Hall. Which if you look at her CV is very reasonable.
The thing my Mrs really likes about her is that it’s not just a physical technique teaching she does. A lot of what she teaches is mental and analytical.
It’s quite interesting I sat and had about 45mins conversation in the club house with Cheryl after my wife’s 2 hour lesson. Just a general chin wag over a brew. I’d have paid her just for that. She was explaining about how in her mind every single target is rated 1 to 4, depending upon distance, speed, target type, angle and a few other criteria. From this grading she effectively has her starting point for lead and where to kill the target. It was amazing to sit and listen to someone who shoots high 90s about how she mentally approaches every target.
The hardest part of shooting a shotgun is placing the gun in the shoulder in the correct place time after time, this can be practised at home for free. Then sight pictures need to be learnt, a skeet layout is ideal as the angels are varied, it takes a while to get used to a gun as well.The thing my Mrs really likes about her is that it’s not just a physical technique teaching she does. A lot of what she teaches is mental and analytical.
It’s quite interesting I sat and had about 45mins conversation in the club house with Cheryl after my wife’s 2 hour lesson. Just a general chin wag over a brew. I’d have paid her just for that. She was explaining about how in her mind every single target is rated 1 to 4, depending upon distance, speed, target type, angle and a few other criteria. From this grading she effectively has her starting point for lead and where to kill the target. It was amazing to sit and listen to someone who shoots high 90s about how she mentally approaches every target.
I think that a lesson with Cheryl is excellent value for money, especially if you are lucky enough to sit down with her and discuss the mental apptitude as that's where the best shots excel.
Old Fart said:
The hardest part of shooting a shotgun is placing the gun in the shoulder in the correct place time after time, this can be practised at home for free. Then sight pictures need to be learnt, a skeet layout is ideal as the angels are varied, it takes a while to get used to a gun as well.
I think that a lesson with Cheryl is excellent value for money, especially if you are lucky enough to sit down with her and discuss the mental apptitude as that's where the best shots excel.
Strange you should mention consistent gun mount. It was one of the things Cheryl picked up within seeing my wife fire 10 shots. Inconsistent gun mount. I think that a lesson with Cheryl is excellent value for money, especially if you are lucky enough to sit down with her and discuss the mental apptitude as that's where the best shots excel.
It was actually one of the most beneficial things Cheryl taught my wife. A method/routine for getting a consistent gun mount. Starting from the moment you enter the firing position. My wife now has a fixed routine that is repeated every time. Ensure the feet are correct. The gun will be mounted correctly.
Went out this morning for a quick go on the Compak, it was roughly the same layout as before, I think the back two crossing targets were higher / further though.. Only hit 12/25, so had another go and hit 14/25. Still not as good as my first time which was a 15, but that puts my average at 55% which isn't terrible
We went out to Nuthampstead this morning for some more Olympic Trap practice for the boy. He’s come away disappointed and frustrated as he didn’t shoot that well today.
It’s hard - we’ll get back there again soon and put it behind him.
Also getting some pierced primers on a batch of Eley Select we have - weird, we put a 100 plus Olympic Blues through his gun last week with no issues so I presume it’s the batch of Selects we have.
It’s hard - we’ll get back there again soon and put it behind him.
Also getting some pierced primers on a batch of Eley Select we have - weird, we put a 100 plus Olympic Blues through his gun last week with no issues so I presume it’s the batch of Selects we have.
LivingTheDream said:
We went out to Nuthampstead this morning for some more Olympic Trap practice for the boy. He’s come away disappointed and frustrated as he didn’t shoot that well today.
It’s hard - we’ll get back there again soon and put it behind him.
Also getting some pierced primers on a batch of Eley Select we have - weird, we put a 100 plus Olympic Blues through his gun last week with no issues so I presume it’s the batch of Selects we have.
Who's coaching him?It’s hard - we’ll get back there again soon and put it behind him.
Also getting some pierced primers on a batch of Eley Select we have - weird, we put a 100 plus Olympic Blues through his gun last week with no issues so I presume it’s the batch of Selects we have.
Had a decent day at Catton Hall yesterday including hitting quite a few pairs I didn't think were possible.
Then my gun fell out of the slip onto the floor.
Arse.
Stronk Soviet Timber comrade!
Luckily it seems there's nothing structural about the split piece so hopefully a bit of strong wood glue will suffice
Then my gun fell out of the slip onto the floor.
Arse.
Stronk Soviet Timber comrade!
Luckily it seems there's nothing structural about the split piece so hopefully a bit of strong wood glue will suffice
Is anybody shooting the Yildiz pro black? I have been shooting clay's for around 8 months and own a 687 silver pigeon 2008.It is a game gun.
It is a great gun but as always for a new shooter I am looking at the next gun. I have a few in mind for a dedicated clay gun but I keep looking at the Yildiz as the value and reviews seems exceptional for the price.
Other guns I have considered are the 694, Blaser F16 and CG Invictus but if I can save a couple of K on the Yildiz I will as my skill levels wont match the new gun.
I have shot a Browning 525 and I didn't gel with it, so I am ruling a Browning and Miroku out.
