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MKnight702 said:
aeropilot said:
AndyAudi said:
200Plus Club said:
Anyone really surprised that the police have a case to answer?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-646749...
It really got my back up when watching the news tonight that the inquest jury said there had been a "catastrophic failure" at Devon and Cornwall Police. & then the chief constable’s response was a call for “changes in national firearms licensing policy”https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-646749...
Every time there are calls for additional laws to combat firearms crime I would first like to see an analysis of just how the existing laws, if correctly applied, failed to prevent the crime. Asking for more laws to the detriment of the unprotected minority that we are members of, purely to prove that "we are doing something" or to deflect from Police failings is outrageous but unfortunately the general populace seem to fall for it every time. Partly assisted by the media who IMO seem to be rabidly anti gun.
However, they will try to do it by means now that doesn't involve costing money in compensation, as they've realised how expense that is becoming.
Its why the lead ban is being done the way it is, and being driven by H&S and Eco reasons rather than a firearm ban.
You're not wrong with what you are saying, the Gov't have never wanted for individuals to be armed. I've read the the Firearms Act once and it's all take this then that.
I just shoot shotguns now and I think that lead will be removed but when? I just shoot at clay grounds and I don't know why that cannot carry on using lead but even the CPSA are encouraging steel.
I lost all my pistols after Dunblane then tried muzzle loading pistol but they use lead, target air pistol, lead again, .22 shooters lead again. it's doom and gloom.
I first started shooting in 1982 and I've enjoyed it and still do, but the future who knows?
I just shoot shotguns now and I think that lead will be removed but when? I just shoot at clay grounds and I don't know why that cannot carry on using lead but even the CPSA are encouraging steel.
I lost all my pistols after Dunblane then tried muzzle loading pistol but they use lead, target air pistol, lead again, .22 shooters lead again. it's doom and gloom.
I first started shooting in 1982 and I've enjoyed it and still do, but the future who knows?
Old Fart said:
I lost all my pistols after Dunblane then tried muzzle loading pistol but they use lead, target air pistol, lead again, .22 shooters lead again. it's doom and gloom.
Yep.Plus all the rifle clubs that shoot on MOD ranges, will no longer be able to, as MOD/Landmark have stated that non-lead ammo will not be allowed on MOD ranges, which will kill off many clubs, as you'll only be able to use Bisley (but technically this is still MOD land so who knows!) and privately owned commercial ranges, of which there are precious few around the UK.
aeropilot said:
Old Fart said:
I lost all my pistols after Dunblane then tried muzzle loading pistol but they use lead, target air pistol, lead again, .22 shooters lead again. it's doom and gloom.
Yep.Plus all the rifle clubs that shoot on MOD ranges, will no longer be able to, as MOD/Landmark have stated that non-lead ammo will not be allowed on MOD ranges, which will kill off many clubs, as you'll only be able to use Bisley (but technically this is still MOD land so who knows!) and privately owned commercial ranges, of which there are precious few around the UK.
My biggest worry for all shooting is after the shooting in Plymouth that some individuals are wanting all Sec;2 shotguns to be classed as Sec;1.
That will finish shooting as we know it.
What will BASC or the CPSA do to fight back?
This organisation is the body which is meant to oversee all all the different types of shooter in the UK. How many shooters out there know about it?
http://www.bssc.org.uk/
That will finish shooting as we know it.
What will BASC or the CPSA do to fight back?
This organisation is the body which is meant to oversee all all the different types of shooter in the UK. How many shooters out there know about it?
http://www.bssc.org.uk/
aeropilot said:
Yep.
Plus all the rifle clubs that shoot on MOD ranges, will no longer be able to, as MOD/Landmark have stated that non-lead ammo will not be allowed on MOD ranges, which will kill off many clubs, as you'll only be able to use Bisley (but technically this is still MOD land so who knows!) and privately owned commercial ranges, of which there are precious few around the UK.
