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I had the misfortune of tuning in to talksport this afternoon. The Presenter Adrian Dunham (?) said last week it would be good for Joshua to lose on Saturday so we could see how good he really is. Today he is saying he doesn't want to fight Fury and is avoiding him
he is running scared. Who the f
k is the guy I would love Joshua to get on the phone and put him right .
he is running scared. Who the f
k is the guy I would love Joshua to get on the phone and put him right .johnxjsc1985 said:
I had the misfortune of tuning in to talksport this afternoon. The Presenter Adrian Dunham (?) said last week it would be good for Joshua to lose on Saturday so we could see how good he really is. Today he is saying he doesn't want to fight Fury and is avoiding him
he is running scared. Who the fk is the guy I would love Joshua to get on the phone and put him right .
The man is the Katie Hopkins of the sports world. Say something controversial to keep people tuned in. I doubt he believes a word of it but he knows what he has to do keep the listening figures up.he is running scared. Who the f
k is the guy I would love Joshua to get on the phone and put him right .The level of debate and analysis is pretty poor during the day on talksport, maybe the later programs give more insight but I've never checked them out.
selym said:
272BHP said:
Apparently French media are reporting the Campbell v Mendy fight as the scandal of the year.
They all had Mendy winning easily and said that the Wembley crowd booed the result.
Not the fight I watched, how did you guys see it?
Well they are fThey all had Mendy winning easily and said that the Wembley crowd booed the result.
Not the fight I watched, how did you guys see it?
king idiots. Campbell eased his way in, Mendy was on the front foot but didn't produce anything of not while Cambell was 'sticking and moving' as the saying goes (or went, I've long not known what goes on in boxing!).Mendy not so much.
Fittster said:
Considering AJ has KO'ed both Povetkin and whyte, something no one else has been able to do, I don't see him as particularly vulnerable to smaller, brawlers. Which current HW has a better track record against that style?
I'm not sure if Wilder carries more power than AJ. Has anyone faced them both?
If we ignored the fact that Povetkin wobbled him badly 3 times and Whyte made him do a funny dance only recovering some 2/3 rounds later, then yes, he's not at all vulnerable to that style. Make no mistake, a younger Povetkin would been able to keep that pressure up throughout the fight. I'm not saying he would have won the fight even then, but he would have been dangerous throughout the entire fight. I'm not sure if Wilder carries more power than AJ. Has anyone faced them both?
It's sloppiness on his part because he has that strong jarring jab required to keep people at bay but he was pawing it and not throwing with any authority. As soon as he started firing it out in round 4, the fight changed entirely.
As for who hits harder, it rarely comes down to common opponents and how quickly they got knocked out. That's not the best barometer but sometimes it's the only indicator. But I've read interesting accounts from sparring partners who have sparred both guys and there's not a single one of them who didn't have huge respect for their respective power but in general, the majority state that Wilder has ludicrous power. I remember listening to David Haye who said that Wilder has other worldly power and even with sparring gloves on he hit him far harder than he had been hit by anyone else.
Edited by Robatr0n on Tuesday 25th September 10:21
https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/115079...
Usyk is trying to make his way to Joshua. I didn't know about the rights of a 'Super Champion' and how they can become a mandatory for a weight division either side. Could be an interesting fight.
Usyk is trying to make his way to Joshua. I didn't know about the rights of a 'Super Champion' and how they can become a mandatory for a weight division either side. Could be an interesting fight.
theboyfold said:
https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/115079...
Usyk is trying to make his way to Joshua. I didn't know about the rights of a 'Super Champion' and how they can become a mandatory for a weight division either side. Could be an interesting fight.
Does he get an easy route to AJ? In the same way Fury gets a very easy path to fight Wilder? Usyk is trying to make his way to Joshua. I didn't know about the rights of a 'Super Champion' and how they can become a mandatory for a weight division either side. Could be an interesting fight.
For the credibility of the rankings/sport I'd like to see him deal with some like Whyte, Parker or Miller to earn a title shot. However as we know it's all about the money.
I'd like to see how he gets on with Bellew, who is bigger than Usyk. Joshua is obviously a lot bigger.
I expect he will beat Bellew fairly comfortably, but with AJ he would need to stay well out of the way all fight. I doubt it's a great idea to move up in weight and face someone like AJ. For instance, going from middleweight to super middleweight wouldn't have the same issues- there is no upper limit on how big a heavyweight can be. So rather than face a fighter who is a maximum of 6-7 Ib heavier, he could be facing someone 3 stone heavier than the cruiserweight limit!
I'm getting quite annoyed at all the nonsense around Wilder-AJ. It doesn't look like it'll ever get signed, and I don't believe Wilder even wants the fight. Have Wilder and Fury signed contracts properly yet? They don't even have a venue sorted. Perhaps Eddie could try and get Fury-AJ signed first?
