The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
The jiffle king said:
Marlow 5 for me today, a 52 second PB, 16th place.... and we won the team prize 
3rd vet overall and need to get some more speed in the legs before the 5k season
My first 5 mile race and overall quite happy with just under 37 mins. Had meant to jog round but I got carried away chasing one of my mates - good event though and great spectator support3rd vet overall and need to get some more speed in the legs before the 5k season
smn159 said:
My first 5 mile race and overall quite happy with just under 37 mins. Had meant to jog round but I got carried away chasing one of my mates - good event though and great spectator support
I thought it was a good event and nicely organised. Well done and hope you get some other local races in the calendar soon.It's a narrow start which works ok as it stops people going too quicky at the start.
mon the fish said:
Has anyone found any benefit in paid-for coaching or training to go faster, or has following books or training plans, coupled with your own will, been enough?
I've recently bought the Brad Hudson 'Run Faster' book (still to read it) with a view to improving pace in 5k & 10k in 2019. I'm running bigger distances this year, next year I want to focus more on speed
Having a decent coach made a huge difference to my running, although it was via a running club and on the track rather than road running. Having a second pair of eyes on my strengths and weaknesses, and someone to map out your seasons and events, as well as be able to look at form etc. was very useful. I've recently bought the Brad Hudson 'Run Faster' book (still to read it) with a view to improving pace in 5k & 10k in 2019. I'm running bigger distances this year, next year I want to focus more on speed
However, for speed work especially, what made an even bigger difference was running in a group of guys with similar abilities rather than alone. Mentally much easier to work together to hit pace targets and a bit of friendly competition goes a long way.
smn159 said:
My first 5 mile race and overall quite happy with just under 37 mins. Had meant to jog round but I got carried away chasing one of my mates - good event though and great spectator support
Did Leeds HM on Sunday - without enough long runs due to a niggling back injury and still a 17.5 stone prop forwardPB by ten minutes in 2.38.02
Bit gutted as I wanted sub 2.30, but a long way from my first 10k 4 years ago when I was a 22.5 stone lump
Now to shift the next 1.5 stone and look at my first marathon at the back end of the year
The jiffle king said:
smn159 said:
My first 5 mile race and overall quite happy with just under 37 mins. Had meant to jog round but I got carried away chasing one of my mates - good event though and great spectator support
I thought it was a good event and nicely organised. Well done and hope you get some other local races in the calendar soon.It's a narrow start which works ok as it stops people going too quicky at the start.
Then it's the London Vitality 10k the following Monday, which should be good.
WolfieBot said:
There is a pfitzinger 5k to half marathon book which I highly recommend. I broke sub 20 for 5k following his plan.
I've got that book - recommended here too. Because I'm an old git, sub 20 will be a 76% age grading for me, so a challenge to get there from my current 70% - but no harm in trying!
Wimpole 10K trail is coming up this Sunday. Forecast suggests it'll be warm and dry, which will be a nice change.
I'm tempted at doing the White Rose 30 Ultra in November ( http://www.whiteroseultra.co.uk/the-30.html ). I've got a Half Marathon trail in October and I know I can do a half in 2 hrs(ish) and I'm keen to see if I can go further. The White Rose has the added benefit of being on a Sunday (a day I can be reasonably confident I can keep free) and the day before my Birthday so can call it a present to myself.
Anyone done the White Rose?
I'm tempted at doing the White Rose 30 Ultra in November ( http://www.whiteroseultra.co.uk/the-30.html ). I've got a Half Marathon trail in October and I know I can do a half in 2 hrs(ish) and I'm keen to see if I can go further. The White Rose has the added benefit of being on a Sunday (a day I can be reasonably confident I can keep free) and the day before my Birthday so can call it a present to myself.
Anyone done the White Rose?
Anyone on here some Advice on how to pace a 15k having never done over a 10k?
I had been as back far as october been upping my distances from a 5k to a 10k but ultimately didn't want to progress until i had done it in under 50mins ( eventually got a 49.33 in, First 10k was 54mins, second was 53.30 then somehow i managed that on my third attempt!) Since then i run at around the same pace.