It is a great gun but as always for a new shooter I am looking at the next gun. I have a few in mind for a dedicated clay gun but I keep looking at the Yildiz as the value and reviews seems exceptional for the price.
Other guns I have considered are the 694, Blaser F16 and CG Invictus but if I can save a couple of K on the Yildiz I will as my skill levels wont match the new gun.
I have shot a Browning 525 and I didn't gel with it, so I am ruling a Browning and Miroku out.
I owned a Yildiz for a short time, I thought it would be a back up gun but it wasn't for me to be honest. Stock finish was quite poor and rubbed off, recoil was quite heavy for me even with 24gm cartridges.
Extra chokes are cheap at £25 for factory extended though.
If you fancy a very well engineered gun for not a lot of money have a look at a Zoli Kronos, they have a poor used value s/hand for reasons going back years but they are a premium piece of kit.
Extra chokes are cheap at £25 for factory extended though.
If you fancy a very well engineered gun for not a lot of money have a look at a Zoli Kronos, they have a poor used value s/hand for reasons going back years but they are a premium piece of kit.
Chuffedmonkey said:
Other guns I have considered are the 694, Blaser F16 and CG Invictus but if I can save a couple of K on the Yildiz I will as my skill levels wont match the new gun. .
Why do you think your current skill won't match a better gun? I'd have thought the opposite - get a secondhand, mid-range gun (perhaps with an adjustable stock) and you may find that the better balance/handling, trigger, adjustability, etc. improves your shooting. chemistry said:
Chuffedmonkey said:
Other guns I have considered are the 694, Blaser F16 and CG Invictus but if I can save a couple of K on the Yildiz I will as my skill levels wont match the new gun. .
Why do you think your current skill won't match a better gun? I'd have thought the opposite - get a secondhand, mid-range gun (perhaps with an adjustable stock) and you may find that the better balance/handling, trigger, adjustability, etc. improves your shooting. This happened with a fellow club member in a group.
We kept telling him that his cheap used starter gun was probably now holding him back, as it really didn't fit him that well, plus it was an older 28" fixed choke etc.,etc.
After 18 months of, no, no I don't need a more expensive gun....... he finally tried a few others out at another ground with attached shop, and ended up buying a Blaser, which was an almost new ex-demo gun they had for sale, and within 3 months of getting used to it, he's now moved up 2 grades already, and out scoring everyone else in the group and wishes he's listened to everyone earlier. He enjoying himself even more now.
Totally agree about buying a decent gun, better trigger pulls, better balance, just easier to shoot.
I bought a Blaser F3 when they just came in a cardboard box with a choice of two chokes, I used to have to carry a rubber headed small hammer to open it as the bite was very tight. A visit to Alan Rhones sorted it out with some careful filing by Erwin.
The bite is now 12 degrees now on a Blaser and they are a much better gun now until the ribs fall off. If you have very sweaty hands the salt marks the receiver too.
When I bought mine it was the same price as a Beretta 682.
Rhone then later had the franchise and every thing changed the gun was sold with a hard case and five Briley extended chokes just as they are now and the price went up by nearly £1000 extra but his service was excellent if you ever neede it.
I bought a Blaser F3 when they just came in a cardboard box with a choice of two chokes, I used to have to carry a rubber headed small hammer to open it as the bite was very tight. A visit to Alan Rhones sorted it out with some careful filing by Erwin.
The bite is now 12 degrees now on a Blaser and they are a much better gun now until the ribs fall off. If you have very sweaty hands the salt marks the receiver too.
When I bought mine it was the same price as a Beretta 682.
Rhone then later had the franchise and every thing changed the gun was sold with a hard case and five Briley extended chokes just as they are now and the price went up by nearly £1000 extra but his service was excellent if you ever neede it.
Edited by Old Fart on Friday 17th February 19:12
I would also agree about getting the better gun - you’ll be happier with it and it will be a better investment.
Of the other three you are considering:
1. the Beretta- I’ve never really got on with any Beretta so can’t comment
2. The CG - I had a CG Maxum for a while - it looked absolutely lovely, but for some reason I just didn’t gel with it and moved it on fairly quickly
3. Blaser F16 - I looked at these and really liked them except that the palm swell felt very big in my hand. I think this is fairly easy to fix, but as I was looking at new I didn’t want to buy a new gun to them have to buy immediately start modifying it
I ended up buying a used Blaser F3 and am extremely happy with it. Mine is a very early gun with no case but has five chokes. It has been back to Mulliners for a full service including new firing pins and springs, new bottom bite and it’s shooting beautifully now.
I think my advice would be to see if you can properly try any gun before you buy and spend a good long time considering a gun before you do buy. Also, like cars, I would say secondhand every time.
