The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
I know there are safety concerns but I kind of get the feeling that if these were 15 rounders it could be taken out of the judges hands one way or another. Last nights match was over in a flash wasn't it?
Maybe don't have open scoring but if at the end of 12 the scoring is close then ask the doctors if they have any concerns about putting the boxers in for 3 more rounds?
I am just thinking out loud here.
Maybe don't have open scoring but if at the end of 12 the scoring is close then ask the doctors if they have any concerns about putting the boxers in for 3 more rounds?
I am just thinking out loud here.
lord trumpton said:
XOJJX said:
Moving on from Khan... Next week is the big one.
Who's everyone got and why?...
[EDIT]: I'll go first!
I actually predicted GGG to win the first one by decision, and many would agree he did. This time, however, although I dislike the lack of professionalism shown by Canelo and his team throughout the build-up to this one, I tip him to win by decision the second time around.
In combination with his far superior speed, I just think his counter-punching is too slick. Additionally, as proved last time, I think GGG will have to beat him CONVINCINGLY to get a decision which I don't think he can do.
Tactically speaking, Golovkin has the best jab in boxing which could be his saving grace. However, he does have a tendency to throw lazy jabs which will present brilliant opportunities for Canelo to counter. I can't see there being a KO purely based on how well they took each others power in the first bout.
The other issue, De La Hoya... For me, De La Hoya is the modern-day Don King and is as bent as a nine bob note. There has been simply too much controversy surrounding Canelo for me now. The decision he got against Lara, a fight De La Hoya didn't want Canelo to take in the first place, the CJ Ross decision against Mayweather was utterly ridiculous, the "stacking" issues with his hand wraps, the "meat" situation, the lenient punishment he received for the failed drugs test (99% of fighters would be banned for a minimum of 2 years), the fact he refused to fight outside of Vegas for the rematch and, the actual GGG decision...
Therefore, I just think GGG has too many obstacles to overcome to get the win.
I would like to mention that my prediction is what I think, not what I want. I would love to see GGG beat Canelo.
I'll have to take an opposing view here...Who's everyone got and why?...
[EDIT]: I'll go first!
I actually predicted GGG to win the first one by decision, and many would agree he did. This time, however, although I dislike the lack of professionalism shown by Canelo and his team throughout the build-up to this one, I tip him to win by decision the second time around.
In combination with his far superior speed, I just think his counter-punching is too slick. Additionally, as proved last time, I think GGG will have to beat him CONVINCINGLY to get a decision which I don't think he can do.
Tactically speaking, Golovkin has the best jab in boxing which could be his saving grace. However, he does have a tendency to throw lazy jabs which will present brilliant opportunities for Canelo to counter. I can't see there being a KO purely based on how well they took each others power in the first bout.
The other issue, De La Hoya... For me, De La Hoya is the modern-day Don King and is as bent as a nine bob note. There has been simply too much controversy surrounding Canelo for me now. The decision he got against Lara, a fight De La Hoya didn't want Canelo to take in the first place, the CJ Ross decision against Mayweather was utterly ridiculous, the "stacking" issues with his hand wraps, the "meat" situation, the lenient punishment he received for the failed drugs test (99% of fighters would be banned for a minimum of 2 years), the fact he refused to fight outside of Vegas for the rematch and, the actual GGG decision...
Therefore, I just think GGG has too many obstacles to overcome to get the win.
I would like to mention that my prediction is what I think, not what I want. I would love to see GGG beat Canelo.
Edited by XOJJX on Sunday 9th September 20:14
Edited by XOJJX on Sunday 9th September 20:16
I don't think I've ever heard GGG so riled and hacked off.
The draw last time was the start, then the drugs
I honestly think we'll see a determined GGG that winds back the clock and stamps out Alvarez within six rounds - by KO
Fittster said:
What is the reason for not announcing the score at the end of each round?
