The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
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FredClogs said:
If AJ does bang him out he HAS to go down as one of the biggest hitters in history, right up there with a young George Foreman if Vlad can jab and hold AJ, defend himself and wear him down in the early rounds then he must go down as one of the cleverest and most technically proficient boxers of all time, there is so much at stake in this fight, so much unknown about what each will do tactically and how they will stand up physically to the punishment from the other - it's genuinely the fight of the decade for me.
I think you're getting a bit carried away buddy.Purrity, Sanders and Brewster all 'banged Klitschko out' and none of them would be classed as some of the biggest hitters in history. George Foreman was a freak of nature who even with arm punches was knocking people out left, right and centre.
Joshua has never faced a top tier heavyweight let alone a technical guy like Wladimir. It's not out of the realms of possibility that he gets completely outboxed.
Don't get me wrong, I'm as excited as the next guy but lets be realistic. Joshua may have the skill to win but he hasn't fought another opponent that's forced him to show us those skills so we can only hope he has the skills required if the going gets tough. We all know he has enough power to knock anyone out but lets face it, so does Klitschko.
I still think it's a 50/50 fight that either man can take. I'm just looking forward to it!
I think all Top Sportsmen arrive at a point where the mind and the body no longer have the same plan. I can see WK using all his years to frustrate AJ but not much more than that and when the big hits come that's when the brain and the body will fall out as he really doesn't need to do this and AJ does. He is even older now than in the Fury fight and he looked slow and out of sorts then I cant see this going more than 6 or 7 rounds.
Robatr0n said:
FredClogs said:
If AJ does bang him out he HAS to go down as one of the biggest hitters in history, right up there with a young George Foreman if Vlad can jab and hold AJ, defend himself and wear him down in the early rounds then he must go down as one of the cleverest and most technically proficient boxers of all time, there is so much at stake in this fight, so much unknown about what each will do tactically and how they will stand up physically to the punishment from the other - it's genuinely the fight of the decade for me.
I think you're getting a bit carried away buddy.Purrity, Sanders and Brewster all 'banged Klitschko out' and none of them would be classed as some of the biggest hitters in history. George Foreman was a freak of nature who even with arm punches was knocking people out left, right and centre.
Joshua has never faced a top tier heavyweight let alone a technical guy like Wladimir. It's not out of the realms of possibility that he gets completely outboxed.
Don't get me wrong, I'm as excited as the next guy but lets be realistic. Joshua may have the skill to win but he hasn't fought another opponent that's forced him to show us those skills so we can only hope he has the skills required if the going gets tough. We all know he has enough power to knock anyone out but lets face it, so does Klitschko.
I still think it's a 50/50 fight that either man can take. I'm just looking forward to it!
just to bit a bit nit picky
.....but theres only one guy who's banged him out and that was corrie sanders...and he punched like a mule kick.......the purrity and brewster losses were absolutely attritional.......
if joshua takes him out clean he'll be only the second man to do so in nearly 200 fights......but wlad is as old as the hills now
.# nerd hat off#
lord trumpton said:
I watched that too...great program to watch.
AJ comes across as a sound guy; still very humble - perhaps a little green too.
I want Wlad to win - purely as he's a similar age to me and I'd like to see the old champ come good. If WK does win I can see it going the distance.
I've noticed since 35 (now 43) that age does play a factor in physical performance as well as feeling pain.
I had my jaw broke in a scrap in my 20's - had lip stitched up and jaw wired and I was right as rain in 3 weeks; no issues with confidence etc
Last year I slipped off the summer house roof, fell 4 foot and broke 2 ribs - Although I'm healed I still ache and a bit wary of falling again.
With age reactions slow, healing takes longer and the hubris of youth disappears. I wonder how WK is going to handle the fear of getting hurt and beaten?
I think WK has a lot more to lose than AJ
I'd be gutted if AJ wiped the floor with him and knocked him out badly - I suspect this is quite likely
totally feel you mate, i'm 42 now and it gets harder!!...however, if i were to pitch the 42 year old version of me against the 30 year old version of me the old guy would win out.....i never get absolutely shattered in sparring now whereas in years gone by i'd go balls out and be blowing out me arse....AJ comes across as a sound guy; still very humble - perhaps a little green too.
