The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
feef said:
Got my first 10k Trail Run on the 11th March. I've been incredibly lax in my running with having my son with me for the last 2 weeks and it being a bit chilly.
Hopefully get back into it this week, if I can persuade myself to ignore the cold that is!
Which trail race is it ?Hopefully get back into it this week, if I can persuade myself to ignore the cold that is!
egor110 said:
feef said:
Got my first 10k Trail Run on the 11th March. I've been incredibly lax in my running with having my son with me for the last 2 weeks and it being a bit chilly.
Hopefully get back into it this week, if I can persuade myself to ignore the cold that is!
Which trail race is it ?Hopefully get back into it this week, if I can persuade myself to ignore the cold that is!
https://hoohaah.co.uk/our-events/thetford-forest/
I'm doing their 3 x 10K challenge, so will be running the Wimpole and Childerly 10K events in addition to that to qualify.
I've also signed up for their Wimpole half marathon trail which is in October
Back from my run, around 8 miles. Wasn't cold at all, was lovely running in light snow. Best bit was that the weather had put off all the casual walkers/dog walkers who walk 3 abreast and take up all the path.
The jiffle king said:
It was -4C this morning and I wore 3 layers, 2 x buffs and a woolly hat with thick gloves. Was just about warm enough and only did 6 miles. regulating the breathing was the tough part.
Windproof top layers? As that makes a big difference. My jacket and pants are, I need to change my wollen & fleece hat and gloves as they are not. But will be spring soon so probably next year.The jiffle king said:
Did a nice 15.6 miles yesterday with some guys from WSEH and what started as a gentle trot got a lot quicker in the final 4 miles and they were not even breathing hard...... then again, one has a 4:01 mile time 
another a 2:29 marathon and the third a mere 2:43 marathon. Planning to do 8 x 1 mile on Tuesday with them.... at my pace
They are not guys, they are metal terminators underneath another a 2:29 marathon and the third a mere 2:43 marathon. Planning to do 8 x 1 mile on Tuesday with them.... at my pacehyphen said:
Windproof top layers? As that makes a big difference.
I have 2 of these, but our stuff has been in a container since we moved back from the US 6 months ago, but we get our stuff back on Friday so cannot wait for a windproof top
They are not guys, they are metal terminators underneath
Too right, it's great to be pushed from time to time and as the last 3 miles averaged 6:12 pace I was thinking that they were not really human. 2 of them plan to do their 8 x 1 mile at 5:15 pace so I will join my "slow friend" in doing them substantially slower
I have 2 of these, but our stuff has been in a container since we moved back from the US 6 months ago, but we get our stuff back on Friday so cannot wait for a windproof top
They are not guys, they are metal terminators underneath
Too right, it's great to be pushed from time to time and as the last 3 miles averaged 6:12 pace I was thinking that they were not really human. 2 of them plan to do their 8 x 1 mile at 5:15 pace
so I will join my "slow friend" in doing them substantially slowerhyphen said:
Back from my run, around 8 miles. Wasn't cold at all, was lovely running in light snow. Best bit was that the weather had put off all the casual walkers/dog walkers who walk 3 abreast and take up all the path.
The winner yesterday on Dartmoor did 13 miles 2900ft in 1.31 ! Nuts The jiffle king said:
It was -4C this morning and I wore 3 layers, 2 x buffs and a woolly hat with thick gloves. Was just about warm enough and only did 6 miles. regulating the breathing was the tough part.
Windproof top layers? As that makes a big difference. My jacket and pants are, I need to change my wollen & fleece hat and gloves as they are not. But will be spring soon so probably next year.The jiffle king said:
Did a nice 15.6 miles yesterday with some guys from WSEH and what started as a gentle trot got a lot quicker in the final 4 miles and they were not even breathing hard...... then again, one has a 4:01 mile time another a 2:29 marathon and the third a mere 2:43 marathon. Planning to do 8 x 1 mile on Tuesday with them.... at my pace
They are not guys, they are metal terminators underneath another a 2:29 marathon and the third a mere 2:43 marathon. Planning to do 8 x 1 mile on Tuesday with them.... at my paceukaskew said:
I've used Tailwind for a couple of long races including the Cotswold 24hr. It's impressive stuff and the company is amazingly helpful if you need any advice.
My tummy is very sensitive but litres of that went down no problem. It's quite a strange feeling not getting hungry at all when you think you should.
I've been through all the flavours and found mixing a neutral one with a flavoured one to work well in larger bladders. Lemon is a personal preference.
I have tried Tailwind and didn't get on with it for some reason. Now use Mountain Fuel and can't complain at all, prefect for me!!My tummy is very sensitive but litres of that went down no problem. It's quite a strange feeling not getting hungry at all when you think you should.
I've been through all the flavours and found mixing a neutral one with a flavoured one to work well in larger bladders. Lemon is a personal preference.
A solid 35 miles of back to back runs this weekend for me (75 mile week). London in 8 weeks and Glen Lyon Ultra in 10 weeks so starting to hit the big mileage but feeling great so fingers crossed no injuries etc!
