The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
fiatpower said:
Ran Equinox24 this weekend, managed 110km in 16 hours. Feet were in pieces after 8 laps because of blisters, could barely walk by the end. Learnt quite a lot for the attempt next year!
[url]Ended up with this nice blister, best to leave it or drain it?
|https://thumbsnap.com/pCHbTOFo[/url]
Blister - drain it and wash it well, then leave it to dry out in open air as much as possible. I had one like that on the Cotswold 24. It popped as I broke into a run for the finish line on my last lap, holding my sons hand, so my finish photo looks like I'm in real pain (I am) but ironically not from the distance/time, just that little b
d popping.
XC - yes, I'm in. Racing the Gloucsershire League and a few Gwent League races too with luck.
As for running, well, I've been quiet on here partly due to the baby, and partly due to another chest infection meaning no running (third this year. Grrr). So, having posed a while back my mid-year stats, I'm now in a pickle. I have XC, a fast half (or as I'll now be calling it, a supported training run) and an ultra in the next nine weeks. And I haven't run a step in a month.
I think it's fair to say I'm having a three day taper and not setting any records at the ultra. Longest run in the last three months has been, er, 14 miles. Uh, and indeed, oh.
ETA. It's actually 8 weeks. And also, I just ran 6 miles and it was awfully hard. Even more uh oh now.
d popping.XC - yes, I'm in. Racing the Gloucsershire League and a few Gwent League races too with luck.
As for running, well, I've been quiet on here partly due to the baby, and partly due to another chest infection meaning no running (third this year. Grrr). So, having posed a while back my mid-year stats, I'm now in a pickle. I have XC, a fast half (or as I'll now be calling it, a supported training run) and an ultra in the next nine weeks. And I haven't run a step in a month.
I think it's fair to say I'm having a three day taper and not setting any records at the ultra. Longest run in the last three months has been, er, 14 miles. Uh, and indeed, oh.
ETA. It's actually 8 weeks. And also, I just ran 6 miles and it was awfully hard. Even more uh oh now.
Edited by Smitters on Monday 24th September 13:51
https://twitter.com/sophieraworth/status/104378948...
Just reading on Twitter about an 85 year old man who took part in the Tooting24 over the weekend. He managed 77 miles which is incredible! Hope i'm that fit and mobile at that age!
Just reading on Twitter about an 85 year old man who took part in the Tooting24 over the weekend. He managed 77 miles which is incredible! Hope i'm that fit and mobile at that age!
fiatpower said:
https://twitter.com/sophieraworth/status/104378948...
Just reading on Twitter about an 85 year old man who took part in the Tooting24 over the weekend. He managed 77 miles which is incredible! Hope i'm that fit and mobile at that age!
It's awesome isn't it. I often post about faster, farther etc., but after an enlightening conversation a few years ago with a 65 year old guy who was kindly going slowly so I could keep up on a hilly 21 mile charity loop, I decided that everything else be buggered, I'd be happy running for 30 mins, three times a week for the rest of my life. He'd retired and ran almost every day, slowly, easily and as far as he fancied. I was, to be fair, envious.Just reading on Twitter about an 85 year old man who took part in the Tooting24 over the weekend. He managed 77 miles which is incredible! Hope i'm that fit and mobile at that age!
Jackets
I've got a Sugoi Zap jacket which is windproof and while marketed as 'water resistant', it won't keep you dry in anything more than a light shower.
Do you bother with a proper waterproof jacket or is it a case of fully waterproof is never going to be adequately breathable?
Got any recommendations?
I've got a Sugoi Zap jacket which is windproof and while marketed as 'water resistant', it won't keep you dry in anything more than a light shower.
Do you bother with a proper waterproof jacket or is it a case of fully waterproof is never going to be adequately breathable?
Got any recommendations?
My fully waterproof jacket is a Montane Minimus. Not cheap, but I only use it for running so it's not getting worn out and it works well. No hand pockets though, it's worth noting. I also had an issue with it and Montane sorted it under guarantee with no quibbles. British company, good communication. Well recommended in my view. Yes it's breathable and yes you get soaking wet with sweat. TADTS.
For a windproof one, I use an Aldi cheapo, but I wash it with Nikwax proofer. Like yours, not waterproof, but better than nothing and I find that as long as I keep moving to keep warm, it's OK. Would be an issue if I had to stop in the hills for my, or someone elses injury though, hence the Montane.
Second run today after my break. Lower ave HR for about the same pace, so I shall enjoy these quick gains for a few weeks before the inevitable plateau. Planning on a very easy 30km on Sunday morning. We'll see how that goes!
