The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
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and for such a relative novice here he is sparring arguably the 2nd or 3rd (depending on your viewpoint) best middleweight on the planet in daniel jacobs....
holding his own!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnAxp3lDrNA
and here is the highlights of the johnson fight that raised a few eyebrows as johnson was being touted as the favourite going in..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=denTbOuKTsA
holding his own!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnAxp3lDrNA
and here is the highlights of the johnson fight that raised a few eyebrows as johnson was being touted as the favourite going in..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=denTbOuKTsA
tuscaneer said:
Yes he's something special, amazing how easy it all looks when you see him just landing straight right hands at will, he looks like a character from a computer game, shame no one will be able to say his name properly in the west reallyi remember frank maloney predicting the eastern bloc would dominate boxing once participants were able to compete professionally and he reckoned that by the end of the first decade of the 21st century they would be running the game.....it hasn't quite happened yet but glancing through all the divisions you would expect them to feature heavily in (ignoring the south east asian dominance of the tiny weights) he wasn't far off the mark back in the 90s!!
Watched a thing about Deontay Wilder on SkySportsMix last night. To be honest I don't know much about him other than the number of wins by KO.
He seems to try a bit too hard with 'the talk'.
So what's the consensus, is he a bit of a dick and has he only been fighting tomato cans up to now?
He seems to try a bit too hard with 'the talk'.
So what's the consensus, is he a bit of a dick and has he only been fighting tomato cans up to now?
i've warmed to him......incredible power but the technique of a new born giraffe ....it's no coincidence that every serious camp he has been a sparring partner in he has been hammered..there's video footage on youtube of david haye dropping him with a jab. he had to leave austria early during one of wlad's camps because he was unconscious for minutes...
if you look down his record there isn't really one credible, dangerous rated opponent on there. ortiz may clean his clock but at this age i have a feeling he may be in there for the payday.......... he's gone from looking brilliant ( knockouts over guys like bryant jennings) to looking very ordinary over the last year or 2.
i won't be shocked if either of them win at this point. joshua would/should wipe him out. so would povetkin and pulev would outpoint him i reckon
if you look down his record there isn't really one credible, dangerous rated opponent on there. ortiz may clean his clock but at this age i have a feeling he may be in there for the payday.......... he's gone from looking brilliant ( knockouts over guys like bryant jennings) to looking very ordinary over the last year or 2.
i won't be shocked if either of them win at this point. joshua would/should wipe him out. so would povetkin and pulev would outpoint him i reckon
JuniorD said:
So what's the consensus, is he a bit of a dick and has he only been fighting tomato cans up to now?
38 wins is still 38 wins even if not against any recognized big names, however he should have stepped up a long time ago. If he makes it past Ortiz then hopefully the AJ fight will answer that.The thing with Wilder is that he is very athletic, I could see him using a gameplan of running from a quality opponent, and unlike others such as Fury or BJS, who don't pose a danger, he also has KO power to go with his movement so his opponent would have to be cautious, and also Wilder wouldn't be reliant on a points victory as there is a chance of a KO later when his opponent is tired and taking risks.
That makes him freakishly dangerous, if he trades with AJ then suspect he will go down quick but a gameplan could give him a strong chance.
He has to get past ortiz first though.
I wouldn's say a dick either, the trash talk is to get a larger share of the AJ purse, if you read his more in-depth interviews he comes across a lot better.
Edited by hyphen on Friday 2nd March 11:13
He seemed very reasonable when Sky had him doing punditry for the AJ vlad fight. I like him and what I've seen of Ortiz recently (Malik Scott and Dave Allen) i don't think Wilder has.much to worry about, although being Cuban you never really know how hard they're trying they tend to coast when they think they're on top.
Wilder is definitely the box office draw state side and AJ vs Wilder for a unification will be a huge deal.
Wilder is definitely the box office draw state side and AJ vs Wilder for a unification will be a huge deal.
I'm starting to realise that how well you do in sparring is inversely related to how well you do in actual contests...
In the gym, Deontay Wilder (heavyweight world champion for 3 years and counting and so far making 6 successful defences) got battered by David Haye (heavyweight world champion for <2 years with 2 successful defences), who in turn was apparently given a going over by a 'green' David Price (recently seen coming runner-up in a contest for the WBO European Heavyweight title). Then you have AJ - unified heavyweight champion of the world - whom it is rumoured has been sparked by every heavyweight down to, but not including, our very own tuscaneer (sorry buddy but got to draw the line somewhere
)...!!!
In the gym, Deontay Wilder (heavyweight world champion for 3 years and counting and so far making 6 successful defences) got battered by David Haye (heavyweight world champion for <2 years with 2 successful defences), who in turn was apparently given a going over by a 'green' David Price (recently seen coming runner-up in a contest for the WBO European Heavyweight title). Then you have AJ - unified heavyweight champion of the world - whom it is rumoured has been sparked by every heavyweight down to, but not including, our very own tuscaneer (sorry buddy but got to draw the line somewhere
)...!!!FredClogs said:
He seemed very reasonable when Sky had him doing punditry for the AJ vlad fight. I like him and what I've seen of Ortiz recently (Malik Scott and Dave Allen) i don't think Wilder has.much to worry about, although being Cuban you never really know how hard they're trying they tend to coast when they think they're on top.
