The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
AndStilliRise said:
Marathon training has started. 21m on Sunday which i am not looking forward too. Not sure how i am going to do it on my own. I can do the distance as part of an event or something but on my own, generally finding it boring, long and cold!
Do you mean you've just started? Just curious as I've never ran further than 22m on a long run in training, and that was around 3 weeks before the actual event.
My first few long runs this month will be 12-18 miles in prep for an April marathon.
MattS5 said:
AndStilliRise said:
Marathon training has started. 21m on Sunday which i am not looking forward too. Not sure how i am going to do it on my own. I can do the distance as part of an event or something but on my own, generally finding it boring, long and cold!
Do you mean you've just started? Just curious as I've never ran further than 22m on a long run in training, and that was around 3 weeks before the actual event.
My first few long runs this month will be 12-18 miles in prep for an April marathon.
egor110 said:
egor110 said:
March 12th i'm doing the grizzly then 2nd april I'm doing ex to axe another 22 ish mile off road coastal run , what mileage should i be doing in the gap between them?
Anyone ?AndStilliRise said:
egor110 said:
egor110 said:
March 12th i'm doing the grizzly then 2nd april I'm doing ex to axe another 22 ish mile off road coastal run , what mileage should i be doing in the gap between them?
Anyone ?egor110 said:
AndStilliRise said:
egor110 said:
egor110 said:
March 12th i'm doing the grizzly then 2nd april I'm doing ex to axe another 22 ish mile off road coastal run , what mileage should i be doing in the gap between them?
Anyone ?Maybe take an easy week after the first race then pick it up again by running a couple of weeks with 13/15 mile runs and then ease down just before the second one.
It really is a personal thing though so base it all on how you feel - both physically and mentally.
But just to illustrate how difficult it is for anyone else to tell you here's my end if Feb/March races.
Feb 26 - Road marathon
March 5 - trail marathon
March 24/25/26 - 3 marathons in 3 days
Between the first two I will aim to do a couple of 10kms and a parkrun.
Between the second two I will probably aim for 25/30 km a week but easing right down in the last few days.
Am also quitting alcohol for the period to try and give myself a better chance of consistent sleep.
Has anyone here done any of the Beyond The Ultimate ultra runs? Looking for some personal opinions 
http://www.beyondtheultimate.co.uk/index.asp
http://www.beyondtheultimate.co.uk/index.asp
markh1973 said:
egor110 said:
AndStilliRise said:
egor110 said:
egor110 said:
March 12th i'm doing the grizzly then 2nd april I'm doing ex to axe another 22 ish mile off road coastal run , what mileage should i be doing in the gap between them?
Anyone ?Maybe take an easy week after the first race then pick it up again by running a couple of weeks with 13/15 mile runs and then ease down just before the second one.
It really is a personal thing though so base it all on how you feel - both physically and mentally.
But just to illustrate how difficult it is for anyone else to tell you here's my end if Feb/March races.
Feb 26 - Road marathon
March 5 - trail marathon
March 24/25/26 - 3 marathons in 3 days
Between the first two I will aim to do a couple of 10kms and a parkrun.
Between the second two I will probably aim for 25/30 km a week but easing right down in the last few days.
Am also quitting alcohol for the period to try and give myself a better chance of consistent sleep.
Generally with 3 or 4 weeks in between events I was doing a week recovery, fairly hard week, then a week taper. The long run inbetween I'd be looking at around 16-18 miles but it depends how you feel, you really don't want to be over doing it.
AndStilliRise said:
Marathon training has started. 21m on Sunday which i am not looking forward too. Not sure how i am going to do it on my own. I can do the distance as part of an event or something but on my own, generally finding it boring, long and cold!
Did 20m today. 3:02 so not too bad. Been trying to run slow runs slow and with recent injuries this worked out OK. AndStilliRise said:
Did 20m today. 3:02 so not too bad. Been trying to run slow runs slow and with recent injuries this worked out OK.
