The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
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Swordman said:
What a cracking performance! Groves looked a bit nervous at the end, too. Lol
I think it's either him or Callum Smith that win the tournament. Also, I'm convinced he would beat GGG if they ever fight.
He was totally flummoxed.I think it's either him or Callum Smith that win the tournament. Also, I'm convinced he would beat GGG if they ever fight.
The "how would you rate that performance George" question said it all.
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tting himself was the obvious answer.
Personally, I wouldn't get too excited just yet just on the basis of that performance. Yes, it was a convincing win and certainly his biggest win to date, but Abraham was pretty much tailor-made for Eubank. As per usual, most of the time he presented a static target (albeit a well covered-up one...fighting Abraham must be like trying to fight a tortoise who has withdrawn into his shell) and his offence only came in short, sporadic bursts. Eubank couldn't really ask for more to allow him to showcase both his shot vatiety and his defensive prowess. I think we'll learn a lot more about Eubank's progress when we next see him in with a top-tier opponent who has decent movement and doesn't allow him breathing space/the luxury of time (i.e. the tactics Billy Joe Saunders used to good effect). I haven't seen him fight yet, but Eubank's first opponent in the World Boxing Super Series, Avni Yildirim, is supposed to be a pressure fighter, so maybe we'll find out a bit more then.
The one thing that did surprise me, seeing him in the flesh, is just how big Eubank is, especially across the back and shoulders. To me he looked like a fully fledged Super-Middleweight now rather than a Middleweight stepping up. I found that reassuring as the WBSS contains quite a few guys who either have fought at Light-Heavyweight, or look like they could.
ETA: just been having a look at Yildirim on YouTube. Stylistically he looks like a cross between Abraham and Fedor Chudinov...can certainly see why the Eubanks chose him, having just spent the last few weeks preparing for Abraham. Yildirim is a pressure fighter in as much as he keeps moving forward and, metaphorically, likes to sit on his opponent's chest, but his offence doesn't seem to have much in the way of guile (though he looks to have a bit of a dig) while his defence is predominantly the same high, peek-a-boo guard and, well, just absorbing that Eubank faced last night (well, maybe not quite as tight as Abraham's). Eubank should look good against him as long as he's hitting hard enough to earn Yildirim's respect and stop him just ploughing forward with impunity.
The one thing that did surprise me, seeing him in the flesh, is just how big Eubank is, especially across the back and shoulders. To me he looked like a fully fledged Super-Middleweight now rather than a Middleweight stepping up. I found that reassuring as the WBSS contains quite a few guys who either have fought at Light-Heavyweight, or look like they could.
ETA: just been having a look at Yildirim on YouTube. Stylistically he looks like a cross between Abraham and Fedor Chudinov...can certainly see why the Eubanks chose him, having just spent the last few weeks preparing for Abraham. Yildirim is a pressure fighter in as much as he keeps moving forward and, metaphorically, likes to sit on his opponent's chest, but his offence doesn't seem to have much in the way of guile (though he looks to have a bit of a dig) while his defence is predominantly the same high, peek-a-boo guard and, well, just absorbing that Eubank faced last night (well, maybe not quite as tight as Abraham's). Eubank should look good against him as long as he's hitting hard enough to earn Yildirim's respect and stop him just ploughing forward with impunity.
Edited by Yiliterate on Sunday 16th July 10:14
SuperHans. said:
Eubank beating GGG? Give over.
Eubank lost his pen when he had a chance to fight him.
Lost his pen? You mean like how GGG lost his pen in the BJS contract? Let's face it, Eddie Hearn screwed over both Eubank and Brook. As for BJS, he's basically a nobody fighting at leisure centres.Eubank lost his pen when he had a chance to fight him.
GGG also ducked Ward. Go figure.
