The **BOXING** thread Vol 2

[andburg]

It was close but I had the close middle rounds Much closer than the judges, just don’t see how 1 judge scored canelo winning rounds 5/6/7/8

Had to look at car mpubox which didn’t help at all to see they all gave canelo r5 despite being out thrown and outlander by clear margin.

I’d love to see it again but it had to be next fight and it needs to be neutral territory, outside the us/Mexico

[WCZ]

had it to ggg by 2, was really surprised it went the other way.

seems I'm not the only one who thought that:

Harold Lederman (HBO Sports): 116-112 Golovkin

Brian Campbell (CBS sports): 116-112 Golovkin

Dan Rafael (ESPN): 114-114 draw

Stephen A. Smith (ESPN): Golovkin won

Arash Markazi (ESPN): 114-114 draw

Brett Okamoto (ESPN): 114-114 draw

Teddy Atlas - Golovkin won

Salvador Rodríguez (ESPN Mexico): 114-114 draw

Eduardo Lamazón (Televisa): 116-112 Golovkin

Gareth A Davies (The Telegraph): 116-112 Golovkin

Josh Peter (USA Today): 115-113 Golovkin

Sports Illustrated: 114-114 draw

Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 115-113 Golovkin

Lance Pugmire (La Times): 114-114 draw

BoxingScene: 114-114 draw

Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports): 115-113 Golovkin

Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports): 114-114 draw

The Guardian: 116-112 Golovkin

Joe DePaolo (Washington Post): 115-113 Golovkin

Mike Coppinger (Ring Magazine): 114-114 draw

Douglass Fischer (Ring Magazine): 114-114 draw

Mike Baca II (Ring Magazine and Undisputed Champion Network): 115-113 Golovkin

Al Bernstein (Showtime Sports): Golovkin won

Sherdog.com: 116-112 Golovkin

Jai Bednall (news.com.au): 115-113 Golovkin

Brian Mazique (Forbes): 114-114 draw

Adam Abramowitz (Ring Magazine and SN Boxing): 115-113 Golovkin

Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 116-112 Golovkin

Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin

Anton Tabuena (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin

The Associated Press: 114-114 draw

Adam Caparell (Complex Sports): 116-112 Golovkin

Bill Simmons (HBO and The Ringer): 114-114 draw

Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News): 116-112 Golovkin

Andreas Hale (Sporting News): Golovkin won

Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly): Canelo won

Michael Montero (MonteroOnBoxing): 115-113 Golovkin

Matt Christie (Boxing News): 115-114 Golovkin

George Willis (New York Post): 114-114 draw

Gary Melo (SportsNet Canada): Golovkin won

Below The Belt Podcast: 115-113 Golovkin

World Boxing News: 115-113 Golovkin

Jeff Powell (Daily Mail): 116-113 Golovkin

Marcos Villegas (Fight Hub TV): 114-114 draw

Michelle Rosado (Raging Babe): 115-113 Canelo

Michelle Joy Phelps (Behind the Gloves): 115-113 Golovkin

Lennox Lewis: Golovkin won by 2 rounds

Fight Nights: 115-113 Golovkin

Michael Woods (NYFights.com): two point edge for Golovkin

Dieter Kurtenbach (San Jose Mercury News and the East Bay Times): Golovkin won by 3 rounds

Rafael G (the Fight City): 116-112 Golovkin

34 for GGG, 2 for Canelo, 15 for Draw

average fan scorecard (1773 fans): 116-113 Golovkin

[andburg]

You did better than me there...I couldn’t find any score outside the judges with a canelo win

[tuscaneer]

I've watched it ahain without the excitement factor and even trying my best I still can't get past a 7 rounds to 5 in favour of golovkin. I'm sticking to my original scoring....116 to 112 in favour of golovkin who in the eyes of pretty much the entjre boxing world should now be 2-0 against canelo.fking disgusting that golden boy have successfully bought the titles and denied ggg his rightful place at the top of the middleweight division while pissing all over the sport and the fans...the sad thing is I knew this going into the fight

[epom]

I've just watched this and cant see how Canelo won (I'm no expert and not claiming to be by the way).
The cynic in me believes that had GGG won (on the score cards) then that would be the end of the series, this way there has to be a third bout.

[Sensei Rob]

Canelo isn't exactly the most popular fighter out there, as a result, many people want him to lose. Let's not forget, GGG's team accused Canelo of running in the first fight, but here, it was GGG running.

It's like Canelo was saying "What?! What you gonna do now?! Where your power at?!" *PA PA POW* (that's the punch sound effects)

Roy Jones can say it way more eloquently than I can:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KhLpmcM1Qs

[tuscaneer]

Sorry Rob but if you watched that fight and concluded that golovkin was running then you are missing a lot of what boxing is about. Giving a quarter step ground after taking a shot to create space to come back in with your own shots is not running. And it's not e an like golovkin was doing that all night because he spent the majority of the fight on the front foot. Both of them fought an to incredibly high standard and disgusting paid for judging aside that was one the more technically proficient showings from both guys in recent times.