- well done I'm just back from a 15.5m run. Rather misty this morning, but a good and somewhat hilly session. The roads were very quiet and I only saw 5 cars the whole time I was out
AndStilliRise said:
I have ran ~50 marathons. I usually start the year with a Sub3 dream and 2017 is no exception! The idea is, that training should be comfortable and easy and then racing should be hard, however i generally finding running marathons easier than training on my j's for 21miles.
Ah, you're one of them 
Makes perfect sense now
My cousin runs 20+ milers for fun nearly every weekend and once you've got the miles in your legs over a period of time I guess building up for a marathon (to finish) isn't an issue.
He's completed just over 130 (mostly ultras) in the last 10 years but is currently focussing on speed for his VLM attempt this year.
Running 6 45's for 26 miles is off the scale.
I had a good run at the county cross country championships yesterday.
Got my pacing right at the start, and when it got tough at around halfway I was able to dig in and hold off the guys behind, and still make some progress towards the people in front of me. A good position (close to my best ever counties result) and scoring for the team who got a silver medal all added up to a great day!
Compared to mid-December I put a minute into a guy who beat me by 17 seconds in a previous race, so it seems like I'm progressing well! Hoping to keep this going and I'll be doing the midland and national cross country races this season too.
Did anyone else do their counties xc this year?
Got my pacing right at the start, and when it got tough at around halfway I was able to dig in and hold off the guys behind, and still make some progress towards the people in front of me. A good position (close to my best ever counties result) and scoring for the team who got a silver medal all added up to a great day!
Compared to mid-December I put a minute into a guy who beat me by 17 seconds in a previous race, so it seems like I'm progressing well! Hoping to keep this going and I'll be doing the midland and national cross country races this season too.
Did anyone else do their counties xc this year?
I'm at a real low point in my running and just need to share my woe with likeminded folks.
In less than a week, I've got the popular Brass Monkey Half Marathon up in York. This was supposed to be a PB attempt, and in all honesty, was almost guaranteed. I'd missed out on a half marathon PB back in September due to illness, but wrote it off as part of the bigger picture of an autumn marathon.
Training was going well for next week's race and I felt like I was on the cusp of a decent breakthrough. Then, in early December, I caught a cold that set me back by almost 2 weeks. I missed out (DNF) on a flat and fast 10k, that was also meant to be a sure fire PB if healthy. Once fit enough to train again, I was back on it and felt like I'd lost nothing at all. Shortly before Christmas, I then picked up the flu, which wrote off another 2 weeks of training once again.
I felt fit enough to resume training just before NYD, but then picked up an Achilles niggle that's taken a week or so to clear up.
I've written off next week's race, and will just treat it as a glorified training run with a nice long-sleeve top as my reward at the end.
Sigh...
In less than a week, I've got the popular Brass Monkey Half Marathon up in York. This was supposed to be a PB attempt, and in all honesty, was almost guaranteed. I'd missed out on a half marathon PB back in September due to illness, but wrote it off as part of the bigger picture of an autumn marathon.
Training was going well for next week's race and I felt like I was on the cusp of a decent breakthrough. Then, in early December, I caught a cold that set me back by almost 2 weeks. I missed out (DNF) on a flat and fast 10k, that was also meant to be a sure fire PB if healthy. Once fit enough to train again, I was back on it and felt like I'd lost nothing at all. Shortly before Christmas, I then picked up the flu, which wrote off another 2 weeks of training once again.
I felt fit enough to resume training just before NYD, but then picked up an Achilles niggle that's taken a week or so to clear up.
I've written off next week's race, and will just treat it as a glorified training run with a nice long-sleeve top as my reward at the end.
Sigh...
Cybertronian said:
I'm at a real low point in my running and just need to share my woe with likeminded folks.
In less than a week, I've got the popular Brass Monkey Half Marathon up in York. This was supposed to be a PB attempt, and in all honesty, was almost guaranteed. I'd missed out on a half marathon PB back in September due to illness, but wrote it off as part of the bigger picture of an autumn marathon.
