The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
Amirhussain said:
yonex said:
272BHP said:
Really don't get this hate for Khan either.
He's a Gobs
te? really? tell me what fighters you admire currently so we can see what level of humbleness he should aspire to.
Why do you admire Khan exactly, failed every time when faced with world class opponents. His comments tonight summed it up. He said he could have put him away but backed off to get rounds. I can’t wait to see him retired. He's a Gobs
te? really? tell me what fighters you admire currently so we can see what level of humbleness he should aspire to.There’s nothing wrong with not rating a fighter, but this is something else
Did you lose a bet or something cuz you sound real salty As a boxer you feel sorry for him, blessed with fast hands, but then cursed with a lack of a boxing brain, lack of serious ko power, and a lack of chin. Not to mention he isn't the brightest and so wasted several years chasing Mayweather.
But you also admire him for his balls in the ring, and the excitement his chin brings means you will always watch his fights.
Will always be left wanting against the best and won't be remembered, but a better career than most fighters.
Yiliterate said:
What Khan has also done is establish himself in the US market in a way no other British fighter has since Lennox Lewis...
Established what though?Reading US message boards, Khan and the word 'deluded' tend to go together. Huge name recognition granted, but doesn't seem popular. And his Chin issues mean he will never be the best of his era, or leave more than a 'good' legacy.
Is he respected like Lennox? That clip not so long ago, when Error Spence Jr was asked in a post fight conference about fighting Khan, Spence's entire team spontaneuosly burst out laughing, and that is what Khan's big mouth, talking a talk he can't walk, has resulted in.
Fighting and beating Brook is what he should have done, avenging his losses is what he should have done.
Canelo-Khan PPV were very poor, Golden Boy stated they expected 2 million, actual was less than six hundred k.Worst Cinco de Mayo in recent history.
Manny fight cash will be good, but such a risk after that performance, if he loses by knockout against an 'old' fighter it will be the end.
Edited by hyphen on Sunday 9th September 12:31
On the coaching front, things didn't go well, he blamed the UK coach and ran off to the USA.
Things didn't go well more, he blamed Roach.
Virgil told him not to fight Canelo, was ignored. Right up to the day, Virgil was not particularly positive.
Khan is a twit. Wasn't the coach, he has no boxing brain. He can't change and adapt, neither by his own instinct nor from being coached. After this many years and knowing his weakness, he should have developed a brilliant defensive style (look at AJ against Parker, and not long after he got wobbled by Wlad).
He can win against most non-punchers, but anyone with KO power and it's a 50-50 coin toss.
Thats why he is popular to watch, masses tune in for their own gratification.
Things didn't go well more, he blamed Roach.
Virgil told him not to fight Canelo, was ignored. Right up to the day, Virgil was not particularly positive.
Khan is a twit. Wasn't the coach, he has no boxing brain. He can't change and adapt, neither by his own instinct nor from being coached. After this many years and knowing his weakness, he should have developed a brilliant defensive style (look at AJ against Parker, and not long after he got wobbled by Wlad).
He can win against most non-punchers, but anyone with KO power and it's a 50-50 coin toss.
Thats why he is popular to watch, masses tune in for their own gratification.
Edited by hyphen on Sunday 9th September 13:44
You've got to say on last night's performance and the way Khan looked (usual awesome handspeed aside) you've got to back Kell Brook to beat him even if he will struggle to get to the weight. Kell looks like a coiled spring at the moment. I don't like the way he looks like he's chewing the inside of his cheek half the time to stop himself exploding. Scary guy.
Moving on from Khan... Next week is the big one.
Who's everyone got and why?...
[EDIT]: I'll go first!
I actually predicted GGG to win the first one by decision, and many would agree he did. This time, however, although I dislike the lack of professionalism shown by Canelo and his team throughout the build-up to this one, I tip him to win by decision the second time around.
In combination with his far superior speed, I just think his counter-punching is too slick. Additionally, as proved last time, I think GGG will have to beat him CONVINCINGLY to get a decision which I don't think he can do.
Tactically speaking, Golovkin has the best jab in boxing which could be his saving grace. However, he does have a tendency to throw lazy jabs which will present brilliant opportunities for Canelo to counter. I can't see there being a KO purely based on how well they took each others power in the first bout.