Just FYI as it’s not well known. My shotgun club Orston Shooting Ground have had approval for three rifle ranges (200m, 400m and 800m I think, but don’t quote me on the lengths) I know the head groundsman Paul and they are starting construction shortly (next month depending on weather) Plus all the rifle clubs that shoot on MOD ranges, will no longer be able to, as MOD/Landmark have stated that non-lead ammo will not be allowed on MOD ranges, which will kill off many clubs, as you'll only be able to use Bisley (but technically this is still MOD land so who knows!) and privately owned commercial ranges, of which there are precious few around the UK.
Turn7 said:
aeropilot said:
Old Fart said:
I lost all my pistols after Dunblane then tried muzzle loading pistol but they use lead, target air pistol, lead again, .22 shooters lead again. it's doom and gloom.
Yep.Plus all the rifle clubs that shoot on MOD ranges, will no longer be able to, as MOD/Landmark have stated that non-lead ammo will not be allowed on MOD ranges, which will kill off many clubs, as you'll only be able to use Bisley (but technically this is still MOD land so who knows!) and privately owned commercial ranges, of which there are precious few around the UK.
Military and Police will be exempt from the lead ban.
MB140 said:
aeropilot said:
Yep.
Plus all the rifle clubs that shoot on MOD ranges, will no longer be able to, as MOD/Landmark have stated that non-lead ammo will not be allowed on MOD ranges, which will kill off many clubs, as you'll only be able to use Bisley (but technically this is still MOD land so who knows!) and privately owned commercial ranges, of which there are precious few around the UK.
Just FYI as it’s not well known. My shotgun club Orston Shooting Ground have had approval for three rifle ranges (200m, 400m and 800m I think, but don’t quote me on the lengths) I know the head groundsman Paul and they are starting construction shortly (next month depending on weather) Plus all the rifle clubs that shoot on MOD ranges, will no longer be able to, as MOD/Landmark have stated that non-lead ammo will not be allowed on MOD ranges, which will kill off many clubs, as you'll only be able to use Bisley (but technically this is still MOD land so who knows!) and privately owned commercial ranges, of which there are precious few around the UK.
Lovely morning shoot today at Lea Marston near Birmingham, great weather for it. We shot the 12 stand sporting and did a round on the Compak.
Only one slightly annoying thing and to be fair, the first 'd
head' thing I've encountered since starting shooting..
At LM, the sporting stands are enclosed, like walk-in sheds with big barrel bins for spent cartridges. There was a group of I think 4 or 5 older guys also doing the round, and they were a couple of stands ahead of us, so we were following them round.
One of the chaps had a semi-auto, so the spent shells eject out of the side. But rather then picking any up, opted to just leave them all over the floor of the stands.. It's a really tidy and well-kept ground too, so it's not even as if they were adding to existing mess, they were the only empty shells in any of the stands (blue Hull Superfast) and when we skipped a stand to move ahead of the group, saw it was those that were flying out (quite a few were just falling the grass in front of the stand when he leaned out for some shots).
We picked them all up and put them in the bin at each stand, but it just struck me as a proper ahole attitude to have, both to the ground and people that keep it tidy, and to the two of us, who they were fully aware were shooting the stand right after them 
Only one slightly annoying thing and to be fair, the first 'd
head' thing I've encountered since starting shooting..At LM, the sporting stands are enclosed, like walk-in sheds with big barrel bins for spent cartridges. There was a group of I think 4 or 5 older guys also doing the round, and they were a couple of stands ahead of us, so we were following them round.
One of the chaps had a semi-auto, so the spent shells eject out of the side. But rather then picking any up, opted to just leave them all over the floor of the stands.. It's a really tidy and well-kept ground too, so it's not even as if they were adding to existing mess, they were the only empty shells in any of the stands (blue Hull Superfast) and when we skipped a stand to move ahead of the group, saw it was those that were flying out (quite a few were just falling the grass in front of the stand when he leaned out for some shots).
