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pablo said:
Because he's got good coaches and nutritionists? Because it's his job to do that and he is paid handsomely to achieve it?
Ultimately cycling will always be about trying to prove a negative. You think a performance is suspicious but have no evidence of cheating.
Don't get me wrong, I've got a lot of time for the doubters but you need to treat everyone with equal contempt.
Ultimately you will keep asking questions that can not be answered our you won't accept the answers. Start by asking Lampre, TinkOff and Astana about their TUEs and you won't come across quite so "anti-Sky"
The thing with Astana and Tinkoff, is unlike Sky they don't have this holier than though, condescending style of, we're cleaner than you are. From the beginning we've been fed untrue statements and facts that simply don't add up, whether it's Brailsford talking about delivering a clean Tour winner, or Steve Peters going on record as saying they would rather pull a rider from a competition than issue a TUE, Wiggins' constant lies; whether it's about syringes or not racing with Lance Armstrong. Or, Michael Barry's admission that the team used to train with Tramadol. The list is endless. All done behind the cloak of marginal gains. If Contador or Nibali or Froome, or whoever is found to be cheating, regardless of the team, then they should feel the full force of the punishment implemented. I don't hate Sky at all, I just wish they wouldn't seemingly mislead people with things that appear not to be true.Ultimately cycling will always be about trying to prove a negative. You think a performance is suspicious but have no evidence of cheating.
Don't get me wrong, I've got a lot of time for the doubters but you need to treat everyone with equal contempt.
Ultimately you will keep asking questions that can not be answered our you won't accept the answers. Start by asking Lampre, TinkOff and Astana about their TUEs and you won't come across quite so "anti-Sky"
mcelliott said:
pablo said:
Because he's got good coaches and nutritionists? Because it's his job to do that and he is paid handsomely to achieve it?
Ultimately cycling will always be about trying to prove a negative. You think a performance is suspicious but have no evidence of cheating.
Don't get me wrong, I've got a lot of time for the doubters but you need to treat everyone with equal contempt.
Ultimately you will keep asking questions that can not be answered our you won't accept the answers. Start by asking Lampre, TinkOff and Astana about their TUEs and you won't come across quite so "anti-Sky"
The thing with Astana and Tinkoff, is unlike Sky they don't have this holier than though, condescending style of, we're cleaner than you are. From the beginning we've been fed untrue statements and facts that simply don't add up, whether it's Brailsford talking about delivering a clean Tour winner, or Steve Peters going on record as saying they would rather pull a rider from a competition than issue a TUE, Wiggins' constant lies; whether it's about syringes or not racing with Lance Armstrong. Or, Michael Barry's admission that the team used to train with Tramadol. The list is endless. All done behind the cloak of marginal gains. If Contador or Nibali or Froome, or whoever is found to be cheating, regardless of the team, then they should feel the full force of the punishment implemented. I don't hate Sky at all, I just wish they wouldn't seemingly mislead people with things that appear not to be true.Ultimately cycling will always be about trying to prove a negative. You think a performance is suspicious but have no evidence of cheating.
Don't get me wrong, I've got a lot of time for the doubters but you need to treat everyone with equal contempt.
Ultimately you will keep asking questions that can not be answered our you won't accept the answers. Start by asking Lampre, TinkOff and Astana about their TUEs and you won't come across quite so "anti-Sky"
pablo said:
mcelliott said:
I doubt very much of either of those two riders won their respective Grand Tours clean. Maybe you could tell me how Wiggins has managed the yo-yoing of his weight over the years; corpse like for his Grand Tours, without any loss of power, and then manages to pack on 10-15kg of muscle without getting fat, for his velodrome exploits.
Because he's got good coaches and nutritionists? Because it's his job to do that and he is paid handsomely to achieve it?Ultimately cycling will always be about trying to prove a negative. You think a performance is suspicious but have no evidence of cheating.
Don't get me wrong, I've got a lot of time for the doubters but you need to treat everyone with equal contempt.
Ultimately you will keep asking questions that can not be answered our you won't accept the answers. Start by asking Lampre, TinkOff and Astana about their TUEs and you won't come across quite so "anti-Sky"
mcelliott said:
pablo said:
mcelliott said:
Talksteer said:
TUE's clearly didn't have major impacts
Sorry I'm not sure what you mean by that, can you clarify. Also, can you name some of the races that Wiggins won, or did well in, without the need for his TUEs.A friend of mine, late 20s, who enjoyed working out in the gym and had an impressive physique, decided that cycling was his thing and over the course of a winter decided to change his body shape. He dropped between 5-10kgs and very much changed into a cyclist, thing Marcel Kittel including the hairdo.
That was a normal guy doing that, I'm sure with an army of nutritionists behind you any one of us could do the same.
Money talks unfortunately... The middle eastern countries clearly see money in cycling with the Bahrain team signing Nibbles for next year, they don't do things by half...
Should be an interesting race if only to see how the Germans deal with Kittel and Gripel, there was talk of them leaving one at home so there was no mixed focus on the day, it's clearly a sprinters course so either must fancy their chance, Bouhanni and Kristoff are dark horses and Sagan could get lucky.... I'll tune in for the last fifteen kms for sure. That said its so flat, it just needs one cheeky gust of wind, echelons form, a break develops....
