The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
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Gameface said:
I can't see it making that much money.
Let's put it this way; to make those kinds of revenue, I think the fight would need to be more successful than Canelo vs GGG, which I think was the biggest revenue generating fight in history that didn't involve Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao.Having spent most of his career fighting in the US and being recognised as arguably the best fighter in the world, GGG's profile was/is probably bigger than AJ's is at the moment. When it comes to a comparison between the ‘draw’ of Canelo and Wilder, well there is no comparison. Let’s not forget as well, Canelo vs GGG was the hottest topic in boxing a good year and a half before the fight actually happened.
My honest opinion; yes, I think AJ vs Wilder could get up to those sorts of levels eventually and if correctly built, particularly as it is a fight for the title of undisputed heavyweight champion (which adds another dimension)…but to do that in a relatively short timeframe and from the starting point of where the two fighters currently are…Herculean task I feel.
I suspect one of the stumbling blocks from getting best value from an AJ vs Wilder bout is the time zone.
So AJ can pull 90,000 into a stadium in the UK, at avg ticket price of £250 that's good money but not mega money by the time the overheads are done, and the US audience is hardly going to go mad for a pay per view that's on at lunch time. So we're into a wembley show at 4am or other silliness meaning UK ppv numbers are down.
Filling a Vegas casino with 10,000 people at $1000 each is possible half the ticket money but the US ppv will be through the roof and the UK "fans" will stomach it because we're used to it but ppvs will be down - it's the most likely.
So AJ can pull 90,000 into a stadium in the UK, at avg ticket price of £250 that's good money but not mega money by the time the overheads are done, and the US audience is hardly going to go mad for a pay per view that's on at lunch time. So we're into a wembley show at 4am or other silliness meaning UK ppv numbers are down.
Filling a Vegas casino with 10,000 people at $1000 each is possible half the ticket money but the US ppv will be through the roof and the UK "fans" will stomach it because we're used to it but ppvs will be down - it's the most likely.
Yiliterate said:
Let's put it this way; to make those kinds of revenue, I think the fight would need to be more successful than Canelo vs GGG, which I think was the biggest revenue generating fight in history that didn't involve Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao.
Having spent most of his career fighting in the US and being recognised as arguably the best fighter in the world, GGG's profile was/is probably bigger than AJ's is at the moment. When it comes to a comparison between the ‘draw’ of Canelo and Wilder, well there is no comparison. Let’s not forget as well, Canelo vs GGG was the hottest topic in boxing a good year and a half before the fight actually happened.
My honest opinion; yes, I think AJ vs Wilder could get up to those sorts of levels eventually and if correctly built, particularly as it is a fight for the title of undisputed heavyweight champion (which adds another dimension)…but to do that in a relatively short timeframe and from the starting point of where the two fighters currently are…Herculean task I feel.
True, perhaps that is why they are saying autumn/winter rather than summer for the fight- loads of publicity, PR touring the world, 24/7 reality shows following each one and so on - they both have the much needed 'back stories' with Wilders kids and AJ's bad kid made good. The fighters will be everywhere you look. And Wilder will probably make statements of his intent to kill AJ, or attack him in person at the press event!Having spent most of his career fighting in the US and being recognised as arguably the best fighter in the world, GGG's profile was/is probably bigger than AJ's is at the moment. When it comes to a comparison between the ‘draw’ of Canelo and Wilder, well there is no comparison. Let’s not forget as well, Canelo vs GGG was the hottest topic in boxing a good year and a half before the fight actually happened.
My honest opinion; yes, I think AJ vs Wilder could get up to those sorts of levels eventually and if correctly built, particularly as it is a fight for the title of undisputed heavyweight champion (which adds another dimension)…but to do that in a relatively short timeframe and from the starting point of where the two fighters currently are…Herculean task I feel.
GGG and Canelo are both from poorer countries, so home revenues were probably low. AJ is massive in the 5th richest nation so home PPV's will be higher (and a Las Vegas venue may be free as a Casino will pay to host probably as they can put up room prices/enjoy the Brit and American punters spending power compared to Mexican/Khazak) and the average American who isn't into boxing will still be very patriotic so will care more about one of their own fighters than a Mexican/Kazakhstani ( as per stereotype, how many Americans knew where Kazakhstan is
).Plus Heavyweight is the most popular division. So I think it should 'easily' beat GGG Canelo.
Sponsors and advertisers will also be paying millions for this.
And Mexico have lost faith in their poster boy, so they may as well watch something else now!
Wider Ortiz peaked at 1.2 Million viewers non-ppv, which was not bad considering no one had heard of Ortiz. And it was an exciting fight so most of these will be back as buyers plus more.
AJ- Klitschko fight was 1.5 million UK PPV buys, and A J is a much bigger draw after the manner of that win.
AJ replied to Wilder on Instagram saying 'let's roll' so if the money is there, he is up for it.
Edited by hyphen on Thursday 26th April 12:22
Mate, I admire your optimism…but if you were a financier rather than a fan, how confident would you be of all of that lot coming through for you?!