Training was going well for next week's race and I felt like I was on the cusp of a decent breakthrough. Then, in early December, I caught a cold that set me back by almost 2 weeks. I missed out (DNF) on a flat and fast 10k, that was also meant to be a sure fire PB if healthy. Once fit enough to train again, I was back on it and felt like I'd lost nothing at all. Shortly before Christmas, I then picked up the flu, which wrote off another 2 weeks of training once again.
I felt fit enough to resume training just before NYD, but then picked up an Achilles niggle that's taken a week or so to clear up.
I've written off next week's race, and will just treat it as a glorified training run with a nice long-sleeve top as my reward at the end.
Sigh...
That's sad to hear-it sounds like everything has come at once!!In less than a week, I've got the popular Brass Monkey Half Marathon up in York. This was supposed to be a PB attempt, and in all honesty, was almost guaranteed. I'd missed out on a half marathon PB back in September due to illness, but wrote it off as part of the bigger picture of an autumn marathon.
Training was going well for next week's race and I felt like I was on the cusp of a decent breakthrough. Then, in early December, I caught a cold that set me back by almost 2 weeks. I missed out (DNF) on a flat and fast 10k, that was also meant to be a sure fire PB if healthy. Once fit enough to train again, I was back on it and felt like I'd lost nothing at all. Shortly before Christmas, I then picked up the flu, which wrote off another 2 weeks of training once again.
I felt fit enough to resume training just before NYD, but then picked up an Achilles niggle that's taken a week or so to clear up.
I've written off next week's race, and will just treat it as a glorified training run with a nice long-sleeve top as my reward at the end.
Sigh...
One of the things that has relay revitalised my running, and especially racing this year is forgetting about time/ position and just focussing on competing with the people around me. This has mostly been on the country so it's easier to forget about time but it's made racing fun again for me, which was something I'd lacked beforehand.
Maybe set out, feel your way into the first mile and then just try and race the people around you? Have fun and a bit of a play with it, you might be surprised where you end up.
Bad post to follow the previous one considering how happy I am at the mo.Sorry! I do know how you feel though, last year was my first ever injury/setback free year which explains my current form.
Been smashing it since November and PBd in every distance I do breaking some long term goals too.
Been trying to go sub 20 for 5k since 2013 and have done it 3 times since Nov with a best of 19.00 (so annoyed it wasnt sub 19 now lol) gone to 40.48 for 10k so the eventual goal there is maybe a sub 40 as that course did involve a couple of solid hills. Pinched a few fastest segments on Strava. And today I did the Rough n Tumble 10 (miles) which is a bit of a savage cross country with big hills. Been doing it for 5 years now with a previous PB of 1hr.32. My goal for today was just to beat 1hr30, didnt care if it was only 1hr29.59 but I managed to drag my backside round in 1hr22.07!
Been smashing it since November and PBd in every distance I do breaking some long term goals too.
Been trying to go sub 20 for 5k since 2013 and have done it 3 times since Nov with a best of 19.00 (so annoyed it wasnt sub 19 now lol) gone to 40.48 for 10k so the eventual goal there is maybe a sub 40 as that course did involve a couple of solid hills. Pinched a few fastest segments on Strava. And today I did the Rough n Tumble 10 (miles) which is a bit of a savage cross country with big hills. Been doing it for 5 years now with a previous PB of 1hr.32. My goal for today was just to beat 1hr30, didnt care if it was only 1hr29.59 but I managed to drag my backside round in 1hr22.07!
Cybertronian said:
I'm at a real low point in my running and just need to share my woe with likeminded folks.
In less than a week, I've got the popular Brass Monkey Half Marathon up in York. This was supposed to be a PB attempt, and in all honesty, was almost guaranteed. I'd missed out on a half marathon PB back in September due to illness, but wrote it off as part of the bigger picture of an autumn marathon.