Smitters said:
hyphen said:
Tailwind? This stuff -http://www.tailwindnutrition.co.uk/TW.html
at 93% sugar, best keep it for a race rather than for daily training!!
Catch-22 - don't race with something you've not trained with. Not massively different in sugar content to gels/jelly babies though?at 93% sugar, best keep it for a race rather than for daily training!!
You can test stuff in training (and should) but until you properly use it in anger you don't really know anyway. And even then I've had issues finding a balance - midway through a 15 hour run I got sick to the back teeth of Nakd bars, a previous staple from races. Handy in a way; I've learned the hard way what works for me.
Tailwind I've always found easy to get down and on races where I know I've got very regular opportunities for top up water (like all of Scotland, pretty much) and where calorie intake isn't restricted by water availability I think it can be useful. But it's still a faff if you're bringing it yourself - pouring powders isn't something I can really be bothered with at aid stations. But I'll usually take a bit as insurance - I can always get fluids down.
My personal approach is to have a few different bits, but always have High5 gels in sufficient quantities to get me through. They taste alright, they don't give me issues and they toe the line between Gu and SiS in terms of weight. But most importantly - I can neck them in one, which means the chore of refuelling when my body doesn't want to is over quickly.
If anyone is ever interested in options for ultra fuelling though - sign up for the V3K. The vegans put on the best feed stations I've ever experienced. I'm actually salivating thinking about their coconut balls. Amazing food before, during and after the race. Oh, and trying to stay upright on the greasy rock of a damp Crib Goch adds to the experience too.
tenohfive said:
Smitters said:
hyphen said:
Tailwind? This stuff -http://www.tailwindnutrition.co.uk/TW.html
at 93% sugar, best keep it for a race rather than for daily training!!
Catch-22 - don't race with something you've not trained with. Not massively different in sugar content to gels/jelly babies though?at 93% sugar, best keep it for a race rather than for daily training!!
You can test stuff in training (and should) but until you properly use it in anger you don't really know anyway. And even then I've had issues finding a balance - midway through a 15 hour run I got sick to the back teeth of Nakd bars, a previous staple from races. Handy in a way; I've learned the hard way what works for me.
Tailwind I've always found easy to get down and on races where I know I've got very regular opportunities for top up water (like all of Scotland, pretty much) and where calorie intake isn't restricted by water availability I think it can be useful. But it's still a faff if you're bringing it yourself - pouring powders isn't something I can really be bothered with at aid stations. But I'll usually take a bit as insurance - I can always get fluids down.
My personal approach is to have a few different bits, but always have High5 gels in sufficient quantities to get me through. They taste alright, they don't give me issues and they toe the line between Gu and SiS in terms of weight. But most importantly - I can neck them in one, which means the chore of refuelling when my body doesn't want to is over quickly.
If anyone is ever interested in options for ultra fuelling though - sign up for the V3K. The vegans put on the best feed stations I've ever experienced. I'm actually salivating thinking about their coconut balls. Amazing food before, during and after the race. Oh, and trying to stay upright on the greasy rock of a damp Crib Goch adds to the experience too.
egor110 said:
nobody takes mini pasties , pork pies , oreos and flat cherry coke then ?
Plenty do. I just can't manage anything that doesn't have plenty of moisture in. See my comment re Nakd bars - they're about the limit of dryness, and even then I've slowly gone off them. I've done real food, nuts, sweets, gels etc. I ran my last race (6 hours) entirely on gels and had one of my best race performances to date. N of 1 though, I'm certainly not knocking your approach.Challo said:
What are the High5 gels like? Tried the SIS gels before and while ok found they used to make me gag a little bit. Moved onto Cliff Energy Blocks which are great, but between £2.00 - 2.50 per packet they are a bit pricey for training runs. Might just get some jelly babies and use those instead.
I like them. SiS give me GI issues. Gu taste really good but are quite thick. High5 and Powergels both seem to balance moisture and pack size - you can just neck them. They're also quite cheap.I also quite like the Powegel Shots - they remind me of pick'n'mix sweets, and when my teeth hurt from hours of sugar they aren't too chewy. Not dissimilar to Clif Blocks but not as expensive.
But I don't get why anyone would use them for training (other than to test them out, and check they agree with you) - the reason they're expensive is that they compress a lot of calories into a small, light, packable (generally) easily digestible package. If you really need to eat during training (and I suspect some could surprise themselves anyway on that front) why not just go with the cheapest calories - bananas are pennies for a start, but there are plenty of other options. You don't need all the other things that make gels/blocks/powders so expensive unless you're racing.
Has anyone run in Hong Kong? Got 5 days alone there in late November and have read a bit about the superb trails. I figured as I can comfortably run 10-15 mile hilly trails loaded with camera and kit it might be a nice/cheap way of seeing quite a bit in a short space of time. Maybe an easy going 10 mile run on day 2 and 5 to see the out of town stuff.
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