The **BOXING** thread Vol 2

[Brads67]

Josh Taylor this weekend.

My household will explode when he wins

[FredClogs]

tuscaneer said:

been watching fury on the pads...my god he's looking sharp!!..... i predict he will be comfortably ahead on the cards before being unplugged in the second half of the fight....

i hope he wins though because the build up to him versus joshua would be off the scale!

Yes, he looks great on the pads. Question is how aggressive Wilder is, should he come out swinging it could all go south very quickly, he won't want Fury to get a rhythm and won't let him grab and hold. It's a fascinating fight, so glad it's happening.

[Fittster]

LoonyTunes said:

tuscaneer said:

been watching fury on the pads...my god he's looking sharp!!..... i predict he will be comfortably ahead on the cards before being unplugged in the second half of the fight....

i hope he wins though because the build up to him versus joshua would be off the scale!

I don't think Fury is getting enough credit for how 'smart' he can be in the ring. He completely bamboozled the greatest heavyweight of the last decade.

Wilder telegraphs those windmills half-an-hour before launching them so I can see Fury stepping out of range of them with not to much bother.

For me it comes down to how much ring-rust Fury still has in him after the prolonged lay-off.

For me the Fury that beat Wlad would beat Wilder just as comfortably.

Besides the fight against Wlad when has he shown ring smarts? To be the fight against Wlad was a complete one off (when he was doped up), and he's never previously replicated. Steve Cunning puts you on your backside, Wilder flattens you.

[LoonyTunes]

Fittster said:

LoonyTunes said:

tuscaneer said:

been watching fury on the pads...my god he's looking sharp!!..... i predict he will be comfortably ahead on the cards before being unplugged in the second half of the fight....

i hope he wins though because the build up to him versus joshua would be off the scale!

I don't think Fury is getting enough credit for how 'smart' he can be in the ring. He completely bamboozled the greatest heavyweight of the last decade.

Wilder telegraphs those windmills half-an-hour before launching them so I can see Fury stepping out of range of them with not to much bother.

For me it comes down to how much ring-rust Fury still has in him after the prolonged lay-off.

For me the Fury that beat Wlad would beat Wilder just as comfortably.

Besides the fight against Wlad when has he shown ring smarts? To be the fight against Wlad was a complete one off (when he was doped up), and he's never previously replicated. Steve Cunning puts you on your backside, Wilder flattens you.

"When has he shown ring smarts?" He's yet to lose. He's adapted to the man in front of him every time. You don't get away with that against Wlad (who really should have beaten AJ in the 6th) round unless you have "ring smarts". I don't think you get lucky against Wlad over 12 rounds - it takes a plan - like Ali vs Foreman.

I just watched some of Wilders knockouts, and those windmills start off so far back they almost cross the Canadian border.

I think Wilder will win as I don't think Fury is ready for this fight yet but IMO it won't be his usual gung-ho type victory.

[tuscaneer]

LoonyTunes said:

Fittster said:

LoonyTunes said:

tuscaneer said:

been watching fury on the pads...my god he's looking sharp!!..... i predict he will be comfortably ahead on the cards before being unplugged in the second half of the fight....

i hope he wins though because the build up to him versus joshua would be off the scale!

I don't think Fury is getting enough credit for how 'smart' he can be in the ring. He completely bamboozled the greatest heavyweight of the last decade.

Wilder telegraphs those windmills half-an-hour before launching them so I can see Fury stepping out of range of them with not to much bother.

For me it comes down to how much ring-rust Fury still has in him after the prolonged lay-off.

For me the Fury that beat Wlad would beat Wilder just as comfortably.

Besides the fight against Wlad when has he shown ring smarts? To be the fight against Wlad was a complete one off (when he was doped up), and he's never previously replicated. Steve Cunning puts you on your backside, Wilder flattens you.

"When has he shown ring smarts?" He's yet to lose. He's adapted to the man in front of him every time. You don't get away with that against Wlad (who really should have beaten AJ in the 6th) round unless you have "ring smarts". I don't think you get lucky against Wlad over 12 rounds - it takes a plan - like Ali vs Foreman.

I just watched some of Wilders knockouts, and those windmills start off so far back they almost cross the Canadian border.

I think Wilder will win as I don't think Fury is ready for this fight yet but IMO it won't be his usual gung-ho type victory.

i think the wlad fight was a complete anomaly for all the reasons we discussed at the time,....i can't give fury massive credit with the failed drug test pre dating the fight coupled with hayden panettiere's post natal depression and hospitalisation in the weeks before the fight.......
there was no way fury was going to take that rematch as he knew a fully focused klitschko would clean his clock.....

and i reckon john mcdermott would argue the case about fury being unbeaten

[tuscaneer]

theboyfold said:

tuscaneer said:

been watching fury on the pads...my god he's looking sharp!!..... i predict he will be comfortably ahead on the cards before being unplugged in the second half of the fight....

i hope he wins though because the build up to him versus joshua would be off the scale!

I agree, I can't see how he can stay out of range of a windmill for 12 rounds. I think Wilder will work out that Fury doesn't have the heaviest hands and will gamble late in the fight.

think you're right ....fury is so light on his feet he can't really set for power...which will keep him out of the way if not allow him to pile drive right hands into wilder...can it keep him out of the way of a big shot for 36 minutes??....suppose we will see!!

[Fittster]

LoonyTunes said:

Fittster said:

LoonyTunes said:

tuscaneer said:

been watching fury on the pads...my god he's looking sharp!!..... i predict he will be comfortably ahead on the cards before being unplugged in the second half of the fight....

i hope he wins though because the build up to him versus joshua would be off the scale!

I don't think Fury is getting enough credit for how 'smart' he can be in the ring. He completely bamboozled the greatest heavyweight of the last decade.

Wilder telegraphs those windmills half-an-hour before launching them so I can see Fury stepping out of range of them with not to much bother.

For me it comes down to how much ring-rust Fury still has in him after the prolonged lay-off.

For me the Fury that beat Wlad would beat Wilder just as comfortably.

Besides the fight against Wlad when has he shown ring smarts? To be the fight against Wlad was a complete one off (when he was doped up), and he's never previously replicated. Steve Cunning puts you on your backside, Wilder flattens you.

"When has he shown ring smarts?" He's yet to lose. He's adapted to the man in front of him every time. You don't get away with that against Wlad (who really should have beaten AJ in the 6th) round unless you have "ring smarts". I don't think you get lucky against Wlad over 12 rounds - it takes a plan - like Ali vs Foreman.

I just watched some of Wilders knockouts, and those windmills start off so far back they almost cross the Canadian border.

I think Wilder will win as I don't think Fury is ready for this fight yet but IMO it won't be his usual gung-ho type victory.

Wilder is unbeaten and has face more opponents than Fury, does that mean he has greater ring smarts?

If you look past the Wlad fight what's his best win Del Boy? He's got one world class win on his record, when he was using drugs.

In my opinion he's going for broke now as if he took on someone like Whyte in an eliminator he'd get found out and miss out on millions (and it's always about the money in boxing). Do you think someone coming back from a drugs ban should be able to fight two unknown fighters and then get a title shot?

[LoonyTunes]

Fittster said:

Do you think someone coming back from a drugs ban should be able to fight two unknown fighters and then get a title shot?

Surely the question is should someone who's had a drugs ban ever be allowed to fight again - it's not a question of how many fights should he have before getting a title fight.

You can't be excited by a Canelo fight but then moan about Fury getting a shot. You're either clean or you're not.

[Fittster]

LoonyTunes said:

Fittster said:

Do you think someone coming back from a drugs ban should be able to fight two unknown fighters and then get a title shot?

Surely the question is should someone who's had a drugs ban ever be allowed to fight again - it's not a question of how many fights should he have before getting a title fight.

You can't be excited by a Canelo fight but then moan about Fury getting a shot. You're either clean or you're not.

Personally I'd like to see people server a ban and then go back to square one. However that's never going to happen in boxing.

Anyway to summarize my views on Fury.