Agreed - when I saw Ortiz fight on the undercard of GGG-Lemieux, he looked an absolute beast...the last couple of fights I've seen he's looked slow, plodding and frankly short of ideas...but like you say that might be because he'd figured out he could win without getting out of first gear.FredClogs said:
Wilder is definitely the box office draw state side and AJ vs Wilder for a unification will be a huge deal.
Not so sure about this one. This weekend's fight is arguably the biggest and most eagerly anticipated contest for a US heavyweight since Tyson-Lewis (I'm leaving aside RJJ against Ruiz here) but it's NOT on PPV. To me, that speaks volumes....Ahem...
https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/2/23/17043980/wil...
This week Stephen Espinosa of ESPN said:
Between those two fights we will be featuring all four of the best heavyweights in the world, all four world championships and a combined record among those four fighters of 111 wins, 0 losses, 100 knockouts.
On 15th January no less Yiliterate said:
So, the two recently-announced world heavyweight title contests feature fighters with a combined record of 111 wins and 0 losses, with 100 of those wins coming by KO.
Well, I’ve known it worse in the division...
Well, I’ve known it worse in the division...
https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/2/23/17043980/wil...
hyphen said:
Yiliterate said:
This weekend's fight is arguably the biggest and most eagerly anticipated contest for a US heavyweight since Tyson-Lewis
Not sure I would go that far.Plus if Kell's fight is on PPV, people won't want to pay for both.
I'm not talking about over here mate; in the US. So which heavyweight fight featuring a US fighter has been bigger since then...?
ETA - Also, Brook's fight isn't PPV
Edited by Yiliterate on Friday 2nd March 12:23
hyphen said:
Surely the Wilder Stiverne first fight generated more excitement at the time over there? than against Ortiz now.
Stiverne had virtually zero reputation/profile being a Canadian/Haitian fighter who had picked up a vacant belt, while Wilder was even less recognised then than he is now because he hadn't been world champion for the previous three years...and there wasn't the prospect of that fight setting up a 4-belt heavyweight unification either. Not for me...hyphen said:
JuniorD said:
So what's the consensus, is he a bit of a dick and has he only been fighting tomato cans up to now?
38 wins is still 38 wins even if not against any recognized big names, however he should have stepped up a long time ago. If he makes it past Ortiz then hopefully the AJ fight will answer that.The thing with Wilder is that he is very athletic, I could see him using a gameplan of running from a quality opponent, and unlike others such as Fury or BJS, who don't pose a danger, he also has KO power to go with his movement so his opponent would have to be cautious, and also Wilder wouldn't be reliant on a points victory as there is a chance of a KO later when his opponent is tired and taking risks.
That makes him freakishly dangerous, if he trades with AJ then suspect he will go down quick but a gameplan could give him a strong chance.
He has to get past ortiz first though.
I wouldn's say a dick either, the trash talk is to get a larger share of the AJ purse, if you read his more in-depth interviews he comes across a lot better.
I think " freakishly dangerous" is a good summary!, I can go with that!
Though as my grandad used to say, "a good boxer will always beat a good fighter" ( mind you he never lived to see Fury against Vlad).
Too much is seen into these sparring stories its under the bright lights when the pressure is really on that matters no good looking like a world beater on the pads and in sparring if it cant be translated to doing it on the night.I remember before Holyfield fought Tyson the story was he was getting beat up in sparring and looking terrible in training people actually feared for his health but look how that turned out
Yes Wilder does look very crude but his un orthodox style makes him a right handful for ANY heavyweight out there.I also think because of his reputation as a puncher it would make even the top guys fight in a slightly more catious way.He is a perfect example that you don't have to be technically spot on skill set wise to get to the top.
Yes Wilder does look very crude but his un orthodox style makes him a right handful for ANY heavyweight out there.I also think because of his reputation as a puncher it would make even the top guys fight in a slightly more catious way.He is a perfect example that you don't have to be technically spot on skill set wise to get to the top.
Yiliterate said:
I'm starting to realise that how well you do in sparring is inversely related to how well you do in actual contests...
In the gym, Deontay Wilder (heavyweight world champion for 3 years and counting and so far making 6 successful defences) got battered by David Haye (heavyweight world champion for <2 years with 2 successful defences), who in turn was apparently given a going over by a 'green' David Price (recently seen coming runner-up in a contest for the WBO European Heavyweight title). Then you have AJ - unified heavyweight champion of the world - whom it is rumoured has been sparked by every heavyweight down to, but not including, our very own tuscaneer (sorry buddy but got to draw the line somewhere )...!!!
get yer facts right baby.......i fIn the gym, Deontay Wilder (heavyweight world champion for 3 years and counting and so far making 6 successful defences) got battered by David Haye (heavyweight world champion for <2 years with 2 successful defences), who in turn was apparently given a going over by a 'green' David Price (recently seen coming runner-up in a contest for the WBO European Heavyweight title). Then you have AJ - unified heavyweight champion of the world - whom it is rumoured has been sparked by every heavyweight down to, but not including, our very own tuscaneer (sorry buddy but got to draw the line somewhere
)...!!!
ked him up in the car park after the milton keynes private signing....he was getting a bit lairy so i had to temper him back a bit with some softening jabs to the body before whipping out me step ladder to pop an over hand left onto his not-inconsiderable mandible.....folded like a fking deck chair. true story.i've got photo proof ........give me 5 minutes....
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