The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
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Juanco20 said:
Hardly troubled by Brook and just knew he had to make it in to the later rounds and his extra quality and fitness would tell. Dominated from round 6
Might just be me, but after all the hype, I was expecting more than I saw- a total domination perhaps. Spence is 27, he isn't a kid.Will be interesting to see if he does unify the division and dominate for many years.
Edited by hyphen on Saturday 27th May 23:56
hyphen said:
Interesting comments from Bellew, psychologically defeated from the GGG injury and the surgery for that - worried abut going blind?
Indeed.Look. I'm a lover not a fighter. I've never stood in a ring. And I appreciate Kell had taken some punishment to his eye... But I'm uncomfortable with him taking a knee.
There, I said it.
Obviously Spence was in the ascendancy at that stage and had in fact been from probably the 6th, but to just take a knee? It had been a good fight up until that point with an ebb and flow. It looked like it was going against Kell but this is boxing and you never know what will happen when a shot lands.
Mojooo said:
Easy for you to say when a) he probably risked a heavy knockout coz he couldn't see and b) no doubt flashbacks of surgery came back and he doesn't want to do it again.
It was brave in that it took balls to quit and put his health/family first knowing that his whole town was there supporting him and he would get flak from the boxing community for a while after. If he was genuinely concerned then it was the right decision and good on him, lived to fight another day. Just hope he made a lot of money from the GGG fight for the damage it has done.
Mojooo said:
Easy for you to say
I know that mate. I've never been in a ring, could never get in a ring. Can't talk with the authority or knowledge that we enjoy on this thread regarding the technicalities of fighting, and thanks to the many threadists who know their onions and share their insight.
And I really do thank them for their knowledge and input.
But the way Kell just gave in tonight... I think he should have shown more. He only had a GGG loss on his record so to give it up so easily... Hmmm.
hornetrider said:
Indeed.
Look. I'm a lover not a fighter. I've never stood in a ring. And I appreciate Kell had taken some punishment to his eye... But I'm uncomfortable with him taking a knee.
There, I said it.
Obviously Spence was in the ascendancy at that stage and had in fact been from probably the 6th, but to just take a knee? It had been a good fight up until that point with an ebb and flow. It looked like it was going against Kell but this is boxing and you never know what will happen when a shot lands.
From a fan perspective (and a very selfish perspective) I know what you mean. However, there's a fair chance that taking any more of those power shots to his eye would have rendered him blind and his career would be over as a consequence.Look. I'm a lover not a fighter. I've never stood in a ring. And I appreciate Kell had taken some punishment to his eye... But I'm uncomfortable with him taking a knee.
There, I said it.
Obviously Spence was in the ascendancy at that stage and had in fact been from probably the 6th, but to just take a knee? It had been a good fight up until that point with an ebb and flow. It looked like it was going against Kell but this is boxing and you never know what will happen when a shot lands.
No-one can say that he bottled it. He fought his heart out despite being knackered and hurt. I truly believe that if not for the eye, he would have gone out on his shield.
Well I enjoyed the boxing. Groves really turned it on when he had to and despite Bellews odd assessment on Sky I thought he did a great job. Post fight comments from him showed a real really mature and far more likeable side and hopefully he has a few more wins before he quits.
Brook should get credit for not blaming the weight loss in the post fight interview but as soon as he tired he was up against it. He needs to move up in weight or quit as he can't do the weight and ran out of gas. No disgrace losing to Spence though who looked the business. You can tell when some people walk to the ring that they are going to perform and he has that look.
Some good night's to come and really feels like it's a good time time for boxing.
Brook should get credit for not blaming the weight loss in the post fight interview but as soon as he tired he was up against it. He needs to move up in weight or quit as he can't do the weight and ran out of gas. No disgrace losing to Spence though who looked the business. You can tell when some people walk to the ring that they are going to perform and he has that look.
Some good night's to come and really feels like it's a good time time for boxing.
hornetrider said:
Indeed.
Look. I'm a lover not a fighter. I've never stood in a ring. And I appreciate Kell had taken some punishment to his eye... But I'm uncomfortable with him taking a knee.
There, I said it.
Me too, I think Kell was a round or twp up at the half way point, but he seems to have been a bit off all week and I think he lost all confidence in his body, not just the eye. I thought the extra energy from the crowd would push him on but it seems to have done the opposite. Spence had am excellent fight and looks to be the real deal, it would be amazing if he could unify such a strong and talented division.Look. I'm a lover not a fighter. I've never stood in a ring. And I appreciate Kell had taken some punishment to his eye... But I'm uncomfortable with him taking a knee.
There, I said it.
Part of me hope this will end Kells career, he certainly much less marketable now, had he been knocked out or the corner stopped it or even quit on the stool it wouldn't have been so bad but boxing is a blood and guts sport and giving up is not what people want see.
Personally, I'm inclined to give Brook the benefit of the doubt. I've seen nothing in Brook to date to suggest he's lacking in courage...not just in the ring but the way he came back from that machete assault that could have easily cost him his leg and potentially his life. I'm not sure what was in his thinking when taking a knee, but if I'm right about his heart, I'd say it was probably a tougher option for him to take than just fighting on and accepting more punishment.