[andburg]

tuscaneer said:

Sorry Rob but if you watched that fight and concluded that golovkin was running then you are missing a lot of what boxing is about. Giving a quarter step ground after taking a shot to create space to come back in with your own shots is not running. And it's not e an like golovkin was doing that all night because he spent the majority of the fight on the front foot. Both of them fought an to incredibly high standard and disgusting paid for judging aside that was one the more technically proficient showings from both guys in recent times.

Couldn’t have put it better, the fight was fantastic. Both came forwards and took steps back, they both seems to have a similar game plane to that extent with neither wanting to run or pressure too hard. I’d actually say I thought it was closer than the first fight.

The problem is the judging, and that’s not something either fighter can change.

[Mojooo]

It seems that scoring in boxing including very subjective things like 'what the boxer should be doing' based on their reputation and previous fights - it seemed the total expectation was on GG to be the aggressor - surely that is unfair. I think that is what Kellerman was referring to re story of the fight (i.e Canelo is broadly winning because he is doing what he said he would more than GG).

[Gameface]

Joke of a decision. These arsholes have cost him his unbeaten run. I'm gutted.

[tuscaneer]

Team ggg should appeal mate..disgusting that he now hasn't beaten Hopkins record...merely equalled it....not in my eyes and the vast majority of the (non corrupted) boxing community

[Sensei Rob]

I've just re-watched it and made a few notes:

Bear in mind, almost all of the rounds were swing rounds, although 1, 2, 8 and 11 were the swingiest. The other rounds were a bit more decisive. Here are my scores:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Total

Canelo 9 9 10 9 10 10 10 9 10 9 9 10 114

GGG 10 10 9 10 9 9 9 10 9 10 10 9 114


Round 1:
Strong round for GGG. Solid jab.

Round 2:
GGG landing more, Canelo landing cleaner - not dissimilar from their previous fight. Canelo doing well stalking.

Round 6:
Canelo dominating GGG with body shots. GGG looking a bit tired.

Round 7:
Every punch Canelo throws has GGG taking a backward step. Nice uppercut by GGG in the last 10 seconds, but too little, too late.

Round 8:
Trench warfare. GGG looking strong.

Round 9:
Nice body shots by Canelo. GGG feels it.

Round 10:
Canelo starts off very strong. By the end of the first minute, I thought Canelo had this round in the bag, but halfway through the round, GGG detonates a BIG right hand. Canelo does his best Floyd impression and does well not getting tagged too much immediately after. Canelo resumes control, but GGG finishes stronger at the end.

Round 11:
Nip and tuck. GGG edges it.

Round 12:
Nip and tuck. Canelo edges it.

Overall, I got the impression that Canelo was doing the stalking and pushing the fight. Bear in mind the swing rounds I gave for GGG, so I don't see a problem with Canelo winning on the official scorecards.

But anyway, this is just my opinion. I actually don't know $h1t about boxing.

• Edit:

For whatever reason, my scorecard was reformatted. Hope it makes sense, though.

Edited by Sensei Rob on Sunday 16th September 19:08

[tuscaneer]

Not wanting to be argumentative pal....nicely put together and so on but if you scored the 12th to canelo you SERIOUSLY undermine your argument..that was a BIG BIG golovkin round.
I actually gave canelo the second which you have to golovkin....!!!..

Either way they have got to do it again ....and on neutral ground away from fishnets grubby,dirty influence....because across 2 fights now,even if you are a canelo fan...you really have to stretch reality to say he deserved to take those titles last night....

[Sensei Rob]

It's cool, we all look out for/notice different things. A third fight would be awesome.

[tuscaneer]

Sensei Rob said:

It's cool, we all look out for/notice different things. A third fight would be awesome.

Defo pal.....and away from fishnets claws

[FredClogs]

Yeah, Max Kellermen is an absolute ring piece, I don't get the whole idea that one guy is supposed to box one way and won't score if he doesn't, you score for punches landed. The whole idea of a "power punch" is complete bks too, a jab from either of those gentlemen has enough power to hurt a rhino, let alone doubling or tripling them up to head and body.

That said it was very close and its looks like Canelo has no respect for Golovkins power any more, whether that's because he's not only one of the most highly skilled boxers of modern times but also a triple hard bd or GGG's power is waning, I don't know. I had it to Golovkin based on jabs and shots landed but saw no real issue with a draw canelo by a round or two.

But HBO get rid of Keller men, the man's an absolute schlong.

[Amirhussain]

tuscaneer said:

I've watched it ahain without the excitement factor and even trying my best I still can't get past a 7 rounds to 5 in favour of golovkin. I'm sticking to my original scoring....116 to 112 in favour of golovkin who in the eyes of pretty much the entjre boxing world should now be 2-0 against canelo.fking disgusting that golden boy have successfully bought the titles and denied ggg his rightful place at the top of the middleweight division while pissing all over the sport and the fans...the sad thing is I knew this going into the fight

Agreed, especially the last bit, just knew there was going to be some controversy bks against GGG.

[theboyfold]

Other than make sure nobody takes a bung, how would you suggest to make things fairer or at least more transparent?

[FredClogs]

theboyfold said:

Other than make sure nobody takes a bung, how would you suggest to make things fairer or at least more transparent?

5 judges would be a start. Collecting scores round by round, might help.

[andburg]

I think open scoring has to come, at least fighters know the scorecards are robbing them while they still have chance to do something about it