The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
tuscaneer said:
so....beterbiev loses court battle with GYM and has to stay with them for another 3 years but dmitry bivol has signed with matchroom!!!....boom!
Thought bivol signed last year. Just looke up beterbiev and it appears that he will be fighting for these years which is good, as some of these result in the boxer doing nothing till it ends. Chris Algieri I think is coming out of such a situation, he is a trained nutitionist though and was working for Jacobs, has cooking video's online with Phil lo Greco- makes a mean poached egg and avacado breakfast! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnt9WlSAbPwHearn has said Dazn want him to keep quiet about any stateside signing untill the official Dazn launch event at yet to be announced date late June or July.
Will be very interesting to see who they manage sign.
p.s. Hearn gave an interview to Sky today, Contracts for Wilder are being written up and sent this week. Might be done and dusted by the weekend, in which case you may wish to sell the crystal ball at Sunday mornings Car Boot sale.
Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 12th June 21:07
hyphen said:
tuscaneer said:
so....beterbiev loses court battle with GYM and has to stay with them for another 3 years but dmitry bivol has signed with matchroom!!!....boom!
Thought bivol signed last year. Just looke up beterbiev and it appears that he will be fighting for these years which is good, as some of these result in the boxer doing nothing till it ends. Chris Algieri I think is coming out of such a situation, he is a trained nutitionist though and was working for Jacobs, has cooking video's online with Phil lo Greco- makes a mean poached egg and avacado breakfast! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnt9WlSAbPwHearn has said Dazn want him to keep quiet about any stateside signing untill the official Dazn launch event at yet to be announced date late June or July.
Will be very interesting to see who they manage sign.
p.s. Hearn gave an interview to Sky today, Contracts for Wilder are being written up and sent this week. Might be done and dusted by the weekend, in which case you may wish to sell the crystal ball at Sunday mornings Car Boot sale.
Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 12th June 21:07
yeah i noticed algieri on the jacobs 24/7 thing before he fought golovkin!
i'm sure ryabinsky will change eddie's mind if he is waning!
Edited by tuscaneer on Wednesday 13th June 09:40
tuscaneer said:
actually, you could have it spot on there...they DO know him as he has frequented the mayweather gym in the past ....and it would do no harm putting an ocean between him and sr!!
Looks like it could be on the cards...Eubank jr apprently over in Vegas training with Mayweather sr at the moment:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqAlFy68COw
Yiliterate said:
tuscaneer said:
actually, you could have it spot on there...they DO know him as he has frequented the mayweather gym in the past ....and it would do no harm putting an ocean between him and sr!!
Looks like it could be on the cards...Eubank jr apprently over in Vegas training with Mayweather sr at the moment:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqAlFy68COw
Mayweather snr is known for his defensive techniques, Eubank has a decent chin and needs to improve his offense or will remain flummoxed against a skilled technician.
Plus Mayweather sr is generally nuts and appears high as a kite...so too similar to Eubank snr
, and his track record beyond floyd seems patchy (Hatton). Eubanks dad and Mayweather both dress colourfully and recite poetry!!Floyd, if Instagram is to be believed, is too busy being Floyd to dedicate his attention full-time to any fighter,
Plenty of good trainers about who don't have the baggage.
Edited by hyphen on Thursday 14th June 05:33
hyphen said:
Yiliterate said:
tuscaneer said:
actually, you could have it spot on there...they DO know him as he has frequented the mayweather gym in the past ....and it would do no harm putting an ocean between him and sr!!
Looks like it could be on the cards...Eubank jr apprently over in Vegas training with Mayweather sr at the moment:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqAlFy68COw
Mayweather snr is known for his defensive techniques, Eubank has a decent chin and needs to improve his offense or will remain flummoxed against a skilled technician.
Plus Mayweather sr is generally nuts and appears high as a kite...so too similar to Eubank snr
, and his track record beyond floyd seems patchy (Hatton). Eubanks dad and Mayweather both dress colourfully and recite poetry!!Floyd, if Instagram is to be believed, is too busy being Floyd to dedicate his attention full-time to any fighter,
Plenty of good trainers about who don't have the baggage.
Edited by hyphen on Thursday 14th June 05:33
i think everyone has a default setting in their brain. you are either a space maker to create your openings or a space taker to pressure mistakes. of course you can be both but deep down you are either one or the other....and mayweather sr is better with the former..