Boxers being boxers I think the fear is that someone who knows they're definately loosing is likely to become wreckless and/or desperate. These people aren't normal.All the way through the se on half of the fight Abel Sanchez was telling Ggg that he needed a knockout. There's no doubt he was trying, could he have tried any harder? I don't know.
Morning all!
A bit of catching up from me here and I'll keep it short.
When you have two really good fighters (no disagreements that both aren't top of their game) it does seem that judges really get caught up in the moment and tend to score based on one or two moments in a round, rather than an overall view. Easily done i'm sure....we've all been there and the sound of a heavy punch can really weigh in on your impressions, but judges should be above this.
When you look at the stats, GGG was out working Canelo, Canelo was coming forward, but GGG upped his punch output to keep him thinking all the time. However Canelo did seem to throw a few more big shots, risking taking a few coming in, and I think it's this that swayed the fight in his favour by the ringside judges.
As I said, it's wrong, perhaps there should be a judge scoring the fight on the same view that us punters get on TV and away from the emotions of the crowd?
Oh well, at least it opens up the chance of a third fight
A bit of catching up from me here and I'll keep it short.
When you have two really good fighters (no disagreements that both aren't top of their game) it does seem that judges really get caught up in the moment and tend to score based on one or two moments in a round, rather than an overall view. Easily done i'm sure....we've all been there and the sound of a heavy punch can really weigh in on your impressions, but judges should be above this.
When you look at the stats, GGG was out working Canelo, Canelo was coming forward, but GGG upped his punch output to keep him thinking all the time. However Canelo did seem to throw a few more big shots, risking taking a few coming in, and I think it's this that swayed the fight in his favour by the ringside judges.
As I said, it's wrong, perhaps there should be a judge scoring the fight on the same view that us punters get on TV and away from the emotions of the crowd?
Oh well, at least it opens up the chance of a third fight
Fittster said:
What is the reason for not announcing the score at the end of each round?
It has to come - surely it removes all doubt? 90 mins are up in the footy - Villa lost 2-1 but they thought they were winning 1-0.Mad.
Why is it different to a team knowing they are losing as in any other match, and having to put more effort in, throw more punches etc to get the decision?
To the poster who said De La Hoya is bent, I agree wholeheartedly, I had great respect for him when he was in the ring, but as a promoter, none at all.
That's the issue with scoring a fight, it's subjective. The first fight I could have scored anything from a draw (if I gave swing rounds and was being very generous to Canelo) to a 116-112 win for Golovkin. For the rematch I could have scored anything from Canelo by a round to Golovkin by a round.
You have to look at the fact that Canelo was throwing and landing the better punches and he was backing Golovkin up. So when the round is close and Golovkin has landed nothing but (very effective!) jabs, the round will be given to Canelo because he's pushing the action and firing back with uppercuts to the body and ripping in hooks.
The rounds Golovkin won were sometimes big, the rounds Canelo won were for the most part stolen due to being more effective with his power punching and constantly chasing the fight. I just wish Golovkin had worked the body a little more and not let Canelo back him up. When was the last time we've ever seen him back up? That has a real mental effect on the judges too.
It's great to see two elite highly skilled middleweights be so evenly matched but it's no coincidence that Golovkin is having trouble with him now he's 36 years old. I would favour Canelo in 3rd fight based purely on the fact that he's in his physical prime and Golovkin is on the slide.
You have to look at the fact that Canelo was throwing and landing the better punches and he was backing Golovkin up. So when the round is close and Golovkin has landed nothing but (very effective!) jabs, the round will be given to Canelo because he's pushing the action and firing back with uppercuts to the body and ripping in hooks.
The rounds Golovkin won were sometimes big, the rounds Canelo won were for the most part stolen due to being more effective with his power punching and constantly chasing the fight. I just wish Golovkin had worked the body a little more and not let Canelo back him up. When was the last time we've ever seen him back up? That has a real mental effect on the judges too.