Anyway, it's all academic at this point. Eubank is in the WBSS, where he's guaranteed a crack at the Groves' Super middleweight belt. GGG isn't the boogeyman people make him out to be. Canelo could possibly retire him, so we'll never know how the fight with Eubank would have gone. However, one thing is for certain; a Super Middleweight belt is more prestigious than a Middleweight belt.
SuperHans. said:
I certainly do not recall GGG ducking BJS! Other way round I remember it. Saunders has the only belt GGG needs, so why would he duck him?
As for Ward there's never been any serious attempts to get him and GGG together AFAIK.
Well it all depends on who you ask. BJS was itching for a GGG fight after GGG fought Danny Jacobs. He has texts from GGG's management showing that contracts were being exchanged and whatnot. Then GGG's team go silent for a few weeks and then announce that he's fighting Canelo. Now we all know he isn't ducking BJS. Canelo is the far more lucrative fight, however, if you ask BJS, GGG lost his pen and he has the evidence to prove it!As for Ward there's never been any serious attempts to get him and GGG together AFAIK.
As for the Ward situation, a couple of years back GGG said that he'd face all challengers up to 168 lbs. Ward said OK, and then we hear nothing from GGG's side.
As good as GGG is, and he is very good, he's made a career out of fighting jabronis. Danny Jacobs took his soul. Let's see how well he does against Canelo.
Good win for Lee Selby last night under very difficult circumstances following the death of his mother last week, him and Frampton would be a super fight Imo and should sell out Wembley stadium but we know it won't.
Eubank Jnr is going to find both Groves and Callum Smith very tough for different reasons, I've got a feeling we may see Callum Smith really make his name in this tournament and quite comfortably win it, he has real stoppage power and is well schooled, as tricky and fast at stringing combos together as Eubank is and he has his dads chin by the looks of it I don't think he has the punching power to scare top fighters and I agree with comment above about that leading left hook he's begging to be stiff armed by someone dinner or later, he does it ton disguise those brutal upper cuts but people have see. It to often now
Eubank Jnr is going to find both Groves and Callum Smith very tough for different reasons, I've got a feeling we may see Callum Smith really make his name in this tournament and quite comfortably win it, he has real stoppage power and is well schooled, as tricky and fast at stringing combos together as Eubank is and he has his dads chin by the looks of it I don't think he has the punching power to scare top fighters and I agree with comment above about that leading left hook he's begging to be stiff armed by someone dinner or later, he does it ton disguise those brutal upper cuts but people have see. It to often now
The Ghost got knocked from pillar to post by Figueroa at the weekend. The guy needs to hang em up now. He used to have an iron chin and now a stiff breeze would knock him over.
http://nypost.com/2017/07/15/ghost-buster-figueroa...
http://nypost.com/2017/07/15/ghost-buster-figueroa...
Make no mistake, Figueroa has very heavy hands. But Guerrero certainly no longer belongs with the big boys of the division and it's probably wise for him to retire before he sustains lasting damage.
The Barrera vs Smith fight was quite a good one to watch. Smith can certainly bang too but I just can't help but feel sorry for the guy as he has a full time job outside of the ring which must make it difficult to fully commit himself. He needs a decent a trainer and needs to not rely on his power so much. Found it a little odd that it was only a 10 rounder though.
As for Eubank Jr beating GGG, I cannot see that happening for the foreseeable future. Abraham is a good win but he is well past his best and offered the perfect style for Eubank to showcase his skill. As I said earlier though, those wild lefts hooks create massive openings and balance issues and keep dropping his left hand guard will get him into bother unless he starts tightening up the defense.
The Barrera vs Smith fight was quite a good one to watch. Smith can certainly bang too but I just can't help but feel sorry for the guy as he has a full time job outside of the ring which must make it difficult to fully commit himself. He needs a decent a trainer and needs to not rely on his power so much. Found it a little odd that it was only a 10 rounder though.
As for Eubank Jr beating GGG, I cannot see that happening for the foreseeable future. Abraham is a good win but he is well past his best and offered the perfect style for Eubank to showcase his skill. As I said earlier though, those wild lefts hooks create massive openings and balance issues and keep dropping his left hand guard will get him into bother unless he starts tightening up the defense.
Yiliterate said:
Swordman said:
However, one thing is for certain; a Super Middleweight belt is more prestigious than a Middleweight belt.
The history of the Middleweight world title stretches back to the 1800s; the first Super-Middleweight world title came along in 1984.
Swordman said:
Yiliterate said:
Swordman said:
However, one thing is for certain; a Super Middleweight belt is more prestigious than a Middleweight belt.
The history of the Middleweight world title stretches back to the 1800s; the first Super-Middleweight world title came along in 1984.
To be fair, in the UK because of the lineage of success we've had at super middle since it was introduced I think we see it with added prestige but the reality is that globally its not that big a deal, no more than any other weight division anyway.
FredClogs said:
Swordman said:
Yiliterate said:
Swordman said:
However, one thing is for certain; a Super Middleweight belt is more prestigious than a Middleweight belt.
The history of the Middleweight world title stretches back to the 1800s; the first Super-Middleweight world title came along in 1984.
To be fair, in the UK because of the lineage of success we've had at super middle since it was introduced I think we see it with added prestige but the reality is that globally its not that big a deal, no more than any other weight division anyway.
Eubank Jr will not beat Golovkin. GGG Will not be overwhelmed with his shots, Jr doesn't have the power to stop him cutting the ring down, and won't be able to throw wild shots due to fear of getting tagged. I'd expect it to be a bit like the Brook fight. A valiant effort with some nice skill on show, but ultimately the power is too much.
In fact, still going out on a limb and saying that Groves Jab and power will nullify Jr and Degale is too awkward and ready to go to war to win.
Although I'm basing this on the fact that Eubanks most impressive fights are when the opponent is inactive, and the assumption that like most boxers, his work rate will fall when getting tagged back. IF somehow he manages to keep that work rate while getting tagged, then that makes him very interesting.
In fact, still going out on a limb and saying that Groves Jab and power will nullify Jr and Degale is too awkward and ready to go to war to win.
Although I'm basing this on the fact that Eubanks most impressive fights are when the opponent is inactive, and the assumption that like most boxers, his work rate will fall when getting tagged back. IF somehow he manages to keep that work rate while getting tagged, then that makes him very interesting.
Swordman said:
FredClogs said:
Swordman said:
Yiliterate said:
Swordman said:
However, one thing is for certain; a Super Middleweight belt is more prestigious than a Middleweight belt.
The history of the Middleweight world title stretches back to the 1800s; the first Super-Middleweight world title came along in 1984.
To be fair, in the UK because of the lineage of success we've had at super middle since it was introduced I think we see it with added prestige but the reality is that globally its not that big a deal, no more than any other weight division anyway.
to extrapolate the curve and use that fight as a measuring stick for his potential performance against a completely different animal in golovkin does GGG a great disservice....and let's not forget eubank plain ducked the golovkin fight...
on to golovkin if i may, i see you stated he ducked ward. no , he said he would go up to 168 but the primary target was to unify the middleweight division first.that mission is still incomplete as he hasn't managed to coax saunders into a fight yet.
i have to call you on the "it's harder to get the super middleweight belt"....what are you on about?..there are weight classes in boxing for a reason. why stop at middleweight? why not just go flat out and go from middle to heavy? what's 7 or 8 stone and about a foot in height between friends??
it's not "harder to get" it's contested for between bigger men.simple.
FredClogs said:
Good win for Lee Selby last night under very difficult circumstances following the death of his mother last week, him and Frampton would be a super fight Imo and should sell out Wembley stadium but we know it won't.