Should i be trying to be pacing it at around a 5.20/km and expect to get on with it alright?
Or alternatively just tell me to get on with it and see how it gets on, don't really want to burn out and end up a sloth in the final few k.
I had been as back far as october been upping my distances from a 5k to a 10k but ultimately didn't want to progress until i had done it in under 50mins ( eventually got a 49.33 in, First 10k was 54mins, second was 53.30 then somehow i managed that on my third attempt!) Since then i run at around the same pace.
Should i be trying to be pacing it at around a 5.20/km and expect to get on with it alright?
Or alternatively just tell me to get on with it and see how it gets on, don't really want to burn out and end up a sloth in the final few k.
Go out, don't over cook it in the first 3-4k to give yourself time to warm up then up the pace from there and see how it feels.
I'm not sure if this helps, but there's an old Chris Boardman quote from his TT days that I've always liked. Along the lines of going out at a pace and trying to judge if it's the right one:
Ask yourself - can I maintain this pace to the end?
If 'yes' - you're going too slow.
If 'no' - you're going too fast.
The answer you're aiming for is 'maybe.'
I'm not sure if this helps, but there's an old Chris Boardman quote from his TT days that I've always liked. Along the lines of going out at a pace and trying to judge if it's the right one:
Ask yourself - can I maintain this pace to the end?
If 'yes' - you're going too slow.
If 'no' - you're going too fast.
The answer you're aiming for is 'maybe.'
tenohfive said:
I'm not sure if this helps, but there's an old Chris Boardman quote from his TT days that I've always liked. Along the lines of going out at a pace and trying to judge if it's the right one:
Ask yourself - can I maintain this pace to the end?
If 'yes' - you're going too slow.
If 'no' - you're going too fast.
The answer you're aiming for is 'maybe.'
That's a fantastic quote! Will try and remember that one for the next big race.Ask yourself - can I maintain this pace to the end?
If 'yes' - you're going too slow.
If 'no' - you're going too fast.
The answer you're aiming for is 'maybe.'
After dithering for ages, ended up with my first trail shoes- Nike Terra Kiger Was sick of ordering and then sending back pairs due to fit, style and so on, so very glad to have a keeper.
I was hoping to use a smaller company like the British based Inov8 and ordered from them, but wasn't sure on the fit, and found their customer service to be terrible and inflexible. The Nikes actually felt a bit tight when trying at home, but as Nike have a superb 30 day 'try out and return for any reason' policy, that encouraged me to do a 6mile trail run using them yesterday. It has been dry so can't say about wet performance yet, but really liking these, good grip, very breathable, comfortable too.
Inspire a lot of confidence and been full on sprinting in gravel with no concerns
Hopefully they will have good durability.
Also buying new road running shoes, Pegasus 35 are apparently out very soon so think I will wait for them.
Was sick of ordering and then sending back pairs due to fit, style and so on, so very glad to have a keeper. I was hoping to use a smaller company like the British based Inov8 and ordered from them, but wasn't sure on the fit, and found their customer service to be terrible and inflexible. The Nikes actually felt a bit tight when trying at home, but as Nike have a superb 30 day 'try out and return for any reason' policy, that encouraged me to do a 6mile trail run using them yesterday. It has been dry so can't say about wet performance yet, but really liking these, good grip, very breathable, comfortable too.
Inspire a lot of confidence and been full on sprinting in gravel with no concerns
Hopefully they will have good durability.Also buying new road running shoes, Pegasus 35 are apparently out very soon so think I will wait for them.
Edited by hyphen on Wednesday 16th May 12:25
Glad you found a pair.
When I was looking for a pair of mud-pluggers last year, my local specialist spent a good hour with me and we tried on numerous pairs slowly discarding shoes until we ended up with two 'finalists' that had by far the best fit and comfort. Was very tempted to buy both as they did have different uses - one was a light race shoe, the other a good 1,000km trainer - but settled for just one.
I couldn't buy online now, unless it was buying a duplicate set. The variance is huge between different brands, and even shoes of the same make, that I can't be arsed going through the process of sending stuff back if I don't like them.
