The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
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I've beem thinking about it.....brook is quicker than spence. Spence has to sit down on his shots meaning he won't be able to react to positional change at close quarters in the same way brook does.....spence may have the edge in power but that's debatable....
Prediction......
Spence gets "laceyed"
Prediction......
Spence gets "laceyed"
tuscaneer said:
I've beem thinking about it.....brook is quicker than spence. Spence has to sit down on his shots meaning he won't be able to react to positional change at close quarters in the same way brook does.....spence may have the edge in power but that's debatable....
Prediction......
Spence gets "laceyed"
I'm not sure Brook is the same underdog Calzaghe was, it'll be no surprise how ever he wins, in fact I think on balance from what I've read across the opinions its 50/50 but Spence is coming to Kell's backyard which is massive. Prediction......
Spence gets "laceyed"
n_const said:
Has anyone seen the Benavidez vs Medina fight from the weekend ? I keep watching it on youtube , its fantastic.
Seen the highlights...some great action but to be honest I found it a little uncomfortable viewing at times, seeing how much Medina's head was getting snapped back (and from side to side too). Fingers crossed he didn't sustain too much damage...Amirhussain said:
What are people's opinion on Daniel Dubois? Of course his only had 3 fights and just starting out, but so far?
He confirmed the rumours of what happened between him and AJ last week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCPA4Z5e1Zk
I've been that tied up in work i have only just got around to watching the crawford card.....f
k me he's on another level that lad. Totally wiped the floor with diaz.....
And that beltran knockout of maicelo was incredible!!!...he looked well on his way to getting trounced then BAM!....scary ko. He was out before his head bounced off tbe canvas
k me he's on another level that lad. Totally wiped the floor with diaz.....And that beltran knockout of maicelo was incredible!!!...he looked well on his way to getting trounced then BAM!....scary ko. He was out before his head bounced off tbe canvas
I know the bookies don't agree but I can't see anything other than a Brook win unless he's got weight issues...which I don't think he does.
He has a decent chin and can box. Stoppage win late on.
I also think Groves makes it 4th time lucky unless he gets careless. Not a superstar but a very good operator on his day.
He has a decent chin and can box. Stoppage win late on.
I also think Groves makes it 4th time lucky unless he gets careless. Not a superstar but a very good operator on his day.
CAH706 said:
I also think Groves makes it 4th time lucky unless he gets careless. Not a superstar but a very good operator on his day.
Apropos of nothing (or alternately an omen!) today I found I had George Groves' entrance song on my iPod!I said this at the time; I believe if Groves had had Adam Booth in his corner for the Jack fight, he'd be world champion already...and that's taking nothing away from Badou Jack who, with the DeGale draw, is belatedly getting the recognition he deserves. I'd agree Groves is favourite for this fight but the one question is if he's carrying any demons from the nightmare outcome of his last fight with Eduard Gutknecht (even though nobody blames him for what happened, including Gutknecht's close family apparently)...that will only be known when the first bell rings. I sincerely hope he can put that to one side as this might be his last opportunity for world glory, which I think is ability and dedication warrants.
CAH706 said:
I know the bookies don't agree but I can't see anything other than a Brook win unless he's got weight issues...which I don't think he does.
I'm not so sure. Although his resume isn't great, Spence is a top fighter and has been sparring with the top dogs for a few years now and they're full of nothing but praise for him.Hopefully Brook does what he did against Porter to stop Spence rushing him and loading up on his shots as he does have a tendency to stop and plant those feet.
I see it as a 50/50 fight that I hope Brook wins.
tuscaneer said:
I've been that tied up in work i have only just got around to watching the crawford card.....fk me he's on another level that lad. Totally wiped the floor with diaz.....
And that beltran knockout of maicelo was incredible!!!...he looked well on his way to getting trounced then BAM!....scary ko. He was out before his head bounced off tbe canvas
For me, it's a toss-up between Crawford and Lomachenko for the p4p top spot (as good as Ward, Golovkin and Chocolatito are)...k me he's on another level that lad. Totally wiped the floor with diaz.....And that beltran knockout of maicelo was incredible!!!...he looked well on his way to getting trounced then BAM!....scary ko. He was out before his head bounced off tbe canvas
Beltran delivered KO of the year (so far)! I'd really like him to finally get hold of a world title as that decision against Burns was a travesty (brave though Burns was, fighting on with that broken jaw), then got the s
tty end of the stick again when his promoters decided to give Crawford next crack at the WBO title rather than Beltran getting the rematch. That said, the BoxNation commentators seem to be casting some doubts as to how Beltran could continue to box at that level given his advancing years...Brook V Spence day has arrived!!!
In other news:
In other news:
Open letter from Oscar De La Hoya said:
To my fellow #boxing fans:
I write in the hopes that together we can protect the sport of boxing.
With each passing day, it looks more and more likely that the circus known as Floyd Mayweather Vs. Conor McGregor will be coming to town in the near future.
As undercard fights start to take form, athletic commissions give their blessings in exchange for millions of dollars and the fighters start counting even more cash, one group will eventually be left to make sure this farce doesn’t occur.
We, the fans, who are the lifeblood of our sport.
Boxing is starting to dig out of the hole that Floyd and Manny Pacquiao shoveled by waiting seven years to put on a fight that ended up being as dull as it was anti-climactic.
2017 has started off as a banner year for boxing. Joshua vs. Klitschko; Thurman vs. Garcia; Golovkin vs. Jacobs; Canelo vs. Chavez. All four of these fights – and many more -- have brought the fight game back and reinvigorated interest from the ever-elusive casual fan.
But if you thought Mayweather/Pacquiao was a black eye for our sport – a matchup between two of the best pound-for-pound fighters that simply didn’t deliver -- just wait until the best boxer of a generation dismantles someone who has never boxed competitively at any level – amateur or professional.
Our sport might not ever recover.
I fully understand the initial attraction from any fan of combat sports. McGregor is almost certainly the best pound-for-pound MMA fighter. Floyd is Floyd — the most dominant boxer of his time.
But success in one sport does not guarantee success in another. Far from it. And let’s be clear, these are two different sports -- from the size of the gloves fighters wear, to the size and shape of the ring, to the fact the one sport allows combatants to use their legs to strike.
Think about it, beyond Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders, what other athlete has successfully competed in two sports in the modern age? And Jackson and Sanders both played both baseball and football throughout their high school and college careers before going professional.
Furthermore, it’s not like McGregor would be fighting a good fighter, let alone a mediocre one. He would be fighting the best. To use a bit of an extreme analogy, I happen to be a pretty good golfer. Could I potentially hold my own on one of the second-tier tours? Maybe. But would I be able to compete with Rory McIlroy, Jordan Speith or Sergio Garcia? Of course not. Nor would I think to try.
Now, I know critics will say that I’m only writing this letter because my company is promoting what will be the culmination of an outstanding boxing year when Canelo Alvarez takes on Gennady “GGG” Golovkin in September, and I don’t want anything to distract attention away from that fight.
But my interest is in the health of boxing as a whole. It always has been. And if Floyd were to come out of retirement to take on someone like Keith “One–time” Thurman, Errol Spence or some other top welterweight, not only would I applaud the fight, I’d be the first one on line for a ticket.
That kind of fight is what the fans – and I am a fan first -- deserve.
Which brings me back to the circus.
Floyd’s and Conor’s motivation is clear. It’s money. In fact, they don’t even pretend it’s not. But it’s also a lack of consequences for when the fight ends up being the disaster that is predicted. After this fight, neither of them will need us anymore. Floyd will go back to retirement -- presumably for good this time with another nine-figure paycheck -- and Conor will go back to the UFC.
It’s a win-win for them. It’s a lose-lose for us. We’ll be $100 lighter and we will have squandered another opportunity to bring boxing back to its rightful place as the sport of kings.
At this point, only we can shut the circus down by making it clear that we won’t pay to see a joke of a fight and telling our casual-fan friends that they shouldn’t either.
Sincerely,
Oscar
In return he is beng reminded of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWDTLFtGFHUI write in the hopes that together we can protect the sport of boxing.
With each passing day, it looks more and more likely that the circus known as Floyd Mayweather Vs. Conor McGregor will be coming to town in the near future.
As undercard fights start to take form, athletic commissions give their blessings in exchange for millions of dollars and the fighters start counting even more cash, one group will eventually be left to make sure this farce doesn’t occur.
We, the fans, who are the lifeblood of our sport.
Boxing is starting to dig out of the hole that Floyd and Manny Pacquiao shoveled by waiting seven years to put on a fight that ended up being as dull as it was anti-climactic.
2017 has started off as a banner year for boxing. Joshua vs. Klitschko; Thurman vs. Garcia; Golovkin vs. Jacobs; Canelo vs. Chavez. All four of these fights – and many more -- have brought the fight game back and reinvigorated interest from the ever-elusive casual fan.
But if you thought Mayweather/Pacquiao was a black eye for our sport – a matchup between two of the best pound-for-pound fighters that simply didn’t deliver -- just wait until the best boxer of a generation dismantles someone who has never boxed competitively at any level – amateur or professional.
Our sport might not ever recover.
I fully understand the initial attraction from any fan of combat sports. McGregor is almost certainly the best pound-for-pound MMA fighter. Floyd is Floyd — the most dominant boxer of his time.
But success in one sport does not guarantee success in another. Far from it. And let’s be clear, these are two different sports -- from the size of the gloves fighters wear, to the size and shape of the ring, to the fact the one sport allows combatants to use their legs to strike.
Think about it, beyond Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders, what other athlete has successfully competed in two sports in the modern age? And Jackson and Sanders both played both baseball and football throughout their high school and college careers before going professional.
Furthermore, it’s not like McGregor would be fighting a good fighter, let alone a mediocre one. He would be fighting the best. To use a bit of an extreme analogy, I happen to be a pretty good golfer. Could I potentially hold my own on one of the second-tier tours? Maybe. But would I be able to compete with Rory McIlroy, Jordan Speith or Sergio Garcia? Of course not. Nor would I think to try.
Now, I know critics will say that I’m only writing this letter because my company is promoting what will be the culmination of an outstanding boxing year when Canelo Alvarez takes on Gennady “GGG” Golovkin in September, and I don’t want anything to distract attention away from that fight.
But my interest is in the health of boxing as a whole. It always has been. And if Floyd were to come out of retirement to take on someone like Keith “One–time” Thurman, Errol Spence or some other top welterweight, not only would I applaud the fight, I’d be the first one on line for a ticket.
That kind of fight is what the fans – and I am a fan first -- deserve.
Which brings me back to the circus.
Floyd’s and Conor’s motivation is clear. It’s money. In fact, they don’t even pretend it’s not. But it’s also a lack of consequences for when the fight ends up being the disaster that is predicted. After this fight, neither of them will need us anymore. Floyd will go back to retirement -- presumably for good this time with another nine-figure paycheck -- and Conor will go back to the UFC.
It’s a win-win for them. It’s a lose-lose for us. We’ll be $100 lighter and we will have squandered another opportunity to bring boxing back to its rightful place as the sport of kings.
At this point, only we can shut the circus down by making it clear that we won’t pay to see a joke of a fight and telling our casual-fan friends that they shouldn’t either.
Sincerely,
Oscar
Yiliterate said:
For me, it's a toss-up between Crawford and Lomachenko for the p4p top spot (as good as Ward, Golovkin and Chocolatito are)...
Beltran delivered KO of the year (so far)! I'd really like him to finally get hold of a world title as that decision against Burns was a travesty (brave though Burns was, fighting on with that broken jaw), then got the stty end of the stick again when his promoters decided to give Crawford next crack at the WBO title rather than Beltran getting the rematch. That said, the BoxNation commentators seem to be casting some doubts as to how Beltran could continue to box at that level given his advancing years...
trying to not think about amateur achievements for a minute and concentrate on pro performances i have loma a little bit ahead....Beltran delivered KO of the year (so far)! I'd really like him to finally get hold of a world title as that decision against Burns was a travesty (brave though Burns was, fighting on with that broken jaw), then got the s
tty end of the stick again when his promoters decided to give Crawford next crack at the WBO title rather than Beltran getting the rematch. That said, the BoxNation commentators seem to be casting some doubts as to how Beltran could continue to box at that level given his advancing years...crawford's best wins for me were postol,burns and gamboa(but he had lost his way a bit by the time he fought crawford)
lomachenko's best wins were russell jr, sosa,martinez and walters.....martinez and walters particularly impressive for me.....
loma has done that in 9 fights , crawford in 31 .....
beltran WAS getting it handed to him the other night before sparking the guy....but i defo want him to get a belt before he goes as he's been arouind for years and deserves a bauble
hyphen said:
Brook V Spence day has arrived!!!