I want Wlad to win - purely as he's a similar age to me and I'd like to see the old champ come good. If WK does win I can see it going the distance.
I've noticed since 35 (now 43) that age does play a factor in physical performance as well as feeling pain.
I had my jaw broke in a scrap in my 20's - had lip stitched up and jaw wired and I was right as rain in 3 weeks; no issues with confidence etc
Last year I slipped off the summer house roof, fell 4 foot and broke 2 ribs - Although I'm healed I still ache and a bit wary of falling again.
With age reactions slow, healing takes longer and the hubris of youth disappears. I wonder how WK is going to handle the fear of getting hurt and beaten?
I think WK has a lot more to lose than AJ
I'd be gutted if AJ wiped the floor with him and knocked him out badly - I suspect this is quite likely
i'm better at keeping it measured now because i know i can't go full tilt round after round.i've got a feeling that the scars of the purrity and brewster losses were lessons learned for wlad which is why the pre steward version of him was so much more aggresive and offensive than the older version......i think (as long as he didn't age overnight) the fury fight was just a bad day at the office....
i think wlad may try to frustrate the s
t out of anthony and take him late......let him make mistakes before finding the gaps to get offPurpleAki said:
Sanders beat the st of Klitschko. Was a huge shock at the time but Klitschko got mullered. Put down 4/5 times IIRC.
i couldn't believe it.....it was on eurosport live and i didn't have it. told my old man to ring me as the fight was on to let me know what was happening. i got the call...2nd round blowout......brilliant i said, then he dropped the bomb!t of Klitschko. Was a huge shock at the time but Klitschko got mullered. Put down 4/5 times IIRC. 
....i couldn't believe it....it was so unexpected after the absolute brutal displays before that......a 38 year old guy at the back end of his career against the unstoppable force that everyone was saying was the next superstar heavyweight.....there's some parallels here!!
tuscaneer said:
i think wlad may try to frustrate the st out of anthony and take him late......let him make mistakes before finding the gaps to get off
Is there a fight where Wlad has frustrated an opponent who is the same size as himself? t out of anthony and take him late......let him make mistakes before finding the gaps to get offWhen he fought Wach he was aggressive but AJ is a lot more dangerous.
Edited by Fittster on Friday 28th April 09:53
I watched the AJ documentary too- very good watch.
AJ even at 27 and 18 fights has already done something that in my view no other British boxer in recent has done to the same extent, so quickly- crossed over and reached out to non boxing fans.
People seem to love AJ- he's become a poster boy of British boxing and it's all seemed so effortless. He has a huge fan-base and is loved in a way past champions like Benn, Eubank, Froch, etc etc never were. Yes, there's Ricky Hatton- but I don't remember groups of girls in their 20's paying a fortune to see him fight or Dr. Dre skyping him to wish him luck
Wlad's 'tactics' in the gloves are off and before are a bit predictable and sadly really. AJ brushed it off and I think responded with something like 'I'm going for the knock out- it's what I do".
If he controls his emotions on the night and can take a few shots here and there he will KO Wlad comfortably and end his career.
AJ to knock him out by 7th, max 8th round- final prediction!
AJ even at 27 and 18 fights has already done something that in my view no other British boxer in recent has done to the same extent, so quickly- crossed over and reached out to non boxing fans.
People seem to love AJ- he's become a poster boy of British boxing and it's all seemed so effortless. He has a huge fan-base and is loved in a way past champions like Benn, Eubank, Froch, etc etc never were. Yes, there's Ricky Hatton- but I don't remember groups of girls in their 20's paying a fortune to see him fight or Dr. Dre skyping him to wish him luck
Wlad's 'tactics' in the gloves are off and before are a bit predictable and sadly really. AJ brushed it off and I think responded with something like 'I'm going for the knock out- it's what I do".
