The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
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uk66fastback said:
FredClogs said:
He could be like a big bearded Prince Naseem and whilst there's no doubt Floyd is the better boxer, it's very possible Conor will starch him in my opinion by throwing something big from out of range, it shouldn't happen - but it's possible.
I HAVE to quote that - unbelievable!Edited by FredClogs on Thursday 15th June 23:41
You honestly think CM will throw some big haymaker and catch MM flush on the jaw - Fred, you've been smokin' some funny stuff.
Conor doesn't throw haymakers, but he has a laser guided left hand, watch his highlight reel, an MMA "octogon" is huge in comparison to a boxing ring, but he has the ability to cover much more ground and throw his left than any conventional boxer would try... Can Mayweather avoid it? Probably, but there is a question mark for me., I don't think its a forgone conclusion.
With ANY fight with just two boxers in (I use that term loosely where CM is concerned) - it is possible to have a range of final outcomes.
I know not that much about boxing, and hardly anything about MMA/UFC ... BUT the facts speak for themselves. Mayweather is undefeated in 49 fights - and he has fought and knocked out top, top fighters. And he is unmarked, meaning his defensive skills are such that even against the best, he seems to take no punches.
And yet a guy who has a pro boxing record of 0 and 0 could beat him? It doesn't stack up does it.
From the little I have seen of UFC fights, a couple of punches and the other bloke goes down and it's stopped. I can't remember many where people trade toe-to-toe for round after round ) correct me if I am wrong). They're not wearing gloves of course - and these fights aren't boxing-type fights I know ...
I know not that much about boxing, and hardly anything about MMA/UFC ... BUT the facts speak for themselves. Mayweather is undefeated in 49 fights - and he has fought and knocked out top, top fighters. And he is unmarked, meaning his defensive skills are such that even against the best, he seems to take no punches.
And yet a guy who has a pro boxing record of 0 and 0 could beat him? It doesn't stack up does it.
From the little I have seen of UFC fights, a couple of punches and the other bloke goes down and it's stopped. I can't remember many where people trade toe-to-toe for round after round ) correct me if I am wrong). They're not wearing gloves of course - and these fights aren't boxing-type fights I know ...
Edited by uk66fastback on Friday 16th June 13:43
CanningTown said:
His footwork and head movement are appalling. His face will get cut to ribbons by Mayweather.
I am by no mean a boxing purist but I was luck enough to watch Hatton spa and train in the immediate run up to his fight with Mayweather.He looked awesome - strong fast and unbeatable.
We went over to Vegas thinking he was going to deliver an upset.
Within about 2 minutes it was obvious Mayweather was playing a different game.
I can't see how CM can get near him unless he goes dirty and is allowed to get away with it.
George Groves has signed up for the 8-man Super-Middleweight tournament:
https://www.boxing247.com/press-boxing/george-grov...
Interesting...maybe he's secured first mover advantage here; bringing his belt and his name to the tournament will make it easier for the organisers to attract other stars of the division and make it into the spectacle they are envisioning. In committing to this, Groves has potentially passed up the opportunity of directly negotiating a big-money unification fight with DeGale; i.e. for this to happen now - at least in the next 12-18 months - it requires DeGale to sign up as well (and given he will be out for some time, that's not a foregone conclusion) and for them both to hang on to their belts until such point as they meet. As such, you'd have to assume Groves has been given a pretty hefty incentive to take that risk and sign on the dotted line...
https://www.boxing247.com/press-boxing/george-grov...
Interesting...maybe he's secured first mover advantage here; bringing his belt and his name to the tournament will make it easier for the organisers to attract other stars of the division and make it into the spectacle they are envisioning. In committing to this, Groves has potentially passed up the opportunity of directly negotiating a big-money unification fight with DeGale; i.e. for this to happen now - at least in the next 12-18 months - it requires DeGale to sign up as well (and given he will be out for some time, that's not a foregone conclusion) and for them both to hang on to their belts until such point as they meet. As such, you'd have to assume Groves has been given a pretty hefty incentive to take that risk and sign on the dotted line...
desolate said:
I can't see how CM can get near him unless he goes dirty and is allowed to get away with it.
It's not about McGregor getting anywhere near Mayweather, its all about the money. Four years ago McGregor was on the dole, I think he received €20k for his first pro fight, his next and probably last fight he will receive somewhere in the region of 100 million dollars. I don't know how he has managed to pull it off.Yiliterate said:
George Groves has signed up for the 8-man Super-Middleweight tournament:
https://www.boxing247.com/press-boxing/george-grov...
Interesting...maybe he's secured first mover advantage here; bringing his belt and his name to the tournament will make it easier for the organisers to attract other stars of the division and make it into the spectacle they are envisioning. In committing to this, Groves has potentially passed up the opportunity of directly negotiating a big-money unification fight with DeGale; i.e. for this to happen now - at least in the next 12-18 months - it requires DeGale to sign up as well (and given he will be out for some time, that's not a foregone conclusion) and for them both to hang on to their belts until such point as they meet. As such, you'd have to assume Groves has been given a pretty hefty incentive to take that risk and sign on the dotted line...