Training was going well for next week's race and I felt like I was on the cusp of a decent breakthrough. Then, in early December, I caught a cold that set me back by almost 2 weeks. I missed out (DNF) on a flat and fast 10k, that was also meant to be a sure fire PB if healthy. Once fit enough to train again, I was back on it and felt like I'd lost nothing at all. Shortly before Christmas, I then picked up the flu, which wrote off another 2 weeks of training once again.
I felt fit enough to resume training just before NYD, but then picked up an Achilles niggle that's taken a week or so to clear up.
I've written off next week's race, and will just treat it as a glorified training run with a nice long-sleeve top as my reward at the end.
Sigh...
The term pb is littered in your post and your problem.In less than a week, I've got the popular Brass Monkey Half Marathon up in York. This was supposed to be a PB attempt, and in all honesty, was almost guaranteed. I'd missed out on a half marathon PB back in September due to illness, but wrote it off as part of the bigger picture of an autumn marathon.
Training was going well for next week's race and I felt like I was on the cusp of a decent breakthrough. Then, in early December, I caught a cold that set me back by almost 2 weeks. I missed out (DNF) on a flat and fast 10k, that was also meant to be a sure fire PB if healthy. Once fit enough to train again, I was back on it and felt like I'd lost nothing at all. Shortly before Christmas, I then picked up the flu, which wrote off another 2 weeks of training once again.
I felt fit enough to resume training just before NYD, but then picked up an Achilles niggle that's taken a week or so to clear up.
I've written off next week's race, and will just treat it as a glorified training run with a nice long-sleeve top as my reward at the end.
Sigh...
Forget about time , do something different push the mileage so it's a whole new ball game , run somewhere scenic and treat it like a running sportive , run with people slower purely to help them get around a distance you could do easily.
egor110 said:
The term pb is littered in your post and your problem.
Forget about time , do something different push the mileage so it's a whole new ball game , run somewhere scenic and treat it like a running sportive , run with people slower purely to help them get around a distance you could do easily.
Don't get me wrong - I love having focused training and, as you've spotted, PBs are what keeps me driven. I'm just bemoaning my lack of luck over the past month or so; I don't normally become ill more than once a year and I'm pretty injury resilient - just not on this occasion.Forget about time , do something different push the mileage so it's a whole new ball game , run somewhere scenic and treat it like a running sportive , run with people slower purely to help them get around a distance you could do easily.
MattS5 said:
AndStilliRise said:
I have ran ~50 marathons. I usually start the year with a Sub3 dream and 2017 is no exception! The idea is, that training should be comfortable and easy and then racing should be hard, however i generally finding running marathons easier than training on my j's for 21miles.
Ah, you're one of them Makes perfect sense now
My cousin runs 20+ milers for fun nearly every weekend and once you've got the miles in your legs over a period of time I guess building up for a marathon (to finish) isn't an issue.
He's completed just over 130 (mostly ultras) in the last 10 years but is currently focussing on speed for his VLM attempt this year.
Running 6 45's for 26 miles is off the scale.
Only really a hobby for me, although like everyone else would love to improve somewhat to the point were i am fast. Many people around me just blitz past me but then they do train for it!
AndStilliRise said:
I have ran ~50 marathons. I usually start the year with a Sub3 dream and 2017 is no exception! The idea is, that training should be comfortable and easy and then racing should be hard, however i generally finding running marathons easier than training on my j's for 21miles.
A few suggestions:Drive somewhere new and get out for a run.
Have somebody drop you off 21 miles from home (I find it's psychologically easier when running point to point, especially if wind is behind you the whole way!)
Find a local half marathon (or similar). Run 5 miles as a warm up, aiming to join the start line just before the gun fires. Treat race as training run (don't get carried away - the 5M warmup should help with that). At the end run another 3 miles.
Find a local marathon. As long as you are ~20minutes slower than your honest 'shape', it should not hurt. (This is for well trained runners only)
PS - I've not posted here in a while due to a repeat stress fractures in my left foot, but have recently started 'training' (rather than just jogging) again, so taking more interest. I'm in the PH Strava group as Dave A. My last marathon was 2:28.
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