If he controls his emotions on the night and can take a few shots here and there he will KO Wlad comfortably and end his career.
AJ to knock him out by 7th, max 8th round- final prediction!
johnxjsc1985 said:
I think all Top Sportsmen arrive at a point where the mind and the body no longer have the same plan. I can see WK using all his years to frustrate AJ but not much more than that and when the big hits come that's when the brain and the body will fall out as he really doesn't need to do this and AJ does. He is even older now than in the Fury fight and he looked slow and out of sorts then I cant see this going more than 6 or 7 rounds.
People seem to forget Fury is extremely difficult to handle.He has an amazing ability to see a shot coming from miles away, his arms flail in the wind like two noodles with extreme reach, he switches stance and has fast foot work. He worked in a circular fashion around Klitscho making himself very difficult to hit. Jab and hold didn't work as fury slipped away. He may not hit hard, but is just extremely awkward to handle.
Klitschko couldn't work it out. If he'd had ES still in his corner he probably would have had him steam rolling fury. Banks ran out of ideas and Vitali took over.
Joshua is miles away from a Fury. He won't replicate the same style as fury and will never be able to, so jab and spoil may well be back on the menu.
Unless joshua is sand bagging, in the open work out klitschko appeared extremely nimble with super quick hand speed... joshua appeared bigger than before and slower.
Lets hope Vitali is in his corner again, and the Kiltshcko that fought Pulev turns up, or this could be quite dull.
Purso said:
I haven't rewatched the wlad vs fury fight did vitali take over in the corner from banks?
Banks seems like a good guy but he isn't the most inspirational and wouldn't be a guy that I would choose if I was in need of some incisive direction at a critical moment.
You'd think between Banks and Vitali one would have suggested to Wlad that he tried punching Fury.Banks seems like a good guy but he isn't the most inspirational and wouldn't be a guy that I would choose if I was in need of some incisive direction at a critical moment.
m4tti said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
I think all Top Sportsmen arrive at a point where the mind and the body no longer have the same plan. I can see WK using all his years to frustrate AJ but not much more than that and when the big hits come that's when the brain and the body will fall out as he really doesn't need to do this and AJ does. He is even older now than in the Fury fight and he looked slow and out of sorts then I cant see this going more than 6 or 7 rounds.
People seem to forget Fury is extremely difficult to handle.He has an amazing ability to see a shot coming from miles away, his arms flail in the wind like two noodles with extreme reach, he switches stance and has fast foot work. He worked in a circular fashion around Klitscho making himself very difficult to hit. Jab and hold didn't work as fury slipped away. He may not hit hard, but is just extremely awkward to handle.
Klitschko couldn't work it out. If he'd had ES still in his corner he probably would have had him steam rolling fury. Banks ran out of ideas and Vitali took over.
Joshua is miles away from a Fury. He won't replicate the same style as fury and will never be able to, so jab and spoil may well be back on the menu.
Unless joshua is sand bagging, in the open work out klitschko appeared extremely nimble with super quick hand speed... joshua appeared bigger than before and slower.
Lets hope Vitali is in his corner again, and the Kiltshcko that fought Pulev turns up, or this could be quite dull.
I have my doubts if Fury will fight again at top level but if he does the first and last fight I want to see him in is vs AJ. It will end with 2-3 doctors standing over him.
I one the workouts I saw AJ looked light on his feet. In another one a few days later I was a bit worried to be honest- like you say he looked absolutely huge, his arms and shoulders seemed to have got even bigger if that's even possible and he was moving quite slowly. Hope it was just tiredness and he was going through the motions for the cameras knowing the hard work is already done...
Chad_Hugo said:
I have my doubts if Fury will fight again at top level but if he does the first and last fight I want to see him in is vs AJ. It will end with 2-3 doctors standing over him.
Fury is back training alongside Billy Joe Saunders. Talks of a summer fight.Lots of updates on twitter such as: https://twitter.com/boxnationtv/status/85792806189... Not bad for a fatty!
Edited by hyphen on Friday 28th April 13:51
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