It's great to see two elite highly skilled middleweights be so evenly matched but it's no coincidence that Golovkin is having trouble with him now he's 36 years old. I would favour Canelo in 3rd fight based purely on the fact that he's in his physical prime and Golovkin is on the slide.
Robatr0n said:
That's the issue with scoring a fight, it's subjective. The first fight I could have scored anything from a draw (if I gave swing rounds and was being very generous to Canelo) to a 116-112 win for Golovkin. For the rematch I could have scored anything from Canelo by a round to Golovkin by a round.
You have to look at the fact that Canelo was throwing and landing the better punches and he was backing Golovkin up. So when the round is close and Golovkin has landed nothing but (very effective!) jabs, the round will be given to Canelo because he's pushing the action and firing back with uppercuts to the body and ripping in hooks.
The rounds Golovkin won were sometimes big, the rounds Canelo won were for the most part stolen due to being more effective with his power punching and constantly chasing the fight. I just wish Golovkin had worked the body a little more and not let Canelo back him up. When was the last time we've ever seen him back up? That has a real mental effect on the judges too.
It's great to see two elite highly skilled middleweights be so evenly matched but it's no coincidence that Golovkin is having trouble with him now he's 36 years old. I would favour Canelo in 3rd fight based purely on the fact that he's in his physical prime and Golovkin is on the slide.
i'm with you to a point dude...BUT.... i don't look at going backwards as necessarily a bad thing. you can make an argument that it's running if you are physically back pedalling to the point the other guy can't hit you(canelo did a bit of this in the first fight), however taking a half step backwards to create space is another thing entirely. yes, it was out of character for golovkin to be "pushed back" but i think any high intellect fighter would employ similar tactics when put under such ferocious forward pressure.let them come on, back out , reset and throw back. the punch stats certainly back up that golovkin's work rate was a lot higher than canelo's suggesting that even during times of moving backwards he was still out working the perceived aggressor....You have to look at the fact that Canelo was throwing and landing the better punches and he was backing Golovkin up. So when the round is close and Golovkin has landed nothing but (very effective!) jabs, the round will be given to Canelo because he's pushing the action and firing back with uppercuts to the body and ripping in hooks.
The rounds Golovkin won were sometimes big, the rounds Canelo won were for the most part stolen due to being more effective with his power punching and constantly chasing the fight. I just wish Golovkin had worked the body a little more and not let Canelo back him up. When was the last time we've ever seen him back up? That has a real mental effect on the judges too.
It's great to see two elite highly skilled middleweights be so evenly matched but it's no coincidence that Golovkin is having trouble with him now he's 36 years old. I would favour Canelo in 3rd fight based purely on the fact that he's in his physical prime and Golovkin is on the slide.
i've had 3 cracks at watching it now and i still cannot get past either 8-4 or 7-5 in favour of ggg.....even canelo's most ardent supporters need to ask themselves the question.."did he do enough to take the titles".....the answer is a resolute "no!!"
golovkin deserves the rematch(on neutral ground) and he surely deserves a fair shake for once having already convincingly won twice...
t...heard he was seriously ill in hospital a couple of days ago..sad news..tuscaneer said:
Not wanting to be argumentative pal....nicely put together and so on but if you scored the 12th to canelo you SERIOUSLY undermine your argument..that was a BIG BIG golovkin round.
I actually gave canelo the second which you have to golovkin....!!!..
I just watched the 12th again and I would just about give that to Canelo as well. He did the cuter work and the majority of the bigger punches - although I do admit that the 2 biggest punches of the round were probably from GGG.I actually gave canelo the second which you have to golovkin....!!!..
I could imagine seeing this round from different angles could offer a very different perspective though.
uk66fastback said:
Fittster said:
What is the reason for not announcing the score at the end of each round?
To the poster who said De La Hoya is bent, I agree wholeheartedly, I had great respect for him when he was in the ring, but as a promoter, none at all.Gassing Station | Sports | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff