The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
tenohfive said:
egor110 said:
Went out to do 10ish but ended up with 7 miles around wimbellball lake on Exmoor.
Toaday's lesson was hoka challengers are seriously s
t in muddy/leafy gloop , when you can't run uphill because the more pressure you apply the more the shoe just slides and i was pretty much just sliding down hill.
Back to the inov8's for the winter.
Completely agree. For summer or groomed trails they're a cracking, do anything (almost) shoe. But it's Mudclaw Season now. Although I'm still hoping to get some use out of the Hokas on the early morning, frozen ground runs.Toaday's lesson was hoka challengers are seriously s
t in muddy/leafy gloop , when you can't run uphill because the more pressure you apply the more the shoe just slides and i was pretty much just sliding down hill.Back to the inov8's for the winter.
While I'm sat here at the computer, calfs feeling a bit stiff, but otherwise in fine fettle, I'm wondering 'what next'.
I think at least another half marathon within the next year, if not more but I'm tempted to do a half on trail rather than road as that's what I've done most of since I started running in Feb.
There's the HooHah Series which are run around my area (Wimpole Hall, Thetford Forest, Childerly and Hatfield Forest) which is four 10k events, and a 10mile and half marathon event.
https://hoohaah.co.uk/
I think it's a not unreasonable goal to aim to do that lot next year.
Anyone done any of the HooHah events?
I think at least another half marathon within the next year, if not more but I'm tempted to do a half on trail rather than road as that's what I've done most of since I started running in Feb.
There's the HooHah Series which are run around my area (Wimpole Hall, Thetford Forest, Childerly and Hatfield Forest) which is four 10k events, and a 10mile and half marathon event.
https://hoohaah.co.uk/
I think it's a not unreasonable goal to aim to do that lot next year.
Anyone done any of the HooHah events?
Looking for some recommendations on good winter running jackets. I have some lightweight jackets which have been good for autumn runs, but looking for something I can wear during the colder months and handle rain and wind.
I normally buy my running tights and under tops from decathlon but want to send a bit more on some decent jackets. Also looking for a camel back for my marathon training if anyone has good suggestions.
As Christmas is coming thought I can add these to the list as present ideas.
I normally buy my running tights and under tops from decathlon but want to send a bit more on some decent jackets. Also looking for a camel back for my marathon training if anyone has good suggestions.
As Christmas is coming thought I can add these to the list as present ideas.
Challo said:
Looking for some recommendations on good winter running jackets. I have some lightweight jackets which have been good for autumn runs, but looking for something I can wear during the colder months and handle rain and wind.
I normally buy my running tights and under tops from decathlon but want to send a bit more on some decent jackets. Also looking for a camel back for my marathon training if anyone has good suggestions.
As Christmas is coming thought I can add these to the list as present ideas.
Taped seams, 10k static head of water, lightweight and great value. I normally buy my running tights and under tops from decathlon but want to send a bit more on some decent jackets. Also looking for a camel back for my marathon training if anyone has good suggestions.
As Christmas is coming thought I can add these to the list as present ideas.
https://www.sweatshop.com/salomon-bonatti-wp-jacke...
Reduced in the sale, I used one last week for 3hrs in wet weather. Great bit of kit.
Challo said:
Looking for some recommendations on good winter running jackets. I have some lightweight jackets which have been good for autumn runs, but looking for something I can wear during the colder months and handle rain and wind.
I normally buy my running tights and under tops from decathlon but want to send a bit more on some decent jackets. Also looking for a camel back for my marathon training if anyone has good suggestions.
As Christmas is coming thought I can add these to the list as present ideas.
That Bonatti is probably cheaper than my recommendation - looks like a reasonable price.I normally buy my running tights and under tops from decathlon but want to send a bit more on some decent jackets. Also looking for a camel back for my marathon training if anyone has good suggestions.
As Christmas is coming thought I can add these to the list as present ideas.
