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How about running the Kierin without the derney and letting the riders decide on the speed for themselves? I would have thought it would still produce exciting mass sprints.
And if we're talking about removing events, I'd bin the Omnium. I know what you'll say about testing a rider over a number of disciplines but to be honest I was as bored as I was confused watching 150-odd laps of bikes dancing up and down the banking for no apparent reason with sprint points being dished out all over the place.
But whatever, watching the track cycling has definitely been the highlight for me, with swimming not far behind. If only the althletics could justify both its funding and air time compared to the other sports and its relatively poor medal showing (although given the hype and coverage I'd assumed Usain Bolt had suddenly become British for the shortest and dullest event in the Olympic programme).
And if we're talking about removing events, I'd bin the Omnium. I know what you'll say about testing a rider over a number of disciplines but to be honest I was as bored as I was confused watching 150-odd laps of bikes dancing up and down the banking for no apparent reason with sprint points being dished out all over the place.
But whatever, watching the track cycling has definitely been the highlight for me, with swimming not far behind. If only the althletics could justify both its funding and air time compared to the other sports and its relatively poor medal showing (although given the hype and coverage I'd assumed Usain Bolt had suddenly become British for the shortest and dullest event in the Olympic programme).
jesusbuiltmycar said:
I was watching the BMX time trial / seeding yesterday and wondered why they don't use a bigger gear and don't have any aero... Marginal Gains that could be expoited?
Lycra is against the rules (thankfully). Also got to think about crash protection, lycra doesnt offer much... Same boat for everyone.Gearing is a balance between acceleration for the small areas where they can pedal and top end. Disadvantaged if you go too far each way so theres a sweet spot.
Phillips looks to be out (no pun intended) of it sadly
Antony Moxey said:
How about running the Kierin without the derney and letting the riders decide on the speed for themselves? I would have thought it would still produce exciting mass sprints.
And if we're talking about removing events, I'd bin the Omnium. I know what you'll say about testing a rider over a number of disciplines but to be honest I was as bored as I was confused watching 150-odd laps of bikes dancing up and down the banking for no apparent reason with sprint points being dished out all over the place.
But whatever, watching the track cycling has definitely been the highlight for me, with swimming not far behind. If only the althletics could justify both its funding and air time compared to the other sports and its relatively poor medal showing (although given the hype and coverage I'd assumed Usain Bolt had suddenly become British for the shortest and dullest event in the Olympic programme).
The kierin is designed to produce close results in a short time for betting. If you didn't have the Derny it would be like a multi way match sprint which would be dangerous as hell and subject much more to collusion. And if we're talking about removing events, I'd bin the Omnium. I know what you'll say about testing a rider over a number of disciplines but to be honest I was as bored as I was confused watching 150-odd laps of bikes dancing up and down the banking for no apparent reason with sprint points being dished out all over the place.
But whatever, watching the track cycling has definitely been the highlight for me, with swimming not far behind. If only the althletics could justify both its funding and air time compared to the other sports and its relatively poor medal showing (although given the hype and coverage I'd assumed Usain Bolt had suddenly become British for the shortest and dullest event in the Olympic programme).
Riders playing fair would need an acceleration gear, whereas riders colluding could have one lead the other out leaving the others under geared.
If you want a race to be a bunch sprint without a Derny it needs to be at least 15 laps.
Antony Moxey said:
How about running the Kierin without the derney and letting the riders decide on the speed for themselves? I would have thought it would still produce exciting mass sprints.
And if we're talking about removing events, I'd bin the Omnium. I know what you'll say about testing a rider over a number of disciplines but to be honest I was as bored as I was confused watching 150-odd laps of bikes dancing up and down the banking for no apparent reason with sprint points being dished out all over the place.
But whatever, watching the track cycling has definitely been the highlight for me, with swimming not far behind. If only the althletics could justify both its funding and air time compared to the other sports and its relatively poor medal showing (although given the hype and coverage I'd assumed Usain Bolt had suddenly become British for the shortest and dullest event in the Olympic programme).
If I may be so bold you need to learn the rules. The points race is utterly captivating - either standalone or as a part of the omnium. And if we're talking about removing events, I'd bin the Omnium. I know what you'll say about testing a rider over a number of disciplines but to be honest I was as bored as I was confused watching 150-odd laps of bikes dancing up and down the banking for no apparent reason with sprint points being dished out all over the place.
But whatever, watching the track cycling has definitely been the highlight for me, with swimming not far behind. If only the althletics could justify both its funding and air time compared to the other sports and its relatively poor medal showing (although given the hype and coverage I'd assumed Usain Bolt had suddenly become British for the shortest and dullest event in the Olympic programme).
I wouldn't change the track programme other than to extend it to include the kilo and the individual Pursuit.
Track cycling began its new Era when Manchester Velodrome opened and lottery funding meant they could bring everyone together in Manchester . The coaching staff are just incredible and deserve a gold medal for the way they bring the cyclists to the Olympics on top form much to the annoyance of the Germans and the French and not forgetting the Aussies.
Just heard Cav saying they used old equipment in London for the Worlds some as old as 8 years .
Track cycling began its new Era when Manchester Velodrome opened and lottery funding meant they could bring everyone together in Manchester . The coaching staff are just incredible and deserve a gold medal for the way they bring the cyclists to the Olympics on top form much to the annoyance of the Germans and the French and not forgetting the Aussies.