The other issue, De La Hoya... For me, De La Hoya is the modern-day Don King and is as bent as a nine bob note. There has been simply too much controversy surrounding Canelo for me now. The decision he got against Lara, a fight De La Hoya didn't want Canelo to take in the first place, the CJ Ross decision against Mayweather was utterly ridiculous, the "stacking" issues with his hand wraps, the "meat" situation, the lenient punishment he received for the failed drugs test (99% of fighters would be banned for a minimum of 2 years), the fact he refused to fight outside of Vegas for the rematch and, the actual GGG decision...
Therefore, I just think GGG has too many obstacles to overcome to get the win.
I would like to mention that my prediction is what I think, not what I want. I would love to see GGG beat Canelo.
Who's everyone got and why?...
[EDIT]: I'll go first!
I actually predicted GGG to win the first one by decision, and many would agree he did. This time, however, although I dislike the lack of professionalism shown by Canelo and his team throughout the build-up to this one, I tip him to win by decision the second time around.
In combination with his far superior speed, I just think his counter-punching is too slick. Additionally, as proved last time, I think GGG will have to beat him CONVINCINGLY to get a decision which I don't think he can do.
Tactically speaking, Golovkin has the best jab in boxing which could be his saving grace. However, he does have a tendency to throw lazy jabs which will present brilliant opportunities for Canelo to counter. I can't see there being a KO purely based on how well they took each others power in the first bout.
The other issue, De La Hoya... For me, De La Hoya is the modern-day Don King and is as bent as a nine bob note. There has been simply too much controversy surrounding Canelo for me now. The decision he got against Lara, a fight De La Hoya didn't want Canelo to take in the first place, the CJ Ross decision against Mayweather was utterly ridiculous, the "stacking" issues with his hand wraps, the "meat" situation, the lenient punishment he received for the failed drugs test (99% of fighters would be banned for a minimum of 2 years), the fact he refused to fight outside of Vegas for the rematch and, the actual GGG decision...
Therefore, I just think GGG has too many obstacles to overcome to get the win.
I would like to mention that my prediction is what I think, not what I want. I would love to see GGG beat Canelo.
Edited by XOJJX on Sunday 9th September 20:14
Edited by XOJJX on Sunday 9th September 20:16
I don't think anybody's mentioned the performance of the night - Hassan Mwakinyo absolutely demolished Sam Eggington in less than a round and a half after taking the fight at a week's notice - Eggington the 1/50 favourite infront of his home crowd.
Spoilt a few people's plans that result!
Spoilt a few people's plans that result!
XOJJX said:
Moving on from Khan... Next week is the big one.
Who's everyone got and why?...
[EDIT]: I'll go first!
I actually predicted GGG to win the first one by decision, and many would agree he did. This time, however, although I dislike the lack of professionalism shown by Canelo and his team throughout the build-up to this one, I tip him to win by decision the second time around.
In combination with his far superior speed, I just think his counter-punching is too slick. Additionally, as proved last time, I think GGG will have to beat him CONVINCINGLY to get a decision which I don't think he can do.
Tactically speaking, Golovkin has the best jab in boxing which could be his saving grace. However, he does have a tendency to throw lazy jabs which will present brilliant opportunities for Canelo to counter. I can't see there being a KO purely based on how well they took each others power in the first bout.
The other issue, De La Hoya... For me, De La Hoya is the modern-day Don King and is as bent as a nine bob note. There has been simply too much controversy surrounding Canelo for me now. The decision he got against Lara, a fight De La Hoya didn't want Canelo to take in the first place, the CJ Ross decision against Mayweather was utterly ridiculous, the "stacking" issues with his hand wraps, the "meat" situation, the lenient punishment he received for the failed drugs test (99% of fighters would be banned for a minimum of 2 years), the fact he refused to fight outside of Vegas for the rematch and, the actual GGG decision...
Therefore, I just think GGG has too many obstacles to overcome to get the win.
I would like to mention that my prediction is what I think, not what I want. I would love to see GGG beat Canelo.
I'll have to take an opposing view here...Who's everyone got and why?...
[EDIT]: I'll go first!
I actually predicted GGG to win the first one by decision, and many would agree he did. This time, however, although I dislike the lack of professionalism shown by Canelo and his team throughout the build-up to this one, I tip him to win by decision the second time around.
