The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
FredClogs said:
Fittster said:
FredClogs said:
Why would Wilder want a fight? Surely it makes most sense for him to keep his 0 and wait for the winner of AJ v Wlad. Huge pay day for him whatever the result. Wilder knows that he's at a point in his career now where he's not going to get away with fighting anymore also rans, with the drugs testing taking out half the field of late, it's Parker or Luis Ortiz next and it will have to be before the autumn (Parker being the easier option), bills will be mounting up.
RumbleOfThunder said:
so he's not got a license........to fight in the uk.......would that be effectual in new zealand though??Fittster said:
I very much doubt we will see klitschko in the ring again if he's ko'ed by AJ.
with touching on 70 pro fights and 140 amateur fights i think he's probably paid his dues already
with the exception of larry holmes and george foreman i'm hard pressed to think of another atg heavyweight with as many pro fights on his ledger.....and nobody in the upper echelons of the division have had anywhere near the number of amateur bouts as wlad
So what are peoples thoughts on the AJ WK game plan for Saturday? I see it like this...
WK - Out of the traps from round one and try to establish the tempo, keeping AJ on his back foot with his Jab. Good footwork and headwork avoiding and confusing AJ; not allowing him opportunity to find his range and let his guns blaze.
AJ - I think AJ will probably anticipate the above approach from WK and perhaps allow things to go his way for a few rounds, maybe working on counterpunching and cheeky body shots to lower his guard. Just maybe feeling his way in and taking direction from the corner.
WK - Out of the traps from round one and try to establish the tempo, keeping AJ on his back foot with his Jab. Good footwork and headwork avoiding and confusing AJ; not allowing him opportunity to find his range and let his guns blaze.
AJ - I think AJ will probably anticipate the above approach from WK and perhaps allow things to go his way for a few rounds, maybe working on counterpunching and cheeky body shots to lower his guard. Just maybe feeling his way in and taking direction from the corner.
It's possible that happens but Wlad is so good at controlling opponents that you can't let him win the early rounds. If he does Joshua will end up chasing the fight later on as Wlad controls the pace and distance and this would massively increase the chance of getting starched.
I think it'll be a cagey opening with Klitschko pawing away with his jab whilst Joshua tries to establish his own jab. It'll get excited the moment one of them unloads and tags the other guy.
I think it'll be a cagey opening with Klitschko pawing away with his jab whilst Joshua tries to establish his own jab. It'll get excited the moment one of them unloads and tags the other guy.
tuscaneer said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
so he's not got a license........to fight in the uk.......would that be effectual in new zealand though??dirty boy said:
Stick to your strengths, I think AJ simply has to go in looking for a knockout and jump on Wlad before he gets into a rythm.
Agree- I think AJ will KO Wlad by the 7th or 8th round but I also think the above is his only way of winning.A world title unification bout in front of 90,000 people is not the time to try out new things when your a relative novice- minor adjustments technique wise yes, but not to change it all up and go into unknown waters.
AJ won't want to live with regrets and if he loses on a points decision trying to outbox Wlad that is exactly what he will have...he'll always be wondering 'what if I just really went for it...'.
High risk strategy is the only way..1st round, hold the middle of the right as much as possible, don't let Wlad settle into a rhythm, and to be honest even as early as late round 1 he has to just go for it and stick it on him. If he overwhelms Wlad early, he will win. The awesome power combination punching is nothing we have seen for many years, a 41 year old will not be able to live with it. If he lands early it will be a short fight.
At that point only question is how good is AJ's chin? From the amateurs we can say- maybe not that good. But we don't really know for sure.
I'm sure Wlad expects a cagey, respectful AJ in the early rounds. He has to be the exact opposite and take a chance.
If he wins this and can keep his feet on the ground Ortiz, Parker and Wilder over the next two years are relatively light work for him.
tuscaneer said:
....but he also doesn't want to get hypnotized by wlad's jab from early then end up getting led round the ring by his nose...
But AJs size means that Wlad's jab, jab, clinch approach isn't likely to work (see Fury fight). Without his size advantage hopefully he'll have to be more adventurous than normal.Chad_Hugo said:
dirty boy said:
Stick to your strengths, I think AJ simply has to go in looking for a knockout and jump on Wlad before he gets into a rythm.
Agree- I think AJ will KO Wlad by the 7th or 8th round but I also think the above is his only way of winning.A world title unification bout in front of 90,000 people is not the time to try out new things when your a relative novice- minor adjustments technique wise yes, but not to change it all up and go into unknown waters.
AJ won't want to live with regrets and if he loses on a points decision trying to outbox Wlad that is exactly what he will have...he'll always be wondering 'what if I just really went for it...'.
High risk strategy is the only way..1st round, hold the middle of the right as much as possible, don't let Wlad settle into a rhythm, and to be honest even as early as late round 1 he has to just go for it and stick it on him. If he overwhelms Wlad early, he will win. The awesome power combination punching is nothing we have seen for many years, a 41 year old will not be able to live with it. If he lands early it will be a short fight.
At that point only question is how good is AJ's chin? From the amateurs we can say- maybe not that good. But we don't really know for sure.
I'm sure Wlad expects a cagey, respectful AJ in the early rounds. He has to be the exact opposite and take a chance.
If he wins this and can keep his feet on the ground Ortiz, Parker and Wilder over the next two years are relatively light work for him.
Although he has 18 from 18 he's never really boxed for the win and he knows it. I think he'll be respectful initially and try work WK out. As his confidence grows he may well try to pressure Wlad with the heavy work.
I totally agree though; he will hit Wlad harder than he's ever been hit and at 41 and 18 months out it's not a great mix.
Fittster said:
tuscaneer said:
....but he also doesn't want to get hypnotized by wlad's jab from early then end up getting led round the ring by his nose...
But AJs size means that Wlad's jab, jab, clinch approach isn't likely to work (see Fury fight). Without his size advantage hopefully he'll have to be more adventurous than normal.i noticed watching the show on joshua last night that rob mckracken was drilling him about turning and rolling out....to avoid the hooks from the back foot....taking off my nostalgia head rob might make the difference to joshua in this fight you know.....if he listens to instructions properly
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