As an illustration of the magnitude of the task – you mention Wilder/Ortiz peaked at 1.2m non-PPV viewers. I think we can agree, for Wilder, that was there or thereabouts as the biggest and highest profile fight of his career to date. However, that’s almost 200k fewer than Golovkin pulled fighting arguably his least recognisable opponent of the last 3-4 years (five internet points to anyone who can remember who the opponent was without looking it up – clue: this was between the Lemieux and Brook fights!).
As an illustration of the magnitude of the task – you mention Wilder/Ortiz peaked at 1.2m non-PPV viewers. I think we can agree, for Wilder, that was there or thereabouts as the biggest and highest profile fight of his career to date. However, that’s almost 200k fewer than Golovkin pulled fighting arguably his least recognisable opponent of the last 3-4 years (five internet points to anyone who can remember who the opponent was without looking it up – clue: this was between the Lemieux and Brook fights!).
Didn't realise GGG's figures were so high.
Will be interesting to see what comes out of this weeks sit down meeting, it was strange how they initial promised to reply in 48 hours to Eddie's offer, but then nothing until just before they sit down.
Wilder's team have been around a while and have track records, AL raised $585m to launch PBC so $50m should hopefully be manageable (assuming investors ignore that PBC is said to not be making any returns yet).
Will be interesting to see what comes out of this weeks sit down meeting, it was strange how they initial promised to reply in 48 hours to Eddie's offer, but then nothing until just before they sit down.
Wilder's team have been around a while and have track records, AL raised $585m to launch PBC so $50m should hopefully be manageable (assuming investors ignore that PBC is said to not be making any returns yet
).Edited by hyphen on Thursday 26th April 15:35
Hearn saying his meeting with Wilders team was cancelled by them, may be rescheduled for today.
Very strange, indicates no proof of funds perhaps?
Wilder AJ is too hard to call, they both started their last fights cautiously and would expect 'boring' first 4 rounds at least. Would expect AJ to try for a points win based on better boxing ability, and wait for an opportunity to ko if wilders gets desperate in later rounds.
Wilder is an inch taller and has an inch of reach advantage too, plus athletic and fast, so easier said than done.
More of a sit down and see what happens type of fight for fans.
Very strange, indicates no proof of funds perhaps?
Wilder AJ is too hard to call, they both started their last fights cautiously and would expect 'boring' first 4 rounds at least. Would expect AJ to try for a points win based on better boxing ability, and wait for an opportunity to ko if wilders gets desperate in later rounds.
Wilder is an inch taller and has an inch of reach advantage too, plus athletic and fast, so easier said than done.
More of a sit down and see what happens type of fight for fans.
hmmm
Leaked meeting cancellation email said:
Dear Eddie,
With all due respect you know Al and I for a long time and you know this is not a publicity stunt. I assure you that we’re serious and we would be glad to sit down with you and provide proper security for the funding and work out all the details.
But it all has to start with Anthony Joshua accepting the $50million offer that he asked for, which is also by far the largest guarantee and largest purse any heavyweight champion in history has ever made.
Until then, it would be non-productive to meet. Please have Anthony accept the offer that he asked for and let’s get this fight made.
Thanks, Shelly
With all due respect you know Al and I for a long time and you know this is not a publicity stunt. I assure you that we’re serious and we would be glad to sit down with you and provide proper security for the funding and work out all the details.
But it all has to start with Anthony Joshua accepting the $50million offer that he asked for, which is also by far the largest guarantee and largest purse any heavyweight champion in history has ever made.
Until then, it would be non-productive to meet. Please have Anthony accept the offer that he asked for and let’s get this fight made.
Thanks, Shelly
I'm amazed that people are getting so caught up and involved with the negotiation process.
Nobody outside of the promoters for each fighter knows what the deal is. Until the fight is signed, I genuinely have little to no interest in who is apparently ducking who. I don't think it's in the make up of a fighter (with a few exceptions) to be scared of another fighter. Yes, some fights are high risk and low reward but this is high risk and maximum reward. I think they're biding their time by both fighters making 1 or 2 weak title defences before cashing in on one another.
In the mean time, I'm hoping Jacobs takes care of Sulecki and then goes after Jermall Charlo. He's a very dangerous opponent but I truly hope Jacobs would smoke him if ever they fight.
Nobody outside of the promoters for each fighter knows what the deal is. Until the fight is signed, I genuinely have little to no interest in who is apparently ducking who. I don't think it's in the make up of a fighter (with a few exceptions) to be scared of another fighter. Yes, some fights are high risk and low reward but this is high risk and maximum reward. I think they're biding their time by both fighters making 1 or 2 weak title defences before cashing in on one another.
In the mean time, I'm hoping Jacobs takes care of Sulecki and then goes after Jermall Charlo. He's a very dangerous opponent but I truly hope Jacobs would smoke him if ever they fight.
Great video of 17 year old Wayne McCullough v the late Arturo Gatti. Pretty emphatic result
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedde...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedde...
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