I've got two waterproof jackets - a 75g Berghaus smock and a heavier weight (230g ish - I think) Montane Minimus. The Montane is a heavier fabric, more rustly and has a couple of more technical features like wired peak and velcro'd sleeves. I use the Berghaus 90% of the time and it goes without saying that both handle heavy rain just fine. The Berghaus has kept me comfortable through snow, high winds and heavy rain. But the Montane feels more heavy duty. I'll reach for it where it's close to freezing, high winds, heavy rain and I'm up somewhere exposed (mountains.) Any less than that and it's overkill - it'd still work, but there's no point.
I do think that the right base layer combination counts for a lot though.
I too have a Montane Minimus. I agree it's not flyweight (75g and waterproof is amazing!) but I have been nothing but impressed with it. Mine had an issue after three or so years use and it was replaced FOC under a lifetime guarantee, inside a week. I also have a £10 Aldi windproof which I washed with NikWax and have used to reasonable effect, though a proper rainstorm would drench me, so it's only for non-mountainous use.
As for bags, the best I've used is the Salomon S-Lab vest. Not a Camelbak as such, in that the water is on the front, but I could stack a 1L bladder in the back too, or as an alternative to the bottles.
ETA:
Kit aside, I'm creeping back into my marathon training program. I had success as a result of consistency by broadly following the Maffetone method last autumn and winter, so plan to do the same. Generally easy running gives me consistency over weeks and months, so while it's unglamorous, it builds the solid foundation on which I can add some speed and endurance. I won't be running anything over 25km until the new year, keeping things manageable and though I'd hoped to do a couple of weeks of sharper running in December to break the monotony, my ongoing back/hamstring issues mean I'm better off keeping it easy.
So churning out the miles, achingly slow on my recovery 30 mins today, but heartening to listen to Jonny Mellor on MarathonTalk also say he has faith in consistency. It's no good chasing speed, getting injured, falling behind on a plan, chasing speed all the harder, and getting injured again. My speed in March and April will be a by-product of the training I do now. I won't be able to do the hard sessions in Feb and March if I don't put down the solid foundation now.
As for bags, the best I've used is the Salomon S-Lab vest. Not a Camelbak as such, in that the water is on the front, but I could stack a 1L bladder in the back too, or as an alternative to the bottles.
ETA:
Kit aside, I'm creeping back into my marathon training program. I had success as a result of consistency by broadly following the Maffetone method last autumn and winter, so plan to do the same. Generally easy running gives me consistency over weeks and months, so while it's unglamorous, it builds the solid foundation on which I can add some speed and endurance. I won't be running anything over 25km until the new year, keeping things manageable and though I'd hoped to do a couple of weeks of sharper running in December to break the monotony, my ongoing back/hamstring issues mean I'm better off keeping it easy.
So churning out the miles, achingly slow on my recovery 30 mins today, but heartening to listen to Jonny Mellor on MarathonTalk also say he has faith in consistency. It's no good chasing speed, getting injured, falling behind on a plan, chasing speed all the harder, and getting injured again. My speed in March and April will be a by-product of the training I do now. I won't be able to do the hard sessions in Feb and March if I don't put down the solid foundation now.
Edited by Smitters on Monday 27th November 14:11
I forgot the bladder question.
I've got a Salomon vest too, and theoretically it'll take a bladder although I've never used it - I much prefer soft bottles to a bladder when running as I know how much I'm consuming then/how much I've got left. I've used one (not with the Salomon vest) a few times before but wouldn't go back.
I've seen lots of people using the Decathlon ones though, at the price they go for they're probably worth a punt to try out. I've got a growing amount of respect for Decathlon gear (in some things they're better than Salomon et al.)
I've got a Salomon vest too, and theoretically it'll take a bladder although I've never used it - I much prefer soft bottles to a bladder when running as I know how much I'm consuming then/how much I've got left. I've used one (not with the Salomon vest) a few times before but wouldn't go back.
I've seen lots of people using the Decathlon ones though, at the price they go for they're probably worth a punt to try out. I've got a growing amount of respect for Decathlon gear (in some things they're better than Salomon et al.)
tenohfive said:
I forgot the bladder question.
I've got a Salomon vest too, and theoretically it'll take a bladder although I've never used it - I much prefer soft bottles to a bladder when running as I know how much I'm consuming then/how much I've got left. I've used one (not with the Salomon vest) a few times before but wouldn't go back.