Eubank Jnr is going to find both Groves and Callum Smith very tough for different reasons, I've got a feeling we may see Callum Smith really make his name in this tournament and quite comfortably win it, he has real stoppage power and is well schooled, as tricky and fast at stringing combos together as Eubank is and he has his dads chin by the looks of it I don't think he has the punching power to scare top fighters and I agree with comment above about that leading left hook he's begging to be stiff armed by someone dinner or later, he does it ton disguise those brutal upper cuts but people have see. It to often now
selby frampton has me excited!!Eubank Jnr is going to find both Groves and Callum Smith very tough for different reasons, I've got a feeling we may see Callum Smith really make his name in this tournament and quite comfortably win it, he has real stoppage power and is well schooled, as tricky and fast at stringing combos together as Eubank is and he has his dads chin by the looks of it I don't think he has the punching power to scare top fighters and I agree with comment above about that leading left hook he's begging to be stiff armed by someone dinner or later, he does it ton disguise those brutal upper cuts but people have see. It to often now
can't wait for the super 8.....i see eubank getting past yidirim, and groves and smith getting through theirs.....groves/smith/eubank are going to make some interesting match ups i reckon.
as to the cruisers...obviously, usyk is the #1 seed but i am surprised breidis is #4....i's have him at #2 but in reality he is a good bet as a potential winner!
tuscaneer said:
what??....sorry pal you're not making any sense....i've read what you wroye before regarding eubank and whilst i agree that it was a good performance i'm in agreement with robatron and yiliterate in that it was a good win over a man tailor made for him...the fact he was 37 made him an even more static target than he was in his prime....
to extrapolate the curve and use that fight as a measuring stick for his potential performance against a completely different animal in golovkin does GGG a great disservice....and let's not forget eubank plain ducked the golovkin fight...
on to golovkin if i may, i see you stated he ducked ward. no , he said he would go up to 168 but the primary target was to unify the middleweight division first.that mission is still incomplete as he hasn't managed to coax saunders into a fight yet.
i have to call you on the "it's harder to get the super middleweight belt"....what are you on about?..there are weight classes in boxing for a reason. why stop at middleweight? why not just go flat out and go from middle to heavy? what's 7 or 8 stone and about a foot in height between friends??
it's not "harder to get" it's contested for between bigger men.simple.
No, Eubank didn't duck GGG, Eddie Hearn screwed him over and decided to feed Brook to the wolves. If you think like that, you have to concede that GGG ducked BJS, especially since you mentioned his primary mission is to unify the division. It's not that he couldn't coax BJS into a fight, it's that he decided to fight Canelo (who has no belts) instead of unifying. BJS even has texts from GGG's team proving it.to extrapolate the curve and use that fight as a measuring stick for his potential performance against a completely different animal in golovkin does GGG a great disservice....and let's not forget eubank plain ducked the golovkin fight...
on to golovkin if i may, i see you stated he ducked ward. no , he said he would go up to 168 but the primary target was to unify the middleweight division first.that mission is still incomplete as he hasn't managed to coax saunders into a fight yet.
i have to call you on the "it's harder to get the super middleweight belt"....what are you on about?..there are weight classes in boxing for a reason. why stop at middleweight? why not just go flat out and go from middle to heavy? what's 7 or 8 stone and about a foot in height between friends??
it's not "harder to get" it's contested for between bigger men.simple.
And yes, GGG did duck Ward. He isssued an open challenge to anyone up to 168. When Ward answered, his team started to make up lies as if Ward didn't want the fight. Eventually, GGG went on record to say that Ward wasn't his primary focus. AKA he ducked him.
And we can argue about the divisions 'til the cows come home. Put it like this. It's easier for Pacquiao to get the Welterweight belt than it is for him to get the Heavyweight belt. If he wants to challenge for the Heavyweight belt, theoretically, he could. Many heavyweight champs in the past were actually light heavyweights. It didn't stop them from competing.
Let's not pretend that the Minimum weight champion of the World is as prestigious as the Heavyweight champion.
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