In combination with his far superior speed, I just think his counter-punching is too slick. Additionally, as proved last time, I think GGG will have to beat him CONVINCINGLY to get a decision which I don't think he can do.
Tactically speaking, Golovkin has the best jab in boxing which could be his saving grace. However, he does have a tendency to throw lazy jabs which will present brilliant opportunities for Canelo to counter. I can't see there being a KO purely based on how well they took each others power in the first bout.
The other issue, De La Hoya... For me, De La Hoya is the modern-day Don King and is as bent as a nine bob note. There has been simply too much controversy surrounding Canelo for me now. The decision he got against Lara, a fight De La Hoya didn't want Canelo to take in the first place, the CJ Ross decision against Mayweather was utterly ridiculous, the "stacking" issues with his hand wraps, the "meat" situation, the lenient punishment he received for the failed drugs test (99% of fighters would be banned for a minimum of 2 years), the fact he refused to fight outside of Vegas for the rematch and, the actual GGG decision...
Therefore, I just think GGG has too many obstacles to overcome to get the win.
I would like to mention that my prediction is what I think, not what I want. I would love to see GGG beat Canelo.
Edited by XOJJX on Sunday 9th September 20:14
Edited by XOJJX on Sunday 9th September 20:16
I don't think I've ever heard GGG so riled and hacked off.
The draw last time was the start, then the drugs
I honestly think we'll see a determined GGG that winds back the clock and stamps out Alvarez within six rounds - by KO
lord trumpton said:
I'll have to take an opposing view here...
I don't think I've ever heard GGG so riled and hacked off.
The draw last time was the start, then the drugs
I honestly think we'll see a determined GGG that winds back the clock and stamps out Alvarez within six rounds - by KO
I actually hope you're right, sir. Let's report back this time next week.I don't think I've ever heard GGG so riled and hacked off.
The draw last time was the start, then the drugs
I honestly think we'll see a determined GGG that winds back the clock and stamps out Alvarez within six rounds - by KO
I think it’s been said by either me or someone else after the first fight but I feel Canelo wasn’t particularly troubled by GGG last time and will have learned he has nothing to fear. I expect a little more from him offensively this time.
GGG will only have learned that he can’t KO Canelo.
I hope not - but the man with by far the most potential to improve from his showing in the first fight is Canelo.
GGG will only have learned that he can’t KO Canelo.
I hope not - but the man with by far the most potential to improve from his showing in the first fight is Canelo.
XOJJX said:
lord trumpton said:
I'll have to take an opposing view here...
I don't think I've ever heard GGG so riled and hacked off.
The draw last time was the start, then the drugs
I honestly think we'll see a determined GGG that winds back the clock and stamps out Alvarez within six rounds - by KO
I actually hope you're right, sir. Let's report back this time next week.I don't think I've ever heard GGG so riled and hacked off.
The draw last time was the start, then the drugs
I honestly think we'll see a determined GGG that winds back the clock and stamps out Alvarez within six rounds - by KO
i still don't understand all the vitriol where amir khan is concerned.
in terms of pure boxing (ignoring wk-gate and all the other silly stuff that has gone on over the years) his speed and skill levels are sublime.i have never seen a fighter with such speed. his one failing is that he can't stick to a game plan when he gets touched and he goes into all out war mode.with a st chin....... if he could keep his composure for 36 minutes he'd be unbeatable....but paradoxically if he boxed like that he wouldn't be the draw that he is. he must be given credit for doing what he did in fights like the maidana fight. the way he won wasn't the smartest strategy but christ it was an exciting fight to watch....same goes for the danny garcia fight. he was embarrassing that guy in a way nobody else has been able to do before he got sloppy and tagged...
eddie hearn tweeted ....