We picked them all up and put them in the bin at each stand, but it just struck me as a proper a
hole attitude to have, both to the ground and people that keep it tidy, and to the two of us, who they were fully aware were shooting the stand right after them 
smithyithy said:
One of the chaps had a semi-auto, so the spent shells eject out of the side. But rather then picking any up, opted to just leave them all over the floor of the stands.. It's a really tidy and well-kept ground too, so it's not even as if they were adding to existing mess, they were the only empty shells in any of the stands (blue Hull Superfast) and when we skipped a stand to move ahead of the group, saw it was those that were flying out (quite a few were just falling the grass in front of the stand when he leaned out for some shots).
We picked them all up and put them in the bin at each stand, but it just struck me as a proper ahole attitude to have, both to the ground and people that keep it tidy, and to the two of us, who they were fully aware were shooting the stand right after them
All too common I'm afraid.We picked them all up and put them in the bin at each stand, but it just struck me as a proper a
hole attitude to have, both to the ground and people that keep it tidy, and to the two of us, who they were fully aware were shooting the stand right after them aeropilot said:
All too common I'm afraid.
When I started shooting in the 1980's there was no such things as bins, everyones empties were just left on the ground, any old photos at a trap competition will show a carpet of cases, happy days.
Edited by Old Fart on Thursday 23 February 20:13
smithyithy said:
One of the chaps had a semi-auto, so the spent shells eject out of the side. But rather then picking any up, opted to just leave them all over the floor of the stands.. It's a really tidy and well-kept ground too, so it's not even as if they were adding to existing mess, they were the only empty shells in any of the stands (blue Hull Superfast) and when we skipped a stand to move ahead of the group, saw it was those that were flying out (quite a few were just falling the grass in front of the stand when he leaned out for some shots).
We picked them all up and put them in the bin at each stand, but it just struck me as a proper ahole attitude to have, both to the ground and people that keep it tidy, and to the two of us, who they were fully aware were shooting the stand right after them
It can be a tricky one. I often shoot with a semi auto and will always pick up empty shells that fall within the stand/cage or whatever. We picked them all up and put them in the bin at each stand, but it just struck me as a proper a
hole attitude to have, both to the ground and people that keep it tidy, and to the two of us, who they were fully aware were shooting the stand right after them However (and it was more the case with my old Winchester semi, which flung the shells at least 10 feet) often shells will fly beyond the stand, into long grass, undergrowth etc and getting to them even with a magnetic stick may not be practical. You may have to venture into an unsafe area to retrieve them.
The grounds I shoot at don't bother about spent shells from semis. If I use an O/U I always catch the shells and put them in the bin.
I have seen plenty of O/U or SBS shooters break their guns, let the shells fly out and then just ignore them. It's not a problem exclusive to semi auto users.
Remington came out with a semi auto that ejected the shells underneath, an idea which never seemed to catch on.
Oh yeah it wasn't specifically that it was a semi auto, that was just something I noticed as I don't think I've seen one being shot at my local ground before so it was just something new to see the side ejector in action.
It actually looks quite cool when they fly out automatically, but if they're landing inside the stand, same as firing them out of an O/U, just pick the buggers up where it's practical to do so
Anyway it didn't spoil the day at all. I shot a ~50% across the sporting and about the same on the compak which seemed decent considering I'm not really used to the targets. I was mainly just trying to practice 'the method' that I was taught on my previous lesson - pick-up point, hold point, kill point...
My local ground are doing clay snooker Saturday / Sunday so we're gonna give that a go too. We picked up 1000 cartridges this morning, but I'm back at uni next week so may not be able to shoot every weekend once assignments start piling up..
It actually looks quite cool when they fly out automatically, but if they're landing inside the stand, same as firing them out of an O/U, just pick the buggers up where it's practical to do so
Anyway it didn't spoil the day at all. I shot a ~50% across the sporting and about the same on the compak which seemed decent considering I'm not really used to the targets. I was mainly just trying to practice 'the method' that I was taught on my previous lesson - pick-up point, hold point, kill point...