When I was looking for a pair of mud-pluggers last year, my local specialist spent a good hour with me and we tried on numerous pairs slowly discarding shoes until we ended up with two 'finalists' that had by far the best fit and comfort. Was very tempted to buy both as they did have different uses - one was a light race shoe, the other a good 1,000km trainer - but settled for just one.
I couldn't buy online now, unless it was buying a duplicate set. The variance is huge between different brands, and even shoes of the same make, that I can't be arsed going through the process of sending stuff back if I don't like them.
Mothersruin said:
I couldn't buy online now, unless it was buying a duplicate set. The variance is huge between different brands, and even shoes of the same make, that I can't be arsed going through the process of sending stuff back if I don't like them.
This is me exactly, with any major online retailer and especially with Hokas and their changes in sizing from shoe to shoe in a yer and year to year on the same shoe. I've never had a pair fit properly, event when carefully following their sizing guide.Thankfully, we have an Asics Clearance shop locally and I found the new version of my old Fuji Attack 4s (the 5's funnily enough), my size and £60, which I thought was pretty reasonable. As long as the shop's there, I'll be getting all my Asics a year out of date and half price for the foreseeable future.
However online gives you access to the full ranges, local shops only stock limited numbers. Pro's and cons.
I would seek advice and buy from a from a local shop if I had a gait/health requirement or if was running an extreme race. But for me, normal everyday runs don't need that service. Also if your finances/credit card limit allows, you can buy order multiple shoes at same time and in your normal and a size up. (on subject of sizes, I was lucky with the Kigers, as Nike UK website themselves don't do half sizes in their trail shows but Nike websites in other countries do, very strange. So look to 3rd party websites/retailers if you need a half size).
Happy to buy from store if someone builds a massive one and puts everything on display!
I would seek advice and buy from a from a local shop if I had a gait/health requirement or if was running an extreme race. But for me, normal everyday runs don't need that service. Also if your finances/credit card limit allows, you can buy order multiple shoes at same time and in your normal and a size up. (on subject of sizes, I was lucky with the Kigers, as Nike UK website themselves don't do half sizes in their trail shows but Nike websites in other countries do, very strange. So look to 3rd party websites/retailers if you need a half size).
Happy to buy from store if someone builds a massive one and puts everything on display!
MattS5 said:
I think I've got a touch of plantar fasciitis in my left foot following possibly too much speed work in the last couple of weeks.
Anybody got any tips to share help smooth it out?
Calf stretching, heel drops etc? Anything else?
I find rolling the offending area over a golf ball works wonders.Anybody got any tips to share help smooth it out?
Calf stretching, heel drops etc? Anything else?
hyphen said:
However online gives you access to the full ranges, local shops only stock limited numbers. Pro's and cons.
I would seek advice and buy from a from a local shop if I had a gait/health requirement or if was running an extreme race. But for me, normal everyday runs don't need that service. Also if your finances/credit card limit allows, you can buy order multiple shoes at same time and in your normal and a size up. (on subject of sizes, I was lucky with the Kigers, as Nike UK website themselves don't do half sizes in their trail shows but Nike websites in other countries do, very strange. So look to 3rd party websites/retailers if you need a half size).
Happy to buy from store if someone builds a massive one and puts everything on display!
Agree. I'm lucky in that I'm only looking for Asics, so instead of having three from each brand, they do have the whole range in a range of sizes and colours, pretty much. Obviously a bit of luck on the sizing, but that's always the case when looking for last seasons shoes (I almost never buy new-new shoes for three figures).I would seek advice and buy from a from a local shop if I had a gait/health requirement or if was running an extreme race. But for me, normal everyday runs don't need that service. Also if your finances/credit card limit allows, you can buy order multiple shoes at same time and in your normal and a size up. (on subject of sizes, I was lucky with the Kigers, as Nike UK website themselves don't do half sizes in their trail shows but Nike websites in other countries do, very strange. So look to 3rd party websites/retailers if you need a half size).
Happy to buy from store if someone builds a massive one and puts everything on display!
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