Yeah, Mayweather Jnr is clearly the fighter on which Snr’s coaching reputation rests (though obviously not all of Floyd’s career was spent being trained by Snr ) but he also had periods of success with Dawson and De La Hoya as well. Fair enough, both were well established fighters when he got involved with them, but there again so is Eubank. I think I’d agree, though, that Mayweather probably isn’t the answer long-term...but as a stepping stone from the current set-up, might do the trick.
However, based on the loss to Groves, I’d say Eubank’s defence isn’t an area that can be ignored either. Having a solid chin is great (though he probably should have had at least one knock-down given against him from what I remember) but a lot of the difficulties for Eubank seems to stem from not being able to deal with the Groves jab, nor Groves’ movement off the jab. Eubank doesn’t seem to have big KO power himself so improving his defence beyond just keeping off the canvas can only help in getting in amongst the titles...
) but he also had periods of success with Dawson and De La Hoya as well. Fair enough, both were well established fighters when he got involved with them, but there again so is Eubank. I think I’d agree, though, that Mayweather probably isn’t the answer long-term...but as a stepping stone from the current set-up, might do the trick.However, based on the loss to Groves, I’d say Eubank’s defence isn’t an area that can be ignored either. Having a solid chin is great (though he probably should have had at least one knock-down given against him from what I remember) but a lot of the difficulties for Eubank seems to stem from not being able to deal with the Groves jab, nor Groves’ movement off the jab. Eubank doesn’t seem to have big KO power himself so improving his defence beyond just keeping off the canvas can only help in getting in amongst the titles...
Golovkin vs Canelo II now signed for 15th September - purse split apparently not yet disclosed.
https://nesn.com/2018/06/canelo-alvarez-vs-ggg-rem...
https://nesn.com/2018/06/canelo-alvarez-vs-ggg-rem...
espn are stating the split accepted by golovkin was 42.5 / 57.5 in canelo's favour...a LOT better than the 70/30 split for canelo last time... i still think golovkin deserves more tbh, having clearly won the first figt and clenbuterol-gate......but he WILL be making far more for this fight than any other option so i can see why he took. it
Yiliterate said:
Yeah, Mayweather Jnr is clearly the fighter on which Snr’s coaching reputation rests (though obviously not all of Floyd’s career was spent being trained by Snr ) but he also had periods of success with Dawson and De La Hoya as well. Fair enough, both were well established fighters when he got involved with them, but there again so is Eubank. I think I’d agree, though, that Mayweather probably isn’t the answer long-term...but as a stepping stone from the current set-up, might do the trick.
However, based on the loss to Groves, I’d say Eubank’s defence isn’t an area that can be ignored either. Having a solid chin is great (though he probably should have had at least one knock-down given against him from what I remember) but a lot of the difficulties for Eubank seems to stem from not being able to deal with the Groves jab, nor Groves’ movement off the jab. Eubank doesn’t seem to have big KO power himself so improving his defence beyond just keeping off the canvas can only help in getting in amongst the titles...
1) he needs a jab ) but he also had periods of success with Dawson and De La Hoya as well. Fair enough, both were well established fighters when he got involved with them, but there again so is Eubank. I think I’d agree, though, that Mayweather probably isn’t the answer long-term...but as a stepping stone from the current set-up, might do the trick.However, based on the loss to Groves, I’d say Eubank’s defence isn’t an area that can be ignored either. Having a solid chin is great (though he probably should have had at least one knock-down given against him from what I remember) but a lot of the difficulties for Eubank seems to stem from not being able to deal with the Groves jab, nor Groves’ movement off the jab. Eubank doesn’t seem to have big KO power himself so improving his defence beyond just keeping off the canvas can only help in getting in amongst the titles...
2) he needs to learn how to move backwards and sideways working off that jab
3) he needs to learn to REact rather than just act
i reckon if he garners a little more finesse generally all of his other attributes will become more effective
So now the ibf belt has been taken from golovkin they have ordered a most excellent fight for the vacant title.....jacobs versus derevyenchenko 
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king great fight that...is it too soon for sergiy???..... I think it might be but he's been faultless so far....but I would back jacobs against any middleweight on the planet outside of golovkin....and even that fight would again be a very close affair..