In other news:
"it's ok for me and my guy to earn millions beating up on a guy who isn't a boxer....but fIn other news:
Open letter from Oscar De La Hoya said:
To my fellow #boxing fans:
I write in the hopes that together we can protect the sport of boxing.
With each passing day, it looks more and more likely that the circus known as Floyd Mayweather Vs. Conor McGregor will be coming to town in the near future.
As undercard fights start to take form, athletic commissions give their blessings in exchange for millions of dollars and the fighters start counting even more cash, one group will eventually be left to make sure this farce doesn’t occur.
We, the fans, who are the lifeblood of our sport.
Boxing is starting to dig out of the hole that Floyd and Manny Pacquiao shoveled by waiting seven years to put on a fight that ended up being as dull as it was anti-climactic.
2017 has started off as a banner year for boxing. Joshua vs. Klitschko; Thurman vs. Garcia; Golovkin vs. Jacobs; Canelo vs. Chavez. All four of these fights – and many more -- have brought the fight game back and reinvigorated interest from the ever-elusive casual fan.
But if you thought Mayweather/Pacquiao was a black eye for our sport – a matchup between two of the best pound-for-pound fighters that simply didn’t deliver -- just wait until the best boxer of a generation dismantles someone who has never boxed competitively at any level – amateur or professional.
Our sport might not ever recover.
I fully understand the initial attraction from any fan of combat sports. McGregor is almost certainly the best pound-for-pound MMA fighter. Floyd is Floyd — the most dominant boxer of his time.
But success in one sport does not guarantee success in another. Far from it. And let’s be clear, these are two different sports -- from the size of the gloves fighters wear, to the size and shape of the ring, to the fact the one sport allows combatants to use their legs to strike.
Think about it, beyond Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders, what other athlete has successfully competed in two sports in the modern age? And Jackson and Sanders both played both baseball and football throughout their high school and college careers before going professional.
Furthermore, it’s not like McGregor would be fighting a good fighter, let alone a mediocre one. He would be fighting the best. To use a bit of an extreme analogy, I happen to be a pretty good golfer. Could I potentially hold my own on one of the second-tier tours? Maybe. But would I be able to compete with Rory McIlroy, Jordan Speith or Sergio Garcia? Of course not. Nor would I think to try.
Now, I know critics will say that I’m only writing this letter because my company is promoting what will be the culmination of an outstanding boxing year when Canelo Alvarez takes on Gennady “GGG” Golovkin in September, and I don’t want anything to distract attention away from that fight.
But my interest is in the health of boxing as a whole. It always has been. And if Floyd were to come out of retirement to take on someone like Keith “One–time” Thurman, Errol Spence or some other top welterweight, not only would I applaud the fight, I’d be the first one on line for a ticket.
That kind of fight is what the fans – and I am a fan first -- deserve.
Which brings me back to the circus.
Floyd’s and Conor’s motivation is clear. It’s money. In fact, they don’t even pretend it’s not. But it’s also a lack of consequences for when the fight ends up being the disaster that is predicted. After this fight, neither of them will need us anymore. Floyd will go back to retirement -- presumably for good this time with another nine-figure paycheck -- and Conor will go back to the UFC.
It’s a win-win for them. It’s a lose-lose for us. We’ll be $100 lighter and we will have squandered another opportunity to bring boxing back to its rightful place as the sport of kings.
At this point, only we can shut the circus down by making it clear that we won’t pay to see a joke of a fight and telling our casual-fan friends that they shouldn’t either.
Sincerely,
Oscar
In return he is beng reminded of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWDTLFtGFHUI write in the hopes that together we can protect the sport of boxing.