From the sound of it they are concerned about the heat, it's excited to be high thirties this weekend in Doha, unlikely it will be much cooler next weekend for the race so they're talking of reducing the race length by over half distance, talk of just 100kms...
Should be an interesting race if only to see how the Germans deal with Kittel and Gripel, there was talk of them leaving one at home so there was no mixed focus on the day, it's clearly a sprinters course so either must fancy their chance, Bouhanni and Kristoff are dark horses and Sagan could get lucky.... I'll tune in for the last fifteen kms for sure. That said its so flat, it just needs one cheeky gust of wind, echelons form, a break develops....
From the sound of it they are concerned about the heat, it's excited to be high thirties this weekend in Doha, unlikely it will be much cooler next weekend for the race so they're talking of reducing the race length by over half distance, talk of just 100kms...
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 4th October 22:07
pablo said:
Money talks unfortunately... The middle eastern countries clearly see money in cycling with the Bahrain team signing Nibbles for next year, they don't do things by half...
Should be an interesting race if only to see how the Germans deal with Kittel and Gripel, there was talk of them leaving one at home so there was no mixed focus on the day, it's clearly a sprinters course so either must fancy their chance, Bouhanni and Kristoff are dark horses and Sagan could get lucky.... I'll tune in for the last fifteen kms for sure. That said its so flat, it just needs one cheeky gust of wind, echelons form, a break develops....
From the sound of it they are concerned about the heat, it's excited to be high thirties this weekend in Doha, unlikely it will be much cooler next weekend for the race so they're talking of reducing the race length by over half distance, talk of just 100kms...
surprised they haven't changed the time to be a night race or wired up a couple of hundred Turbos and stick them all in A/C cooled Gym. The World Road Race Championship is the pinnacle and it shouldn't be sold to the highest bidder.Should be an interesting race if only to see how the Germans deal with Kittel and Gripel, there was talk of them leaving one at home so there was no mixed focus on the day, it's clearly a sprinters course so either must fancy their chance, Bouhanni and Kristoff are dark horses and Sagan could get lucky.... I'll tune in for the last fifteen kms for sure. That said its so flat, it just needs one cheeky gust of wind, echelons form, a break develops....
From the sound of it they are concerned about the heat, it's excited to be high thirties this weekend in Doha, unlikely it will be much cooler next weekend for the race so they're talking of reducing the race length by over half distance, talk of just 100kms...
Edited by pablo on Tuesday 4th October 22:07
Excellent news - Yorkshire will host the 2019 Worlds
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/yorkshire-wins-bid...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/yorkshire-wins-bid...
Unexpected Item In Bagging Area said:
Excellent news - Yorkshire will host the 2019 Worlds
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/yorkshire-wins-bid...
I'm going.http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/yorkshire-wins-bid...
I'll take the kids out of school if I need to, I'm going.
Unexpected Item In Bagging Area said:
Excellent news - Yorkshire will host the 2019 Worlds
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/yorkshire-wins-bid...
Good for Yorkshire and it will be a real World Championship unlike what is going on in the heat of the middle Easthttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news/yorkshire-wins-bid...
It was in Doha because Eddy Merckx was involved and the UCI still fawn over Merckx, no doubt Eddy got paid handsomely by the Qataris for his "help"...
I thought it was a pretty good race though and as predicted, completely blown apart by the wind (pun intended). What was not to like? it certainly wasnt dull. Yes, for the biggest impact on the race to occur at just 80kms in though was annoying as so many big sprinters and instigators were victim one way or another and the race did lose some interest. That said, the final 20kms were interesting and set up a great finish...
How there is not a Belgian in the rainbow jersey tonight amazes me though, surely GvA or Roelandts would have gone for a final break with a few kms to go? But I am pleased for Sagan and gutted for Cav, he had Sagan's wheel and I am sure Sagan knew this and did everything he could to drop Cav, Cav then stalling behind Matthews just long enough to lose his momentum. Ah well, rubbish course next year, has Froome written all over it. Then Austria in 2018 and Yorkshire in 2019, not sure I totally agree with three European Countries in succession for the World Championships but it should result in good racing.
I thought it was a pretty good race though and as predicted, completely blown apart by the wind (pun intended). What was not to like? it certainly wasnt dull. Yes, for the biggest impact on the race to occur at just 80kms in though was annoying as so many big sprinters and instigators were victim one way or another and the race did lose some interest. That said, the final 20kms were interesting and set up a great finish...
How there is not a Belgian in the rainbow jersey tonight amazes me though, surely GvA or Roelandts would have gone for a final break with a few kms to go? But I am pleased for Sagan and gutted for Cav, he had Sagan's wheel and I am sure Sagan knew this and did everything he could to drop Cav, Cav then stalling behind Matthews just long enough to lose his momentum. Ah well, rubbish course next year, has Froome written all over it. Then Austria in 2018 and Yorkshire in 2019, not sure I totally agree with three European Countries in succession for the World Championships but it should result in good racing.
Randy Winkman said:
About 500 metres would have been adequate. Was there any point in having it there? Roll on Yorkshire.
I think there is, major cycling events have to be spread out across new and 'upcoming' markets/areas. I agree the crowds were thin on the ground but it's good that the sport of cycling is far reaching.It takes time and effort to gain momentum. Of course Europe already has a huge cycling community, but even that had to start somewhere!
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