I expect he will beat Bellew fairly comfortably, but with AJ he would need to stay well out of the way all fight. I doubt it's a great idea to move up in weight and face someone like AJ. For instance, going from middleweight to super middleweight wouldn't have the same issues- there is no upper limit on how big a heavyweight can be. So rather than face a fighter who is a maximum of 6-7 Ib heavier, he could be facing someone 3 stone heavier than the cruiserweight limit!
I'm getting quite annoyed at all the nonsense around Wilder-AJ. It doesn't look like it'll ever get signed, and I don't believe Wilder even wants the fight. Have Wilder and Fury signed contracts properly yet? They don't even have a venue sorted. Perhaps Eddie could try and get Fury-AJ signed first?
StuTheGrouch said:
I'm getting quite annoyed at all the nonsense around Wilder-AJ. It doesn't look like it'll ever get signed, and I don't believe Wilder even wants the fight. Have Wilder and Fury signed contracts properly yet? They don't even have a venue sorted. Perhaps Eddie could try and get Fury-AJ signed first?
Amirhussain said:
Groves v Smith this Friday.
Some of the most critical people have pulled out thoughhttps://sputniknews.com/world/201809251068322848-r...
Robatr0n said:
Fittster said:
Considering AJ has KO'ed both Povetkin and whyte, something no one else has been able to do, I don't see him as particularly vulnerable to smaller, brawlers. Which current HW has a better track record against that style?
I'm not sure if Wilder carries more power than AJ. Has anyone faced them both?
If we ignored the fact that Povetkin wobbled him badly 3 times and Whyte made him do a funny dance only recovering some 2/3 rounds later, then yes, he's not at all vulnerable to that style. Make no mistake, a younger Povetkin would been able to keep that pressure up throughout the fight. I'm not saying he would have won the fight even then, but he would have been dangerous throughout the entire fight. I'm not sure if Wilder carries more power than AJ. Has anyone faced them both?
It's sloppiness on his part because he has that strong jarring jab required to keep people at bay but he was pawing it and not throwing with any authority. As soon as he started firing it out in round 4, the fight changed entirely.
As for who hits harder, it rarely comes down to common opponents and how quickly they got knocked out. That's not the best barometer but sometimes it's the only indicator. But I've read interesting accounts from sparring partners who have sparred both guys and there's not a single one of them who didn't have huge respect for their respective power but in general, the majority state that Wilder has ludicrous power. I remember listening to David Haye who said that Wilder has other worldly power and even with sparring gloves on he hit him far harder than he had been hit by anyone else.
Edited by Robatr0n on Tuesday 25th September 10:21
I don’t think so.
He got caught off balance once.
No shakey legs at any time.
Took tne punches landed with no issues.
We could agree but then we'd both be wrong. 
That was not a polished performance from him. He could have made life far easier for himself if he'd done what he started doing in the 4th round and worked behind a confident snapping jab. Standing still and pawing a weak jab was always going to get him countered with that big overhand right which then allowed Povetkin to fire off his combos as the distance had been closed. But as I mentioned on here some time back, Povetkin's style was always going to be difficult for him and make him look vulnerable.
That was not a polished performance from him. He could have made life far easier for himself if he'd done what he started doing in the 4th round and worked behind a confident snapping jab. Standing still and pawing a weak jab was always going to get him countered with that big overhand right which then allowed Povetkin to fire off his combos as the distance had been closed. But as I mentioned on here some time back, Povetkin's style was always going to be difficult for him and make him look vulnerable.
Anyone knowledgeable on Pedraza? Will he trouble Lomachenko at all.
And Garcia is asking to postpone his mandatory to go up 2 weight divisions and take on Spence. Shame he isn't taking an easier fight at that weight first to get used to it, huge risk but admirable.
And Garcia is asking to postpone his mandatory to go up 2 weight divisions and take on Spence. Shame he isn't taking an easier fight at that weight first to get used to it, huge risk but admirable.
Edited by hyphen on Thursday 27th September 10:24
hyphen said:
Anyone knowledgeable on Pedraza? Will he trouble Lomachenko at all.
Stranger things have happened but I don't see him troubling Lomachenko. The only guy to have bested him was Davis and that's a guy who I think Lomachenko would toy and play with. I know triangle theories don't work in boxing but he's such a special talent that it would take guys like Mayweather or Pacquiao in their primes to outbox him. Even then it wouldn't be easy..Mikey Garcia is being touted as the guy to dethrone him and as a huge Garcia fan, I can only see Lomachenko making him look silly with his speed, work rate and sublime skill. Garcia is a fantastic fighter who appears to be having little problem in going through the weightclasses but Loma is all wrong for him.
eta - I prefer Garcia's skillset to Spence's but he is just too small. Spence has great pop in his punches and is improving with every fight he takes. I can't help but feel Mikey would get stopped late.
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