With each passing day, it looks more and more likely that the circus known as Floyd Mayweather Vs. Conor McGregor will be coming to town in the near future.
As undercard fights start to take form, athletic commissions give their blessings in exchange for millions of dollars and the fighters start counting even more cash, one group will eventually be left to make sure this farce doesn’t occur.
We, the fans, who are the lifeblood of our sport.
Boxing is starting to dig out of the hole that Floyd and Manny Pacquiao shoveled by waiting seven years to put on a fight that ended up being as dull as it was anti-climactic.
2017 has started off as a banner year for boxing. Joshua vs. Klitschko; Thurman vs. Garcia; Golovkin vs. Jacobs; Canelo vs. Chavez. All four of these fights – and many more -- have brought the fight game back and reinvigorated interest from the ever-elusive casual fan.
But if you thought Mayweather/Pacquiao was a black eye for our sport – a matchup between two of the best pound-for-pound fighters that simply didn’t deliver -- just wait until the best boxer of a generation dismantles someone who has never boxed competitively at any level – amateur or professional.
Our sport might not ever recover.
I fully understand the initial attraction from any fan of combat sports. McGregor is almost certainly the best pound-for-pound MMA fighter. Floyd is Floyd — the most dominant boxer of his time.
But success in one sport does not guarantee success in another. Far from it. And let’s be clear, these are two different sports -- from the size of the gloves fighters wear, to the size and shape of the ring, to the fact the one sport allows combatants to use their legs to strike.
Think about it, beyond Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders, what other athlete has successfully competed in two sports in the modern age? And Jackson and Sanders both played both baseball and football throughout their high school and college careers before going professional.
Furthermore, it’s not like McGregor would be fighting a good fighter, let alone a mediocre one. He would be fighting the best. To use a bit of an extreme analogy, I happen to be a pretty good golfer. Could I potentially hold my own on one of the second-tier tours? Maybe. But would I be able to compete with Rory McIlroy, Jordan Speith or Sergio Garcia? Of course not. Nor would I think to try.
Now, I know critics will say that I’m only writing this letter because my company is promoting what will be the culmination of an outstanding boxing year when Canelo Alvarez takes on Gennady “GGG” Golovkin in September, and I don’t want anything to distract attention away from that fight.
But my interest is in the health of boxing as a whole. It always has been. And if Floyd were to come out of retirement to take on someone like Keith “One–time” Thurman, Errol Spence or some other top welterweight, not only would I applaud the fight, I’d be the first one on line for a ticket.
That kind of fight is what the fans – and I am a fan first -- deserve.
Which brings me back to the circus.
Floyd’s and Conor’s motivation is clear. It’s money. In fact, they don’t even pretend it’s not. But it’s also a lack of consequences for when the fight ends up being the disaster that is predicted. After this fight, neither of them will need us anymore. Floyd will go back to retirement -- presumably for good this time with another nine-figure paycheck -- and Conor will go back to the UFC.
It’s a win-win for them. It’s a lose-lose for us. We’ll be $100 lighter and we will have squandered another opportunity to bring boxing back to its rightful place as the sport of kings.
At this point, only we can shut the circus down by making it clear that we won’t pay to see a joke of a fight and telling our casual-fan friends that they shouldn’t either.
Sincerely,
Oscar
k floyd and his greed!"
FredClogs said:
I'm not sure Brook is the same underdog Calzaghe was, it'll be no surprise how ever he wins, in fact I think on balance from what I've read across the opinions its 50/50 but Spence is coming to Kell's backyard which is massive.
i think kell's movement will be the key...unless he's emptied the tank getting down to weltertuscaneer said:
FredClogs said:
I'm not sure Brook is the same underdog Calzaghe was, it'll be no surprise how ever he wins, in fact I think on balance from what I've read across the opinions its 50/50 but Spence is coming to Kell's backyard which is massive.
i think kell's movement will be the key...unless he's emptied the tank getting down to welterAlso Sky need to hire Thurman, he would be brilliant as a commentator. Here is his take on Brook vs Spence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLZ9FA0GAzE
Edited by hyphen on Friday 26th May 09:47
Very excited for this one.
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