Congratulations to @amirkingkhan and Sammy Vargas on a great fight - the fight recorded the biggest live UK audience on subscription TV (non PPV) in boxing history
and that was against a no name guy like vargas!
speaking of danny garcia....i thought he won that fight quite comfortably. porter realised that boxing with him wasn't going to work and to his credit had switched styles by the middle of the fight and went back to his pressure style we know him for...but for me the work garcia put in early on was enough. the 12th round put the cherry on top for me. garcia was hard done to there...
on other shows we didn't get to watch,,,, filip hrgovic raised some eyebrows stopping amir mansoor in 3 rounds to claim the wbc international title...said it last year, he's one to watch this guy
polish chubster hardcase adam kownacki beat charles martin to advance to 18-0.....he's not exactly the second coming of jack johnson in the finesse stakes , but a good, hard come forward aggressive big guy. needs to work on his conditioning a lot though because being "mr. chippy tits" is only going to hamper him going forward
in terms of pure boxing (ignoring w
k-gate and all the other silly stuff that has gone on over the years) his speed and skill levels are sublime.i have never seen a fighter with such speed. his one failing is that he can't stick to a game plan when he gets touched and he goes into all out war mode.with a st chin....... if he could keep his composure for 36 minutes he'd be unbeatable....but paradoxically if he boxed like that he wouldn't be the draw that he is. he must be given credit for doing what he did in fights like the maidana fight. the way he won wasn't the smartest strategy but christ it was an exciting fight to watch....same goes for the danny garcia fight. he was embarrassing that guy in a way nobody else has been able to do before he got sloppy and tagged...eddie hearn tweeted ....
Congratulations to @amirkingkhan and Sammy Vargas on a great fight - the fight recorded the biggest live UK audience on subscription TV (non PPV) in boxing history
and that was against a no name guy like vargas!
speaking of danny garcia....i thought he won that fight quite comfortably. porter realised that boxing with him wasn't going to work and to his credit had switched styles by the middle of the fight and went back to his pressure style we know him for...but for me the work garcia put in early on was enough. the 12th round put the cherry on top for me. garcia was hard done to there...
on other shows we didn't get to watch,,,, filip hrgovic raised some eyebrows stopping amir mansoor in 3 rounds to claim the wbc international title...said it last year, he's one to watch this guy
polish chubster hardcase adam kownacki beat charles martin to advance to 18-0.....he's not exactly the second coming of jack johnson in the finesse stakes , but a good, hard come forward aggressive big guy. needs to work on his conditioning a lot though because being "mr. chippy tits" is only going to hamper him going forward
Edited by tuscaneer on Monday 10th September 07:15
I like Kownacki...he looks like someone has transplanted Gavin Rees’ head onto Chris Arreola’s body, then given him a quick coat of emulsion to cover up the tattoos.
The Garcia-Porter fight is still sitting on my Sky+ so can’t comment on the scorecards. However, after the loss to Brook, I was impressed with what Porter showed in respect of the Broner fight; not just how he performed but his willingness to compromise on the weight to get the fight secured so he could get straight back into the mix. As such, I was pleased to see him getting back to the top table...
The Garcia-Porter fight is still sitting on my Sky+ so can’t comment on the scorecards. However, after the loss to Brook, I was impressed with what Porter showed in respect of the Broner fight; not just how he performed but his willingness to compromise on the weight to get the fight secured so he could get straight back into the mix. As such, I was pleased to see him getting back to the top table...
Yiliterate said:
I like Kownacki...he looks like someone has transplanted Gavin Rees’ head onto Chris Arreola’s body, then given him a quick coat of emulsion to cover up the tattoos.
The Garcia-Porter fight is still sitting on my Sky+ so can’t comment on the scorecards. However, after the loss to Brook, I was impressed with what Porter showed in respect of the Broner fight; not just how he performed but his willingness to compromise on the weight to get the fight secured so he could get straight back into the mix. As such, I was pleased to see him getting back to the top table...
"frankenreesnacki".....i think my ring moniker of "chippy tits" is a little more catchy brother The Garcia-Porter fight is still sitting on my Sky+ so can’t comment on the scorecards. However, after the loss to Brook, I was impressed with what Porter showed in respect of the Broner fight; not just how he performed but his willingness to compromise on the weight to get the fight secured so he could get straight back into the mix. As such, I was pleased to see him getting back to the top table...
don't get me wrong, porter adjusted well and fought well in the back half of the fight....i'm defo a fan, but garcia was a bit short changed there....regardless of that seeing the exchange between porter and spence jr. after the fight was great. i know they are chums outside of the ring but you could see in their eyes both lads will absolutely follow through and have a unification fight. they obviously both want it..
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