When they did the " super six" they all fought each other didn't they? Thus 5 fights, chuffing hard ones as well for Froch especially. Is this the same format? I cant see Groves coming through 7 hard fights unscathed, he's already looking a bit of a changed man, De Gale too, maybe that's just age and the recent experiences. Or will it be a knock out format, a quarter, semi and final bout?https://www.boxing247.com/press-boxing/george-grov...
Interesting...maybe he's secured first mover advantage here; bringing his belt and his name to the tournament will make it easier for the organisers to attract other stars of the division and make it into the spectacle they are envisioning. In committing to this, Groves has potentially passed up the opportunity of directly negotiating a big-money unification fight with DeGale; i.e. for this to happen now - at least in the next 12-18 months - it requires DeGale to sign up as well (and given he will be out for some time, that's not a foregone conclusion) and for them both to hang on to their belts until such point as they meet. As such, you'd have to assume Groves has been given a pretty hefty incentive to take that risk and sign on the dotted line...
FredClogs said:
When they did the " super six" they all fought each other didn't they? Thus 5 fights, chuffing hard ones as well for Froch especially. Is this the same format? I cant see Groves coming through 7 hard fights unscathed, he's already looking a bit of a changed man, De Gale too, maybe that's just age and the recent experiences. Or will it be a knock out format, a quarter, semi and final bout?
I can't quite remember how the group stage worked in the super six...kind of a round robin I think but not quite. Then there were semi-finals, then the final between Froch and Ward. I think the 8-man tournament is a straight elimination; quarters, semis, then final...but I guess it could be two groups of four round robins, then maybe semis or possibly straight to the final.For the greater part, a really high quality contest and a privilege to watch. Ward, once again though, proved that for all his technical ability he's more than happy to rough it up. Personally, I thought the fight was starting to go in Ward's direction, but he could easily have been pulled up for the low blows, and I'd agree with Malignaggi that, though hurt, it still seemed to be some way off from warranting a stoppage.
I'd really like to see a third instalment, though it wouldn't surprise me to see Ward go after Adonis Stevenson instead (though there are questions over just how interested Stevenson is in that fight)...or maybe even call it quits. It doesn't seem like he's got too much left to prove; unquestionably the best Super-Middleweight of his era and now, despite the controversy, it's hard to argue he isn't the pre-eminent Light-Heavyweight as well. I can't see Ward going to Cruiserweight and I can't see Golovkin going up two divisions to fight Ward either - if Kovalev is his Everest, what else is there left to do...?
I'd really like to see a third instalment, though it wouldn't surprise me to see Ward go after Adonis Stevenson instead (though there are questions over just how interested Stevenson is in that fight)...or maybe even call it quits. It doesn't seem like he's got too much left to prove; unquestionably the best Super-Middleweight of his era and now, despite the controversy, it's hard to argue he isn't the pre-eminent Light-Heavyweight as well. I can't see Ward going to Cruiserweight and I can't see Golovkin going up two divisions to fight Ward either - if Kovalev is his Everest, what else is there left to do...?
That was an interesting fight. Personally, I think it was stopped early, but at the same time, Kovalev didn't protest the stoppage.
As for the low blows, there were a couple. A lot of them were on the belt line. It's not like Kovalev was getting hit in the balls. At some point, you have to take matters in to your own hands. In defense of Ward, there were quite a few headlock type clinches, too. So you wouldn't call it a clean fight from either fighter.
As for the low blows, there were a couple. A lot of them were on the belt line. It's not like Kovalev was getting hit in the balls. At some point, you have to take matters in to your own hands. In defense of Ward, there were quite a few headlock type clinches, too. So you wouldn't call it a clean fight from either fighter.
Ward vs Kovalev was a decent fight (but nothing special), with a bizarre and unsatisfying conclusion.
There were definitely a couple of low blows although they were not the worst you will see and one could arguably be borderline, from what I recall.
Kovalev should have been given an 8 count and allowed to go on, bizarrely he didn't really seem to want to, was he that badly hurt? Was the last low blow lower than it seemed?
A shame it ended in an anticlimax, Ward was was starting to pile on the pressure and his superior stamina could this time have seen a genuine knock out late on.
There were definitely a couple of low blows although they were not the worst you will see and one could arguably be borderline, from what I recall.
Kovalev should have been given an 8 count and allowed to go on, bizarrely he didn't really seem to want to, was he that badly hurt? Was the last low blow lower than it seemed?
A shame it ended in an anticlimax, Ward was was starting to pile on the pressure and his superior stamina could this time have seen a genuine knock out late on.
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