Where Kell goes from here...well, I think that'll be very much dependent on the extent of the eye injury, but let's assume for the time being that he can continue to fight. My gut feel is the heat has gone out of Brook-Khan for the time being; Brook has just lost two on the bounce while Khan hasn't held a world title for five-odd years and it's two years since he last won a fight of any description. For this to come back into play, certainly as a Wembley-sized fight, I think both men now have to do something significant and positive. For example, were Khan to avenge his loss to Lamont Petersen (which nominally gets him a world title as well) and Brook collects either a belt or a name (e.g. Cotto) at 154lbs, then a fight suddenly has a completely different feel from the prospect at this moment in time...
On the subject of courage, I'd say that George Groves' performance last night was one of the most courageous displays I can recall having seen in any ring. But this time, it was mental courage rather than physical. For the first five rounds, he had to face the demon of his first world title losses; being in with an opponent that seemed to be impervious to punishment, no matter what Groves hit him with...indeed, at least with Froch, he knew he could hurt him even if he couldn't get him out of there, whereas Chudinov seemed to give no sign that Groves could hurt him at all.
Then, in the sixth, he had to face the demon of his last fight...to win, he had to batter Chudinov in the same manner as he did Eduard Gutknecht. Eubank was never the same fighter after Watson, McGuigan almost walked away from the sport after Young Ali...and as his post-fight interview illustrated, what happened following his last fight has been with Groves every day since; he was on the verge of breaking down when talking about it and dedicating the fight to Gutknecht. I said a few days ago the big unknown for me was how he would cope with that situation; well, last night he faced that fear and did what he needed to do. I take my hat off to him for that, I really do...
Where Kell goes from here...well, I think that'll be very much dependent on the extent of the eye injury, but let's assume for the time being that he can continue to fight. My gut feel is the heat has gone out of Brook-Khan for the time being; Brook has just lost two on the bounce while Khan hasn't held a world title for five-odd years and it's two years since he last won a fight of any description. For this to come back into play, certainly as a Wembley-sized fight, I think both men now have to do something significant and positive. For example, were Khan to avenge his loss to Lamont Petersen (which nominally gets him a world title as well) and Brook collects either a belt or a name (e.g. Cotto) at 154lbs, then a fight suddenly has a completely different feel from the prospect at this moment in time...
On the subject of courage, I'd say that George Groves' performance last night was one of the most courageous displays I can recall having seen in any ring. But this time, it was mental courage rather than physical. For the first five rounds, he had to face the demon of his first world title losses; being in with an opponent that seemed to be impervious to punishment, no matter what Groves hit him with...indeed, at least with Froch, he knew he could hurt him even if he couldn't get him out of there, whereas Chudinov seemed to give no sign that Groves could hurt him at all.
Then, in the sixth, he had to face the demon of his last fight...to win, he had to batter Chudinov in the same manner as he did Eduard Gutknecht. Eubank was never the same fighter after Watson, McGuigan almost walked away from the sport after Young Ali...and as his post-fight interview illustrated, what happened following his last fight has been with Groves every day since; he was on the verge of breaking down when talking about it and dedicating the fight to Gutknecht. I said a few days ago the big unknown for me was how he would cope with that situation; well, last night he faced that fear and did what he needed to do. I take my hat off to him for that, I really do...
Amirhussain said:
Groves v DeGale anytime soon?
Not really sure. In theory it's an obvious fight, but there's this proposed 8-man tournament for the Super-Middleweights in the offing (as well as the Cruiserweights), so it might depend on whether they both sign up to participate in that. Also, I think DeGale is still recovering from shoulder surgery anyway, then apparently the IBF want him to fight interim champion Andre Dirrell next; likewise the WBA have been making noises about their own 'unification' between the 'super' and 'regular' belt holders.As such, that could mean a DeGale/Groves unification fight wouldn't be viable until next year (particularly if they're looking at a stadium show, given there's probably not much point in taking two West London boys down to Cardiff), even if you were to take the tournament out of the equation...
I think this is it for Brook. 2 big hitters in a row causing lasting damage. Not sure his team are going to want him in the ring with a power fighter again any time soon. No chance they'll put him in for the GGG rematch he wanted (naturally, Hearn will). Such a shame Hearn put him in with GGG in the first place. Khan still interests me as a fight, but not for £16 quid.
He would be fine with Khan as he is hardly heavy handed. The weight they fight at may be an issue as no doubt Khan will want most of the cash now.
I think he either needs to step up in weight (I'd do that) or accept his last big pay day is Khan.
He's a good fighter and hopefully the GGG fight was a big pay day as it's ruined him.
I think he either needs to step up in weight (I'd do that) or accept his last big pay day is Khan.
He's a good fighter and hopefully the GGG fight was a big pay day as it's ruined him.
Groves vs De Gale is an obvious blockbuster, massive UK fight, and also one for the boxing master minds to really wax lyrical and dissect because stylistically they're both pretty obtuse.
I don't know what Khan has planned for his career, he could well want to fight Kell now, Kell having been shown to have weakness.
I don't know what Khan has planned for his career, he could well want to fight Kell now, Kell having been shown to have weakness.
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