For a windproof one, I use an Aldi cheapo, but I wash it with Nikwax proofer. Like yours, not waterproof, but better than nothing and I find that as long as I keep moving to keep warm, it's OK. Would be an issue if I had to stop in the hills for my, or someone elses injury though, hence the Montane.
Second run today after my break. Lower ave HR for about the same pace, so I shall enjoy these quick gains for a few weeks before the inevitable plateau. Planning on a very easy 30km on Sunday morning. We'll see how that goes!
Three jackets for me:
Montane Minimus - truly gopping weather where I'm running easy. It's a true mountain shell and it shrugs off wind and rain for the most part.
Berghaus Vapourlight Hyper smock - ridiculously light (75g) and will stand up to wind and rain in the mountains. Boil in the bag but it'll keep wind and rain off and packs down to the size of an apple. I often take it 'just in case,' on long/isolated runs. I probably wear this the most.
Inov8 windshell - no hood, water resistant but copes fine with drizzle. Thumb loops (which I like.)
There reaches a point where either through time on the go, weather conditions or intensity you are going to end up soaked. But the cooling effect is most noticeable when wind meets wet inner clothing. If there's no wind, I tend not to bother with any jacket - especially if effort levels are going to keep me warm regardless. If it's windy though and through time or intensity my base layer is going to wet out, I'll wear a wind or waterproof as it stops the wind-on-wet-baselayer cooling that inevitably kicks in. Usually during the warm down. Given my waterproof weighs less than my windproof and takes less space if I pack it away, it's my go-to.
Montane Minimus - truly gopping weather where I'm running easy. It's a true mountain shell and it shrugs off wind and rain for the most part.
Berghaus Vapourlight Hyper smock - ridiculously light (75g) and will stand up to wind and rain in the mountains. Boil in the bag but it'll keep wind and rain off and packs down to the size of an apple. I often take it 'just in case,' on long/isolated runs. I probably wear this the most.
Inov8 windshell - no hood, water resistant but copes fine with drizzle. Thumb loops (which I like.)
There reaches a point where either through time on the go, weather conditions or intensity you are going to end up soaked. But the cooling effect is most noticeable when wind meets wet inner clothing. If there's no wind, I tend not to bother with any jacket - especially if effort levels are going to keep me warm regardless. If it's windy though and through time or intensity my base layer is going to wet out, I'll wear a wind or waterproof as it stops the wind-on-wet-baselayer cooling that inevitably kicks in. Usually during the warm down. Given my waterproof weighs less than my windproof and takes less space if I pack it away, it's my go-to.
OMM smock for foul weather/winter - relatively thick fabric, hard-wearing; I over-sized as I usually wear a small pack and wear it over that - helps a lot with condensation.
Berghaus Hyper 100 for rainy spring/autumn & shorter runs.
RAB windproof for summer [it is Scotland...!] - fine in windy drizzle/clag.
The Hyper 100 would probably cover all the bases if I had to choose just one. It seems excessive to have 3 but I've had about 6-7 years wear out of the OMM & RAB so far and both are still good. The Hyper is a bit more delicate and younger so let's see...
My wife swears by the OMM Kamlieka [sp?] which is quite a popular trail jacket.
Depends on distances/time/remoteness and generated heat to a certain degree I guess, I can't seem to get on with merino which is supposed to be a really good base layer - skin's waterproof so it's mainly about keeping a damp top warm essentially - as mentioned above. [ETA thumb loops are great!]
Berghaus Hyper 100 for rainy spring/autumn & shorter runs.
RAB windproof for summer [it is Scotland...!] - fine in windy drizzle/clag.
The Hyper 100 would probably cover all the bases if I had to choose just one. It seems excessive to have 3 but I've had about 6-7 years wear out of the OMM & RAB so far and both are still good. The Hyper is a bit more delicate and younger so let's see...
My wife swears by the OMM Kamlieka [sp?] which is quite a popular trail jacket.
Depends on distances/time/remoteness and generated heat to a certain degree I guess, I can't seem to get on with merino which is supposed to be a really good base layer - skin's waterproof so it's mainly about keeping a damp top warm essentially - as mentioned above. [ETA thumb loops are great!]
Edited by andy_s on Wednesday 26th September 17:23
feef said:
Jackets
I've got a Sugoi Zap jacket which is windproof and while marketed as 'water resistant', it won't keep you dry in anything more than a light shower.
Do you bother with a proper waterproof jacket or is it a case of fully waterproof is never going to be adequately breathable?
Got any recommendations?
Cheapo mountain warehouse thing that is fully reflective for me! I spend a lot of the winter running off road or on country roads with a headtorch so visibility tends to be higher up the list of concerns rather then comfort. (As an aside why is so muc winter running stuff including coats black or a dark colour with minimal reflective area! A 5m reflective Nike swoosh isn't going to be much use!) I also have a karrimor lightweight one for the weekend that does ok for not a lot of money.I've got a Sugoi Zap jacket which is windproof and while marketed as 'water resistant', it won't keep you dry in anything more than a light shower.
Do you bother with a proper waterproof jacket or is it a case of fully waterproof is never going to be adequately breathable?
Got any recommendations?
Smitters-Good luck with the Gwent leagues! I used to go to uni in Bath so did quite a few of them.
Smitters said:
fiatpower said:
https://twitter.com/sophieraworth/status/104378948...
Just reading on Twitter about an 85 year old man who took part in the Tooting24 over the weekend. He managed 77 miles which is incredible! Hope i'm that fit and mobile at that age!
It's awesome isn't it. I often post about faster, farther etc., but after an enlightening conversation a few years ago with a 65 year old guy who was kindly going slowly so I could keep up on a hilly 21 mile charity loop, I decided that everything else be buggered, I'd be happy running for 30 mins, three times a week for the rest of my life. He'd retired and ran almost every day, slowly, easily and as far as he fancied. I was, to be fair, envious.Just reading on Twitter about an 85 year old man who took part in the Tooting24 over the weekend. He managed 77 miles which is incredible! Hope i'm that fit and mobile at that age!
I can’t wait to be 60 to get under 20!
feef said:
Jackets
I've got a Sugoi Zap jacket which is windproof and while marketed as 'water resistant', it won't keep you dry in anything more than a light shower.
Do you bother with a proper waterproof jacket or is it a case of fully waterproof is never going to be adequately breathable?
Got any recommendations?
A running baseball cap makes a lot of difference for me when its raining, can't get on with the hood on the jackets. I've got a Sugoi Zap jacket which is windproof and while marketed as 'water resistant', it won't keep you dry in anything more than a light shower.
Do you bother with a proper waterproof jacket or is it a case of fully waterproof is never going to be adequately breathable?
Got any recommendations?
I have the sealskinz one, won't win any fashion awards but does the trick.
cookie118 said:
Cheapo mountain warehouse thing that is fully reflective for me! I spend a lot of the winter running off road or on country roads with a headtorch so visibility tends to be higher up the list of concerns rather then comfort. (As an aside why is so muc winter running stuff including coats black or a dark colour with minimal reflective area! A 5m reflective Nike swoosh isn't going to be much use!) I also have a karrimor lightweight one for the weekend that does ok for not a lot of money.
Smitters-Good luck with the Gwent leagues! I used to go to uni in Bath so did quite a few of them.
Which head torch do you use? Smitters-Good luck with the Gwent leagues! I used to go to uni in Bath so did quite a few of them.
Has anyone done the spine race? If so what did you do to he accepted on to it? You have to prove to them that your are capable.
Obviously the first step is to get a good few mountain marathons and ultras under my belt. I guess the gnarlier the better for those.
Next year I have a weekend planned which includes a days training on mountain survival and navigational skills. The day after you are dumped in the Brecon Beacons and have to march to a number of unknown points. Carrying 60+ lbs. This is run by former special forces people. They also do a night navigation course too.
Any other courses or events that are really beneficial for getting on this race. I'm thinking this is a 1-2 year plan.
Obviously the first step is to get a good few mountain marathons and ultras under my belt. I guess the gnarlier the better for those.
Next year I have a weekend planned which includes a days training on mountain survival and navigational skills. The day after you are dumped in the Brecon Beacons and have to march to a number of unknown points. Carrying 60+ lbs. This is run by former special forces people. They also do a night navigation course too.
Any other courses or events that are really beneficial for getting on this race. I'm thinking this is a 1-2 year plan.
hyphen said:
cookie118 said:
Cheapo mountain warehouse thing that is fully reflective for me! I spend a lot of the winter running off road or on country roads with a headtorch so visibility tends to be higher up the list of concerns rather then comfort. (As an aside why is so muc winter running stuff including coats black or a dark colour with minimal reflective area! A 5m reflective Nike swoosh isn't going to be much use!) I also have a karrimor lightweight one for the weekend that does ok for not a lot of money.
Smitters-Good luck with the Gwent leagues! I used to go to uni in Bath so did quite a few of them.
Which head torch do you use? Smitters-Good luck with the Gwent leagues! I used to go to uni in Bath so did quite a few of them.
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