Just heard Cav saying they used old equipment in London for the Worlds some as old as 8 years .
Rocksteadyeddie said:
Antony Moxey said:
How about running the Kierin without the derney and letting the riders decide on the speed for themselves? I would have thought it would still produce exciting mass sprints.
And if we're talking about removing events, I'd bin the Omnium. I know what you'll say about testing a rider over a number of disciplines but to be honest I was as bored as I was confused watching 150-odd laps of bikes dancing up and down the banking for no apparent reason with sprint points being dished out all over the place.
But whatever, watching the track cycling has definitely been the highlight for me, with swimming not far behind. If only the althletics could justify both its funding and air time compared to the other sports and its relatively poor medal showing (although given the hype and coverage I'd assumed Usain Bolt had suddenly become British for the shortest and dullest event in the Olympic programme).
If I may be so bold you need to learn the rules. The points race is utterly captivating - either standalone or as a part of the omnium. And if we're talking about removing events, I'd bin the Omnium. I know what you'll say about testing a rider over a number of disciplines but to be honest I was as bored as I was confused watching 150-odd laps of bikes dancing up and down the banking for no apparent reason with sprint points being dished out all over the place.
But whatever, watching the track cycling has definitely been the highlight for me, with swimming not far behind. If only the althletics could justify both its funding and air time compared to the other sports and its relatively poor medal showing (although given the hype and coverage I'd assumed Usain Bolt had suddenly become British for the shortest and dullest event in the Olympic programme).
Antony Moxey said:
How about running the Kierin without the derney and letting the riders decide on the speed for themselves? I would have thought it would still produce exciting mass sprints.
And if we're talking about removing events, I'd bin the Omnium. I know what you'll say about testing a rider over a number of disciplines but to be honest I was as bored as I was confused watching 150-odd laps of bikes dancing up and down the banking for no apparent reason with sprint points being dished out all over the place.
Heathen! Get out.And if we're talking about removing events, I'd bin the Omnium. I know what you'll say about testing a rider over a number of disciplines but to be honest I was as bored as I was confused watching 150-odd laps of bikes dancing up and down the banking for no apparent reason with sprint points being dished out all over the place.
The points race could benefit from some simple on-screen graphics I think.
A bit like the moving line for various records in the swimming, it would be handy to have the lead group with a green shadow, the pursuitants as orange and the peleton as red, for instance, when it starts to get more complicated.
And they should bring back the Madison. I love it!
A bit like the moving line for various records in the swimming, it would be handy to have the lead group with a green shadow, the pursuitants as orange and the peleton as red, for instance, when it starts to get more complicated.
And they should bring back the Madison. I love it!
Rowsell-Shand and Cav were on Sunday Brunch C4 today. (Probably on catch up , but you'll need to fast forward a lot of it)
Other guests looked a bit lost as they were all people I've never heard of. Jo was of course brilliant. Mark was OK, kicked the Rio organisation and facilities
But you can see he still regards Silver as a failure. I get it, he's super competitive. I hope in time he'll realise its still a great result
Other guests looked a bit lost as they were all people I've never heard of. Jo was of course brilliant. Mark was OK, kicked the Rio organisation and facilities
But you can see he still regards Silver as a failure. I get it, he's super competitive. I hope in time he'll realise its still a great result
Great quote about a segment on the Ezaro:
Back in 2012, Galician former pro Ezequiel Mosquera recounted to the Faro de Vigo newspaper that "This climb has a segment of 300 metres which is more than tough, it's impossible." Mosquera recounted that the first riders to tackle the climb was a local club, the CC Noia in the early 1990s, using a 39x23 gear. However "most of them went up on foot - on foot and backwards, because it was impossible to go up walking forwards!"
Back in 2012, Galician former pro Ezequiel Mosquera recounted to the Faro de Vigo newspaper that "This climb has a segment of 300 metres which is more than tough, it's impossible." Mosquera recounted that the first riders to tackle the climb was a local club, the CC Noia in the early 1990s, using a 39x23 gear. However "most of them went up on foot - on foot and backwards, because it was impossible to go up walking forwards!"
Matt_N said:
Great quote about a segment on the Ezaro:
Back in 2012, Galician former pro Ezequiel Mosquera recounted to the Faro de Vigo newspaper that "This climb has a segment of 300 metres which is more than tough, it's impossible." Mosquera recounted that the first riders to tackle the climb was a local club, the CC Noia in the early 1990s, using a 39x23 gear. However "most of them went up on foot - on foot and backwards, because it was impossible to go up walking forwards!"
Any pics? Can't find any on google of the actual 30% sectionBack in 2012, Galician former pro Ezequiel Mosquera recounted to the Faro de Vigo newspaper that "This climb has a segment of 300 metres which is more than tough, it's impossible." Mosquera recounted that the first riders to tackle the climb was a local club, the CC Noia in the early 1990s, using a 39x23 gear. However "most of them went up on foot - on foot and backwards, because it was impossible to go up walking forwards!"
mcelliott said:
He's no dawg and he doesn't ride for sky, but well done simon yates.
Was a really good ride that - from the whole team. Loved that even Millar couldn't figure who they were riding for, must have made it hard to counter from the other teams. Post race commentary suggested that Bertie could have kept with him, but didn't - possibly because he presumed they were riding for Chavez and Yates was a sacrificial "send him up front" move to jump up to / off of.Love the Vuelta, the hilly stages a re sooooo much more fun than bunch sprints.
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