1. He's only got one good win on his CV.
2. His only good win was when he was using PEDs.
3. The skills he used during that fight he has never previously shown. I don't believe he's a HW version of Whitaker
4. He doesn't appear to have the power of other top heavy weights. Against the better fighters on his CV he's been taken into later rounds or two points. AJ, Wilder and Wlad were generally able to take out opponents earlier in fights.
5. His chin is no better than OK. He's never been KO'ed put small opponents have put him on the canvas (check the Steve Cunningham fight). If Wilder or AJ land it's goodnight and unlike Wlad they aren't going to be gun shy.
6. His favorite technique isn't to use superior skills, it's to use his 6ft 9in frame to squash smaller fighters (e.g. Cunningham and chisora). That isn't going to work against the really big men like AJ and Wilder.

I can't see Fury being able to trade with Wilder or AJ, he won't have a huge advantage in the clinch, so he's going to have to be elusive and try for a points win. Maybe will see a repeat of his performance against Wlad but I'm calling that anomaly.

[FredClogs]

The most impressive fight Fury has been in, Klitschko aside, was second fight with Chisora. He genuinely made Chisora look silly in a way Haye, Vitali, Helenius etc... couldn't. Yes Chisora has always been beatable at the toppest level but Fury recally worked him over.

[Amirhussain]

FredClogs said:

The most impressive fight Fury has been in, Klitschko aside, was second fight with Chisora. He genuinely made Chisora look silly in a way Haye, Vitali, Helenius etc... couldn't. Yes Chisora has always been beatable at the toppest level but Fury recally worked him over.

Yeah I remember that. Made Chisora look like he was someone picked out of the crowd.

I hope Fury wins. If he can withstand the early ‘windmill’ pressure, I think he’ll outbox Wilder and frustrate him. Just has to be careful he doesn’t get caught like Szpilka and KTFO.

[theboyfold]

I don't know who I want to win, I like Fury and Wilder. I think a Fury win would be better for the division, but a Wilder win would setup the biggest heavyweight show down for a long time with AJ.

I still can't see Wilder not catching Fury and don't think Fury a big enough hitter to worry Wilder. Wlad lost the fight with Fury as he didn't let his hands go, I'm sure that won't be the case with Wilder.

It's a fantastic fight and one I might even pay for!

[Fittster]

I guess the real question is there anyone not willing to pay for Fury v Wilder?

Unfortunate it starting around 05:00, I'm too old to stay up that long and it's hard to get pumped up for the fight if you get out of bed at stupid o'clock.

[dirty boy]

Fittster said:

I guess the real question is there anyone not willing to pay for Fury v Wilder?

Unfortunate it starting around 05:00, I'm too old to stay up that long and it's hard to get pumped up for the fight if you get out of bed at stupid o'clock.

I'll be tuning in for it. My kids get up a 5am most mornings for swimming, so doing it on a weekend won't be much of a hardship

I like Fury, product of his environment in some respects, but it's clear he's actually quite intelligent (not in an educated kind of way...I think you all know what I mean).

That Rogan interview really shows him in a different light. I do think his lifestylemay well catch up with him sooner rather than later though and for that reason I think Wilder catches him, but i'd love to see Fury win, then a motivated Fury fighting Joshua in the UK would be quite the spectacle!

[ofcorsa]

As someone who isn’t a huge fan of Fury, I think his appearance on Joe Rogans podcast did himself a great favor

[Northbloke]

ofcorsa said:

think his appearance on Joe Rogans podcast did himself a great favor

Agreed. Great honest interview.

Will be rooting for him now.

[Amirhussain]

Dillian Whyte next opponent announcement tomorrow...Ortiz?

[hyphen]

Amirhussain said:

Dillian Whyte next opponent announcement tomorrow...Ortiz?

Ortiz is fighting on the Wilder Fury undercard.

[tuscaneer]

chisora rematch?....that's my bet

[StuTheGrouch]

I reckon Chisora too. Their last fight was a bit of a battle, but ultimately both were knackered and the least knackered bloke won. Whyte has improved since, whereas Chisora seems to be more focused. Should be a good fight, but I doubt the result will be any different.