Close fight this one....who you got peeps????
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king great fight that...is it too soon for sergiy???..... I think it might be but he's been faultless so far....but I would back jacobs against any middleweight on the planet outside of golovkin....and even that fight would again be a very close affair..Close fight this one....who you got peeps????
I think Jacobs might just be entering the final phase of his career now but I reckon he’ll probably have enough to get through. Interestingly, when Jacobs fought Golovkin, the IBF title wasn’t on the line because Jacobs didn’t attend the IBF’s weigh-in on the day of the fight...wonder if abiding by the 10lb rehydration limit this time will have any meaningful effect on Jacobs?!
What I would love to see if Jacobs were to win it is a unification with Billy Joe Saunders - think that would be an absolutely cracking contest! I suspect politics might be a hurdle though...a fight with Charlo a more realistic possibility (particularly if Hearn signs him and his brother)?
What I would love to see if Jacobs were to win it is a unification with Billy Joe Saunders - think that would be an absolutely cracking contest! I suspect politics might be a hurdle though...a fight with Charlo a more realistic possibility (particularly if Hearn signs him and his brother)?
Yiliterate said:
I think Jacobs might just be entering the final phase of his career now but I reckon he’ll probably have enough to get through. Interestingly, when Jacobs fought Golovkin, the IBF title wasn’t on the line because Jacobs didn’t attend the IBF’s weigh-in on the day of the fight...wonder if abiding by the 10lb rehydration limit this time will have any meaningful effect on Jacobs?!
What I would love to see if Jacobs were to win it is a unification with Billy Joe Saunders - think that would be an absolutely cracking contest! I suspect politics might be a hurdle though...a fight with Charlo a more realistic possibility (particularly if Hearn signs him and his brother)?
good point about the ibf rehydration clause and jacobs i had forgotten about that!!... it certainly won't help him as he seems massive on fight night.... i think derevyenchenko is a real threat....enough of a threat to have caused the ibf to pull the belt off ggg...golovkin freely admitted that a short training camp wasn't enough for such an important fightWhat I would love to see if Jacobs were to win it is a unification with Billy Joe Saunders - think that would be an absolutely cracking contest! I suspect politics might be a hurdle though...a fight with Charlo a more realistic possibility (particularly if Hearn signs him and his brother)?
jacobs charlo would be superb!...nice bit of needle to spice that one up as well..
and i'd love to see saunders in with all of them!
Gameface said:
So GGG's dream of all the belts, looks further away than ever.
yeah, it's a shame but the more belts you have the more politics you suffer from. i remember wlad saying that it was harder to keep all the belts together than it was actually fighting to defend them... and his brother was looking after one of them!
tuscaneer said:
1) he needs a jab
2) he needs to learn how to move backwards and sideways working off that jab
3) he needs to learn to REact rather than just act
i reckon if he garners a little more finesse generally all of his other attributes will become more effective
A long time ago now,but what I remember is that groves controlled the range, and Eubank had no ideas of how to close in. Hence why a defensive bloke like Mayweather snr seems strange but then I suppose defense relies on improved footwork and dodging shots so that may well get him in. Senior's character may also get Eubank to chill out a bit as far too intense. 2) he needs to learn how to move backwards and sideways working off that jab
3) he needs to learn to REact rather than just act
i reckon if he garners a little more finesse generally all of his other attributes will become more effective
But gut feeling is still that Mayweather snr is old now, and nuts
Plus I remember him pricing himself out of a Oscar fight with a demand for 2 million so may bleed Eubank jnr dry!Surprised to hear that Eubank jnr doesn't have big KO power, I hadn't watched him fight prior to Groves, but had somehow got the impression he was a puncher. If he isn't then not sure what he can go on to achieve.
Edited by hyphen on Saturday 16th June 11:37
Gameface said:
So GGG's dream of all the belts, looks further away than ever.
Are you guys excited about this fight? The whole drugs issue has tainted it for me, and so not that bothered. Would have much preferred GGG v Billy instead. Purse should also have been an even split at best, or in GGGs favour as I consider him now the A side, Canelo needed this fight or his career would be a mess.Will be watching it the next day on YouTube rather than staying up.
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