My local ground are doing clay snooker Saturday / Sunday so we're gonna give that a go too. We picked up 1000 cartridges this morning, but I'm back at uni next week so may not be able to shoot every weekend once assignments start piling up..
smithyithy said:
Oh yeah it wasn't specifically that it was a semi auto, that was just something I noticed as I don't think I've seen one being shot at my local ground before so it was just something new to see the side ejector in action.
It actually looks quite cool when they fly out automatically, but if they're landing inside the stand, same as firing them out of an O/U, just pick the buggers up where it's practical to do so
Anyway it didn't spoil the day at all. I shot a ~50% across the sporting and about the same on the compak which seemed decent considering I'm not really used to the targets. I was mainly just trying to practice 'the method' that I was taught on my previous lesson - pick-up point, hold point, kill point...
My local ground are doing clay snooker Saturday / Sunday so we're gonna give that a go too. We picked up 1000 cartridges this morning, but I'm back at uni next week so may not be able to shoot every weekend once assignments start piling up..
It actually looks quite cool when they fly out automatically, but if they're landing inside the stand, same as firing them out of an O/U, just pick the buggers up where it's practical to do so
Anyway it didn't spoil the day at all. I shot a ~50% across the sporting and about the same on the compak which seemed decent considering I'm not really used to the targets. I was mainly just trying to practice 'the method' that I was taught on my previous lesson - pick-up point, hold point, kill point...
My local ground are doing clay snooker Saturday / Sunday so we're gonna give that a go too. We picked up 1000 cartridges this morning, but I'm back at uni next week so may not be able to shoot every weekend once assignments start piling up..
Have you tried maintained lead? I use this method quite a lot or just shoot where the clay's going to, it's quite easy to do.
smithyithy said:
Oh yeah it wasn't specifically that it was a semi auto, that was just something I noticed as I don't think I've seen one being shot at my local ground before so it was just something new to see the side ejector in action.
It actually looks quite cool when they fly out automatically, but if they're landing inside the stand, same as firing them out of an O/U, just pick the buggers up where it's practical to do so
Anyway it didn't spoil the day at all. I shot a ~50% across the sporting and about the same on the compak which seemed decent considering I'm not really used to the targets. I was mainly just trying to practice 'the method' that I was taught on my previous lesson - pick-up point, hold point, kill point...
My local ground are doing clay snooker Saturday / Sunday so we're gonna give that a go too. We picked up 1000 cartridges this morning, but I'm back at uni next week so may not be able to shoot every weekend once assignments start piling up..
One thing which sometimes "adds" to the experience of using a semi auto is when a spent shell bounces off the stand and hits you on the head. It can distract you from your second shot - at least that's my excuse when I miss!It actually looks quite cool when they fly out automatically, but if they're landing inside the stand, same as firing them out of an O/U, just pick the buggers up where it's practical to do so
Anyway it didn't spoil the day at all. I shot a ~50% across the sporting and about the same on the compak which seemed decent considering I'm not really used to the targets. I was mainly just trying to practice 'the method' that I was taught on my previous lesson - pick-up point, hold point, kill point...
My local ground are doing clay snooker Saturday / Sunday so we're gonna give that a go too. We picked up 1000 cartridges this morning, but I'm back at uni next week so may not be able to shoot every weekend once assignments start piling up..
I see that the Guardian (I know, who would have believed it?) are reporting that "UK Shooting lobby to fight demands to tighten shotgun ownership rules". Linky
I mean why on earth wouldn't we protest at being blamed and punished for catastrophic failures by the Police?
Show me how, had the current legislation been applied properly, this would have still occurred and then we can talk about changing the current legislation, otherwise, shouldn't we be asking difficult questions of the Plymouth Police Authority, not trying to deflect the blame onto the unprotected minority?
I mean why on earth wouldn't we protest at being blamed and punished for catastrophic failures by the Police?
Show me how, had the current legislation been applied properly, this would have still occurred and then we can talk about changing the current legislation, otherwise, shouldn't we be asking difficult questions of the Plymouth Police Authority, not trying to deflect the blame onto the unprotected minority?
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