I've seen lots of people using the Decathlon ones though, at the price they go for they're probably worth a punt to try out. I've got a growing amount of respect for Decathlon gear (in some things they're better than Salomon et al.)
Cheers. Was chatting to my running coach he said to avoid the camelback type things, and look more about the belts that carry water bottles. Seen a few on wiggle which look good bit will also try out the decathlon ones. I've got a Salomon vest too, and theoretically it'll take a bladder although I've never used it - I much prefer soft bottles to a bladder when running as I know how much I'm consuming then/how much I've got left. I've used one (not with the Salomon vest) a few times before but wouldn't go back.
I've seen lots of people using the Decathlon ones though, at the price they go for they're probably worth a punt to try out. I've got a growing amount of respect for Decathlon gear (in some things they're better than Salomon et al.)
Fair enough. I've got a UD one that holds a 600ml hard bottle, smart phone, emergency layer (windproof) and whatever other bits of stuff you need (a couple of gels, keys) and it works pretty well for me:
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ultimate-direction-groove-...
Not in their Black Friday sale unfortunately, but despite it's size it was the more comfortable of the options I tried on.
For me, runs up to 90 minutes that tends to do the job (unless it's summer.) Beyond that I want a litre with me, and switch to the vest. For 3-ish hours or 2-ish in summer I find that the vest with an extra soft bottle chucked in the rear stretch pockets works for me, but it goes without saying that your coach is probably worth listening to.
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ultimate-direction-groove-...
Not in their Black Friday sale unfortunately, but despite it's size it was the more comfortable of the options I tried on.
For me, runs up to 90 minutes that tends to do the job (unless it's summer.) Beyond that I want a litre with me, and switch to the vest. For 3-ish hours or 2-ish in summer I find that the vest with an extra soft bottle chucked in the rear stretch pockets works for me, but it goes without saying that your coach is probably worth listening to.
MattS5 said:
Challo said:
Looking for some recommendations on good winter running jackets. I have some lightweight jackets which have been good for autumn runs, but looking for something I can wear during the colder months and handle rain and wind.
I normally buy my running tights and under tops from decathlon but want to send a bit more on some decent jackets. Also looking for a camel back for my marathon training if anyone has good suggestions.
As Christmas is coming thought I can add these to the list as present ideas.
Taped seams, 10k static head of water, lightweight and great value. I normally buy my running tights and under tops from decathlon but want to send a bit more on some decent jackets. Also looking for a camel back for my marathon training if anyone has good suggestions.
As Christmas is coming thought I can add these to the list as present ideas.
https://www.sweatshop.com/salomon-bonatti-wp-jacke...
Reduced in the sale, I used one last week for 3hrs in wet weather. Great bit of kit.
I'd have thought a waterproof wood just make me sweat even more unless it was sub-zero
boyse7en said:
Are waterproof jackets OK to run in? I went out yesterday along the Exmoor coast path (very steep) in a running top and Berghaus windproof and was sweating like map on the uphill sections. Temp was around 6 deg so not warm, and there was a stiff breeze and some light rain.
I'd have thought a waterproof wood just make me sweat even more unless it was sub-zero
A decent waterproof is much like a windproof. And there's no straight right or wrong answer - it depends on the ambient temp, humidity, base layer, how warm you run, your effort/intensity and windchill. It's all relative.I'd have thought a waterproof wood just make me sweat even more unless it was sub-zero
If it's wet but not windy I don't mind running in a base layer (or even wearing two.) But if windchill is a significant factor - which it often is on coasts/up mountains then I reach for a windproof or (if racing) waterproof. Even a silly thin layer of plastic can make a huge difference if that wind is biting as it often is on the coast or up high.
I run cold, so I use mine a fair bit and don't often feel the need to take it off. Regardless of actual rain. But YMMV.
ETA:
I did recently see that Salomon's top end, stupidly expensive (and not technically waterproof) jacket can roll down into a thin band around your waist like a wide elastic belt when you don't need it. I hope other manufacturers copy them, for those in-between conditions - or where things vary dependent upon the exposure - it seems like a brilliant idea.
