The Running Thread Vol 2
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I've done both - ultra's of that distance would be about the limit for me on gels tbh, but I've done further using just Tailwind without any issues. As often as not I'd be having a small chia charge bar or similar at some point. Based on a 3:38 marathon you might find sub-5 isn't really "coasting" in the latter stages too, good luck! :-)
Edited by UpTheIron on Monday 19th February 11:51
mon the fish said:
Thanks. I've done a lot more training this winter, I'm probably 3:20ish marathon fit so I'm reasonably confident in getting round the ultra in 9 min miles. Just unsure on nutrition as it's probably as easy as an ultra gets, compared to a marathon
I find the cliff blocs and/or tailwind has been working very well for me instead of gels. Smaller and more regular calories.mon the fish said:
Ultras and nutrition - looking for some advice.
To give some background - I've done 8 marathons over the last 5 years, with a PB of 3:38 which I aim to get near 3:15 this year.
I'm doing my first ultra next month, 33 miles on an old railway line so no elevation to speak of. Plan is to coast round it and aim for sub-5 hours. For that distance, which isn't that much more than a marathon, should I be looking to eat something during the race - or can I follow my usual marathon plan of gels every 6 miles or so, with regular fluid intake?
Dear oh dear, didn't you know Ultras are picnics interspersed with some running...? To give some background - I've done 8 marathons over the last 5 years, with a PB of 3:38 which I aim to get near 3:15 this year.
I'm doing my first ultra next month, 33 miles on an old railway line so no elevation to speak of. Plan is to coast round it and aim for sub-5 hours. For that distance, which isn't that much more than a marathon, should I be looking to eat something during the race - or can I follow my usual marathon plan of gels every 6 miles or so, with regular fluid intake?
33 is a great distance to work out what works for you, if you do the wrong thing you'll still finish but will learn a little what works best; everyone's a little different.
Are there drop bag points? If so it'd be an idea to at least have something there if you fancy at the time, rather than not I guess. The GO33 has two points and everyone puts a G&T or a wee dram in the last bag...! If so, something sweet & something savoury and you can then choose whichever seems best at that stage.
Sticking with what you know and looking at your pace you'll be fine but the extra 7 miles is still 7 miles, Tailwind is good (my wife uses it) but unless you have a stop point you have to carry a lot of weight (well, 2kg) all the way through, unless you're going to carry that weight anyway of course, which depends on the course/aid stations and your normal 'MO'.
Enjoy!
mon the fish said:
Ultras and nutrition - looking for some advice.
To give some background - I've done 8 marathons over the last 5 years, with a PB of 3:38 which I aim to get near 3:15 this year.
I'm doing my first ultra next month, 33 miles on an old railway line so no elevation to speak of. Plan is to coast round it and aim for sub-5 hours. For that distance, which isn't that much more than a marathon, should I be looking to eat something during the race - or can I follow my usual marathon plan of gels every 6 miles or so, with regular fluid intake?
Ah D33!! Yes pretty straightforward out and back race!To give some background - I've done 8 marathons over the last 5 years, with a PB of 3:38 which I aim to get near 3:15 this year.
I'm doing my first ultra next month, 33 miles on an old railway line so no elevation to speak of. Plan is to coast round it and aim for sub-5 hours. For that distance, which isn't that much more than a marathon, should I be looking to eat something during the race - or can I follow my usual marathon plan of gels every 6 miles or so, with regular fluid intake?
For me, i took my Gels as normal & Mountain fuel in my flasks and added in some snacks at the turnabout drop bag point...although didn't eat too much, just a sandwich and cake as felt ok
Pretty easy course to go sub 5 even cruising if your around a 3.15 marathon!
I've used Tailwind for a couple of long races including the Cotswold 24hr. It's impressive stuff and the company is amazingly helpful if you need any advice.
My tummy is very sensitive but litres of that went down no problem. It's quite a strange feeling not getting hungry at all when you think you should.
I've been through all the flavours and found mixing a neutral one with a flavoured one to work well in larger bladders. Lemon is a personal preference.
My tummy is very sensitive but litres of that went down no problem. It's quite a strange feeling not getting hungry at all when you think you should.
I've been through all the flavours and found mixing a neutral one with a flavoured one to work well in larger bladders. Lemon is a personal preference.
I used Tailwind for the first time on Sunday. Part of my new fuelling plan for 2018 - if I'm carrying water, add calories to it for a minimal weight penalty. It worked well - no hunger over a two hour run/walk on the hills - no tummy issues either.
Obviously not to the point of over-eating, but I'm still a big fan of nutrition-prep - that's to say having a good plan of eating and drinking in the 24-48 hours up to an event. Making sure you're well hydrated on the start line and you take on a last bit of nutrition just before you set off saves weight and hassle later on. My problem is often being slightly over-hydrated, so I pee a lot in the first couple of hours. I need to resolve this if I'm going to be putting my nutrition in my drink as I can't not drink to save the peeing!
Obviously not to the point of over-eating, but I'm still a big fan of nutrition-prep - that's to say having a good plan of eating and drinking in the 24-48 hours up to an event. Making sure you're well hydrated on the start line and you take on a last bit of nutrition just before you set off saves weight and hassle later on. My problem is often being slightly over-hydrated, so I pee a lot in the first couple of hours. I need to resolve this if I'm going to be putting my nutrition in my drink as I can't not drink to save the peeing!
Off for a run. My clothing is normally too warm at 1 Centigrade without a hat, so with a hat on, should be ok at the current indicated -5 'feels like' temp 
Supposed to be a lot colder during the week so want to get at least one long run done as calorie intake will be going up due to warm Custard and cake consumption in bad weather 
Supposed to be a lot colder during the week so want to get at least one long run done as calorie intake will be going up due to warm Custard and cake consumption in bad weather Got running stuff with me today for a lunchtime run. Normally go on a weds lunchtime but want to squeeze it in early just in case!
Couldn't find my thin running gloves this morning though as out 10 month old ended up in our bed and was still asleep when I left for work so couldn't root around too much. Debating whether to use my thick normal gloves or just man up... then there's the question of shorts or the embarrassment of walking through work's reception in leggings.
Couldn't find my thin running gloves this morning though as out 10 month old ended up in our bed and was still asleep when I left for work so couldn't root around too much. Debating whether to use my thick normal gloves or just man up... then there's the question of shorts or the embarrassment of walking through work's reception in leggings.
lufbramatt said:
Got running stuff with me today for a lunchtime run. Normally go on a weds lunchtime but want to squeeze it in early just in case!
Couldn't find my thin running gloves this morning though as out 10 month old ended up in our bed and was still asleep when I left for work so couldn't root around too much. Debating whether to use my thick normal gloves or just man up... then there's the question of shorts or the embarrassment of walking through work's reception in leggings.
could always put your shorts on top of leggings and use work socks as gloves.Couldn't find my thin running gloves this morning though as out 10 month old ended up in our bed and was still asleep when I left for work so couldn't root around too much. Debating whether to use my thick normal gloves or just man up... then there's the question of shorts or the embarrassment of walking through work's reception in leggings.
Use the thick gloves to start, and then take off if you feel hands getting sweaty.
Been staring out of window debating, but now manned up and off out.
Been staring out of window debating, but now manned up and off out.
egor110 said:
Bugger that , i did a race up on dartmoor yesterday and wore hat , buff around neck , base layer then warm top plus tights and that was just about ok .
Brave! My park isn't that high up, nor that exposed or would be skipping it.hyphen said:
Use the thick gloves to start, and then take off if you feel hands getting sweaty.
Been staring out of window debating, but now manned up and off out.
Hardly ever skip a race , although it was fresh it was clear and the views up there were awesome .Been staring out of window debating, but now manned up and off out.
egor110 said:
Bugger that , i did a race up on dartmoor yesterday and wore hat , buff around neck , base layer then warm top plus tights and that was just about ok .
Brave! My park isn't that high up, nor that exposed or would be skipping it.It was -4C this morning and I wore 3 layers, 2 x buffs and a woolly hat with thick gloves. Was just about warm enough and only did 6 miles. regulating the breathing was the tough part.
Did a nice 15.6 miles yesterday with some guys from WSEH and what started as a gentle trot got a lot quicker in the final 4 miles and they were not even breathing hard...... then again, one has a 4:01 mile time
another a 2:29 marathon and the third a mere 2:43 marathon. Planning to do 8 x 1 mile on Tuesday with them.... at my pace
Did a nice 15.6 miles yesterday with some guys from WSEH and what started as a gentle trot got a lot quicker in the final 4 miles and they were not even breathing hard...... then again, one has a 4:01 mile time
another a 2:29 marathon and the third a mere 2:43 marathon. Planning to do 8 x 1 mile on Tuesday with them.... at my pace
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