The Running Thread Vol 2
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Fusss said:
My HR zones on Garmin are set as 183 max which is the 220 minus age calculation and then it's set by percentages, so in theory they are set correctly.
I just struggle to see how I am constantly running for over an hour with a HR of over 180. I'd be on the floor.
Yeah on my easy runs it is easy, not pushing at all. Still shows max zone for the whole thing with an average of approx 175-180.
Using the 220 minus age is about as reliable as guessing someone's weight when all the information you have is their height.I just struggle to see how I am constantly running for over an hour with a HR of over 180. I'd be on the floor.
Yeah on my easy runs it is easy, not pushing at all. Still shows max zone for the whole thing with an average of approx 175-180.
The easy answer to this is to run up a hill 5 times in succession. Give it everything and the highest reading you record is your MHR.
You could get a cheap chest strap for about £20 on Amazon or about £40 for a Garmin,.
So I went for comparison run yesterday.
Forerunner 55 on one wrist and the wife’s apple watch on the other.
Heart rates matched almost identically, so definitely no issue with the new Forerunner. Took I pretty easy, ended up running a 15k at 6.02 minute km’s average.
Heart rate was average 172bpm, maxed at 184bpm. Never felt out of breath and was one of the easiest runs effort wise I’ve done for ages. Even had a 5 minute phone conversation half way round with no ill effects or breathlessness.
I looked over my previous couple of months and noticed I had peak HR’s at 190, so set that as my max on the Forerunner. Last nights run was 1.5 hours, 50% in threshold orange zone, 50% in maximum red zone. Had so much more to give effort wise and it was a genuinely relaxed pace. It would have felt seriously under cooked to run slower and sit in the aerobic zone according to the watch.
Is this just the way I am and shouldn’t really be a concern as long as I feel fine? Just run by feel and effort?
Forerunner 55 on one wrist and the wife’s apple watch on the other.
Heart rates matched almost identically, so definitely no issue with the new Forerunner. Took I pretty easy, ended up running a 15k at 6.02 minute km’s average.
Heart rate was average 172bpm, maxed at 184bpm. Never felt out of breath and was one of the easiest runs effort wise I’ve done for ages. Even had a 5 minute phone conversation half way round with no ill effects or breathlessness.
I looked over my previous couple of months and noticed I had peak HR’s at 190, so set that as my max on the Forerunner. Last nights run was 1.5 hours, 50% in threshold orange zone, 50% in maximum red zone. Had so much more to give effort wise and it was a genuinely relaxed pace. It would have felt seriously under cooked to run slower and sit in the aerobic zone according to the watch.
Is this just the way I am and shouldn’t really be a concern as long as I feel fine? Just run by feel and effort?
Fusss said:
Is this just the way I am and shouldn’t really be a concern as long as I feel fine? Just run by feel and effort?
You're like me - just someone who has a fast HR no matter how slow they try and run. Mine shoots up to 160 straight away and either sits about 160-170 if I'm taking it easy or sits at 170-180 if I'm pushing.Here's a race from last year, I was 40 so max HR "should" be about 180 but you can see it sits at 160 straight away, hits 180 at 30 minutes in but I still have some left in the tank for a "sprint" finish.
Garmin reckons my VO2 max is 49.
Few quid off of Garmin watches today as it's apparently global running day, in case anyone hasn't seen it;
https://www.garmin.com/en-GB/c/promotions/running-...
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3 x 2 miles today in prep for a 10k coming up. Have been ignoring speed work the last 10 weeks in favour of a mountain running series and it’s showing. Managed to keep them even at least.
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Made an attempt at checking my max HR last night.
On the treadmill, max incline, 30 second stints at 10.5mph, then stop, then go again. Did about 5 stints.
Max HR...... 186. I was hurting, dripping in sweat.
So basically all of my runs, regardless of effort or pace, I sit in my maximum threshold. What gives?!
On the treadmill, max incline, 30 second stints at 10.5mph, then stop, then go again. Did about 5 stints.
Max HR...... 186. I was hurting, dripping in sweat.
So basically all of my runs, regardless of effort or pace, I sit in my maximum threshold. What gives?!
Fusss said:
Smitters said:
Wrist or chest strap? I'd try and borrow a chest strap if you're using your wrist sensor. May be the issue.
I don't own a chest strap, only using the wrist sensor on the Forerunner.What's the best inexpensive but decent chest strap to get that can link to the forerunner to override the wrist readings?
Just FYI, I was doing a bike session on Zwift this week. Chest strap linked to the bike computer and my watch on my wrist, just being a watch. My HR was 160 and I checked the watch out of interest. 93. AFAIK you have to really strap a watch on tightly to get a more accurate reading when exercising, which I find quite uncomfortable. I appreciate it's the opposite problem, but it illustrates the limitations of wrist readings.
I've had a Wahoo Tickr paired with both a Forerunner 235 and Edge 800.
I sweated the strap portion of it to death, so got one of these straps from Amazon and just clipped the Tickr electronics pod onto it. All working fine for about two years now.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B06WLMMG7S
I sweated the strap portion of it to death, so got one of these straps from Amazon and just clipped the Tickr electronics pod onto it. All working fine for about two years now.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B06WLMMG7S
On the subject of HR. Sounds like the poster above has some kind of issue (either physically or with tech).
On a 90 min easy run my HR would be 135 bpm. Throw in hills 145-150. Lumpy 5km cross county race from this morning… well you can see the data below (max 188, mid 170’s average). I’m 49 and my Garmin estimated V02 max is 62.
I use a Garmin chest strap. Interesting ( and usual) to see a wide band of HR depending on the pace of the run.
On a 90 min easy run my HR would be 135 bpm. Throw in hills 145-150. Lumpy 5km cross county race from this morning… well you can see the data below (max 188, mid 170’s average). I’m 49 and my Garmin estimated V02 max is 62.
I use a Garmin chest strap. Interesting ( and usual) to see a wide band of HR depending on the pace of the run.
Edited by Mankers on Saturday 10th June 12:12
Edited by Mankers on Saturday 10th June 12:16
Fusss said:
Made an attempt at checking my max HR last night.
On the treadmill, max incline, 30 second stints at 10.5mph, then stop, then go again. Did about 5 stints.
Max HR...... 186. I was hurting, dripping in sweat.
So basically all of my runs, regardless of effort or pace, I sit in my maximum threshold. What gives?!
Try wearing your watch a little tighter.On the treadmill, max incline, 30 second stints at 10.5mph, then stop, then go again. Did about 5 stints.
Max HR...... 186. I was hurting, dripping in sweat.
So basically all of my runs, regardless of effort or pace, I sit in my maximum threshold. What gives?!
I noticed with one of my wrist based watches that if it was loose, it started picking up my cadence instead of my HR. I guess because my wrist arteries were "ringing" with the impact of footstrikes.
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