Edited by tenohfive on Monday 27th November 17:41
Edited by tenohfive on Monday 27th November 17:42
Challo said:
Cheers. Was chatting to my running coach he said to avoid the camelback type things, and look more about the belts that carry water bottles. Seen a few on wiggle which look good bit will also try out the decathlon ones.
Ive got a camelback and a ultimate direction race vest with bottles. The ultimate direction fits better but with a camelback I constantly sip water with bottles I just don't drink much .
Smitters said:
As for bags, the best I've used is the Salomon S-Lab vest. Not a Camelbak as such, in that the water is on the front, but I could stack a 1L bladder in the back too, or as an alternative to the bottles.
tenohfive said:
I've got a Salomon vest too, and theoretically it'll take a bladder although I've never used it - I much prefer soft bottles to a bladder when running as I know how much I'm consuming then/how much I've got left. I've used one (not with the Salomon vest) a few times before but wouldn't go back.
Add me to the list of happy Salomon S-Lab vest owners. Was recommended it on here in 2016 and it's still going strong after 2 gruelling marathon training campaigns over the summer season. I went for the most lightweight one (the Sense?) where all I needed was the ability to carry liquid with a ventilated back.The other benefit of the hydration vests is they tend not to leave your back sweaty, due to air flow and resistance from running forwards. I had a Camelbak once upon a time and I just couldn't get on with it and all its flaws.
Whichever solution you end up with, shove the bottles/bladder in the freezer after you've washed it out and just bring it out when you're ready to use it next time. No faffing about with disinfectants like Milton or trying to air it out.
For coats I've (like tenohfive) got a summer/spring v lightweight berghaus and a winter/autumn heavier smock one (OMM) for serious weather. I buy for a very roomy fit so you can throw it over your pack, this along with adjustable hem means you ventilate well and don't get so wet from perspiration.
Agree on the generous sizing - I put my jacket over my S-Lab vest which helps keep the remaining kit dry and means I can take it on and off on the move, without having to faff with a bag.
I also would go for a full zip jacket to give the best ventilation. I've not had a jacket yet that is truly "breathable" and have always characterized the choice as getting warm and wet or cold and wet. I tend to run a lot in Icebreaker merino wool, so that's pretty warm, even when damp, which helps out when you stop as you don't chill off as much. Yes, they're pricey, but I've had two tees for six years now and they're going strong. Just don't pin a race number to them...
Also, a tip with the bladder systems is to put a full bladder in with the tube exit at the top (i.e. upside down). You'll still be able to drink about the first half before it becomes too hard to suck, at which point you flip it over. Bonus - you get a half-empty warning. I have often drunk a bladder dry by accident and suffered for 30 mins before the next water stop, which is why I like the soft-flasks on the front. They are a bd to get back into the pockets though. I'm yet to perfect the technique without using naughty words.
I also would go for a full zip jacket to give the best ventilation. I've not had a jacket yet that is truly "breathable" and have always characterized the choice as getting warm and wet or cold and wet. I tend to run a lot in Icebreaker merino wool, so that's pretty warm, even when damp, which helps out when you stop as you don't chill off as much. Yes, they're pricey, but I've had two tees for six years now and they're going strong. Just don't pin a race number to them...
Also, a tip with the bladder systems is to put a full bladder in with the tube exit at the top (i.e. upside down). You'll still be able to drink about the first half before it becomes too hard to suck, at which point you flip it over. Bonus - you get a half-empty warning. I have often drunk a bladder dry by accident and suffered for 30 mins before the next water stop, which is why I like the soft-flasks on the front. They are a b
d to get back into the pockets though. I'm yet to perfect the technique without using naughty words.I thought they were a con at first but the Speed Flasks have a reinforced base. It is much, much easier to get them back in than the older ones they replaced. Much wider neck for refilling and less turns to get the top back on. That might sound a bit like marginal gains but in practice it makes a world of difference.
I'm not with you on the full zip though. I've never missed having a full zip on my smock as running with my jacket too far unzipped the flapping gets annoying.
I'm not with you on the full zip though. I've never missed having a full zip on my smock as running with my jacket too far unzipped the flapping gets annoying.
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