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JuniorD said:
Clearly these particuar Astana guys are sticking with the old-school doping practices and not getting with the times.
I think its the sort of genius plan that only the likes of Vino could conjure up..... load up your domestiques with EPO, let them smash the peloton to bits before they reach the mountains and then leave it to your GC man (who is clean) to take the victory.... bwahzx hazx hazx hazx.... (as they say in Kazakhstan)pablo said:
I think its the sort of genius plan that only the likes of Vino could conjure up..... load up your domestiques with EPO, let them smash the peloton to bits before they reach the mountains and then leave it to your GC man (who is clean) to take the victory.... bwahzx hazx hazx hazx.... (as they say in Kazakhstan)
Grandfondo said:
Did anyone see the graph of climbing speeds in the grand tours of Horner Nibali Froome and Contador?
I can't find where I saw it but it made interesting stats?
This may be of interest to you.I can't find where I saw it but it made interesting stats?
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/10/vuelta-a-espana-...
mcelliott said:
Grandfondo said:
Did anyone see the graph of climbing speeds in the grand tours of Horner Nibali Froome and Contador?
I can't find where I saw it but it made interesting stats?
This may be of interest to you.I can't find where I saw it but it made interesting stats?
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/10/vuelta-a-espana-...
What do you think of Horners stats?
Grandfondo said:
mcelliott said:
Grandfondo said:
Did anyone see the graph of climbing speeds in the grand tours of Horner Nibali Froome and Contador?
I can't find where I saw it but it made interesting stats?
This may be of interest to you.I can't find where I saw it but it made interesting stats?
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/10/vuelta-a-espana-...
What do you think of Horners stats?
mcelliott said:
I don't profess to be an expert in the numbers game but I would say that they are venturing into the realms of barely believable. He's also a grand tour winner who can't find a team at the moment...
I would love to think that cycling has moved on from the bad old days but to be honest I just think avoiding being caught has moved on! 
Great win by Dan Martin yesterday, He finished the season well after an awful start. It's also a fitting end to Garmin-Sharp.
I would have liked valverde to have won yesterday's race, he's been so close this season to many major wins. I can't fault the man's desire to win everything - I like his work ethic
Also worth mentioning that it was Cadel Evans last major race. Hats off to that man he's had a good career and it's been great watching him race over the years. I'm sure he'll be back helping to run one of the pro teams.
Was also surprised to see kwiatkowski 'lock up' so bad.. must have been extremely painful for that to happen.
I would have liked valverde to have won yesterday's race, he's been so close this season to many major wins. I can't fault the man's desire to win everything - I like his work ethic
Also worth mentioning that it was Cadel Evans last major race. Hats off to that man he's had a good career and it's been great watching him race over the years. I'm sure he'll be back helping to run one of the pro teams.
Was also surprised to see kwiatkowski 'lock up' so bad.. must have been extremely painful for that to happen.
Dr Imran T said:
I would have liked valverde to have won yesterday's race, he's been so close this season to many major wins. I can't fault the man's desire to win everything - I like his work ethic
Seriously? Another un-repentant Spanish doper. Not much to admire there from my perspective.Personally I am always a bit pleased when he fails to win something.
blade runner said:
Seriously? Another un-repentant Spanish doper. Not much to admire there from my perspective.
Personally I am always a bit pleased when he fails to win something.
I know he is an ex-doper etc and therefore will always divide opinion. I quite like him though - he's always up for a fight Valverde and I enjoy watching him race. Personally I am always a bit pleased when he fails to win something.
6 times on the podium at the worlds for him - I thought this year was his time. He seems upbeat even when he loses that's not a bad thing
considering how many times he gets squeezed out the top spot. Could someone please tell me what the difference is between dopers that have served their bans but have cried some crocodile tears and the ones that have obeyed the omertà?
In my mind they both should have been banned for life but they haven't so they should be treated the same when they win or lose.
In my mind they both should have been banned for life but they haven't so they should be treated the same when they win or lose.
Grandfondo said:
Could someone please tell me what the difference is between dopers that have served their bans but have cried some crocodile tears and the ones that have obeyed the omertà?
In my mind they both should have been banned for life but they haven't so they should be treated the same when they win or lose.
I don't see that there is such a big difference, they are all the keepers of omertà because doping is so rife, cycling is a sport based on deep long standing traditions and not 'spitting in the soup' is a fundamental. Look at the people who have been brave enough to raise their heads above the parapet in the past - Gilles Delion, Kimmage and Christophe Bassons. Vilified and mostly driven from the sport. No a doper is a doper, whether it is an unrepentant one like Valverde or the cry baby type like Miller. In my mind they both should have been banned for life but they haven't so they should be treated the same when they win or lose.
Considering the clear move a couple of decades ago for doping to become controlled/facilitated by the teams, I can't help but feel that if a threshold of riders from a specific team (say 2) is reached a full on investigation into the team is conducted.
Happens in many other areas - a couple of coincidences leads to a closer look at a wider scope.
Very disappointing these things happen at the end of the season - makes the whole year become suspect when you think of certain results.
Happens in many other areas - a couple of coincidences leads to a closer look at a wider scope.
Very disappointing these things happen at the end of the season - makes the whole year become suspect when you think of certain results.
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