Of the other three you are considering:
1. the Beretta- I’ve never really got on with any Beretta so can’t comment
2. The CG - I had a CG Maxum for a while - it looked absolutely lovely, but for some reason I just didn’t gel with it and moved it on fairly quickly
3. Blaser F16 - I looked at these and really liked them except that the palm swell felt very big in my hand. I think this is fairly easy to fix, but as I was looking at new I didn’t want to buy a new gun to them have to buy immediately start modifying it
I ended up buying a used Blaser F3 and am extremely happy with it. Mine is a very early gun with no case but has five chokes. It has been back to Mulliners for a full service including new firing pins and springs, new bottom bite and it’s shooting beautifully now.
I think my advice would be to see if you can properly try any gun before you buy and spend a good long time considering a gun before you do buy. Also, like cars, I would say secondhand every time.
Regarding the F16, I've had mates buy them but I think they are more like a game gun and as their main shooting was clays they went over to the F3.
I know of two blokes who bought the F3 Vantage, the one with the raised rib. Both of them found it very different to shoot to a normal gun. One of them traded it an F3 and the other bought a Miroku.
It's difficult to find a gun which suits you, I tried a lot of different brands and my favourite gun now is a Beretta AL391 Gold the field model. It's 20 years old and I bought it last year for £750 it's nearly mint.
To get it to feel "right" for me a lump of lead went into the stock and a Briley fore-end cap replaced the Beretta one. The trigger has been sorted too. It weighes 7lb10 oz and it's so smooth to shoot.
It's fitted with a hard rubber recoil pad as I've found that if you put a micro pad or a simliar soft pad on more recoil is transmitited to your shoulder.
Oh, and I bought a telescopic magnet too.
I know of two blokes who bought the F3 Vantage, the one with the raised rib. Both of them found it very different to shoot to a normal gun. One of them traded it an F3 and the other bought a Miroku.
It's difficult to find a gun which suits you, I tried a lot of different brands and my favourite gun now is a Beretta AL391 Gold the field model. It's 20 years old and I bought it last year for £750 it's nearly mint.
To get it to feel "right" for me a lump of lead went into the stock and a Briley fore-end cap replaced the Beretta one. The trigger has been sorted too. It weighes 7lb10 oz and it's so smooth to shoot.
It's fitted with a hard rubber recoil pad as I've found that if you put a micro pad or a simliar soft pad on more recoil is transmitited to your shoulder.
Oh, and I bought a telescopic magnet too.
Edited by Old Fart on Friday 17th February 20:16
I tried an F16 when I was looking for a new gun last year. I couldn't really gel with it, it felt like no other gun I'd ever handled and despite having 32" barrels and extended chokes it felt like a 26" game gun to handle and swing.
The F3 is leagues apart in feel and cost. Closer to Krieghoff in both aspects.
Settled on a Browning ProSport as I like a beefy and heavy gun to slow and control the swing on them long, slow crossing targets.
The F3 is leagues apart in feel and cost. Closer to Krieghoff in both aspects.
Settled on a Browning ProSport as I like a beefy and heavy gun to slow and control the swing on them long, slow crossing targets.
I'm on the lookout for a new O/U sporting clay gun. I just can't make up my mind.
I have a CG at the moment but just haven't gotten on with it. Nothing wrong with the gun itself, we're just not compatible.
I'm also no fan of palm swells, but it seems that most guns seem to have them now.
The gun I've shot best with was a Winchester SX3 Red Performance. I like a semi auto, it fit me correctly and had a very neutral stock. I'm currently using a Beretta field semi auto for most of my shooting.
I'm also not a fan of big beefy guns.
I have a CG at the moment but just haven't gotten on with it. Nothing wrong with the gun itself, we're just not compatible.
I'm also no fan of palm swells, but it seems that most guns seem to have them now.
The gun I've shot best with was a Winchester SX3 Red Performance. I like a semi auto, it fit me correctly and had a very neutral stock. I'm currently using a Beretta field semi auto for most of my shooting.
I'm also not a fan of big beefy guns.
Well great day at the shooting show. My farther in law picked up his first gun having got his license a few weeks ago. A nice condition 525SL (silver laminate), not really to my taste but he likes the look and feel of them having shot one during his lessons.
Wife and I both picked up some CFG ear protection. The stand was mobbed but even then we only had to wait about 5 mins. They even managed to do a mild for my wife who has some piercings and bars in her ears.
Reference lead times. Speaking to the owner and his dad. They have been inundated with orders. There currently running at 6-8 weeks.
I was a bit disappointed that we couldn’t order direct from fiocchi. We were going to order 10,000 cartridges from them. With the rate they’re going up monthly at the moment and the fact our shooting club can’t even get hold of them at the moment I saw it as a way to save some funds long term and secure a supply. Might have to try the fiocchi TT at this rate.
Wife and I both picked up some CFG ear protection. The stand was mobbed but even then we only had to wait about 5 mins. They even managed to do a mild for my wife who has some piercings and bars in her ears.
Reference lead times. Speaking to the owner and his dad. They have been inundated with orders. There currently running at 6-8 weeks.
I was a bit disappointed that we couldn’t order direct from fiocchi. We were going to order 10,000 cartridges from them. With the rate they’re going up monthly at the moment and the fact our shooting club can’t even get hold of them at the moment I saw it as a way to save some funds long term and secure a supply. Might have to try the fiocchi TT at this rate.
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