The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
Smitters said:
Is it in the UK, or Tennessee?
I have no tips as such, but in watching a short film on the Big Backyard, it occurred to me that eating on the run would be helpful as that would allow more time to catnap/do admin. I.e. do what you can when you can. You can't tape a blister while running, but you can eat a pasty.
If it's only a 24 hour event (I say only!) I would be tempted to try an ignore the imposed time limits to an extent and run it as a 24 hour 100 mile race. If it's as long as you make it, more fool you! And chapeau.
Small charity UK event,I have no tips as such, but in watching a short film on the Big Backyard, it occurred to me that eating on the run would be helpful as that would allow more time to catnap/do admin. I.e. do what you can when you can. You can't tape a blister while running, but you can eat a pasty.
If it's only a 24 hour event (I say only!) I would be tempted to try an ignore the imposed time limits to an extent and run it as a 24 hour 100 mile race. If it's as long as you make it, more fool you! And chapeau.
I think the rules are .. everyone starts on the hour every hour … so 4.2 every 55 min's is my plan, As there will be a hot water station … I guess pot noddles will be the order of the day
and i'm honoured to receive a chapeau from yourself
Went for my first long run in a while not on my own. I had forgotten how much having someone else there tends to push the pace along!
The person I was running with I have beaten in a couple of cross country's this year but he's obviously feeling much better than me over the longer runs. Slightly less elevation than normal (I normally do 1,600 ft of elevation gain in 12 miles at 8:20/mile) but we still did 1,314 ft of elevation over 13.5 miles at an average of 7:32 per mile. The most savage uphill mile was 9:52 (444 ft in that mile alone!) so we were really hauling on the flat and downhills to get the final pace down that low.
Its really funny to look at Strava and the GAP doesn't change, but I know that the relative effort for that run was so much higher than it would be for a flat run at that average pace.
The person I was running with I have beaten in a couple of cross country's this year but he's obviously feeling much better than me over the longer runs. Slightly less elevation than normal (I normally do 1,600 ft of elevation gain in 12 miles at 8:20/mile) but we still did 1,314 ft of elevation over 13.5 miles at an average of 7:32 per mile. The most savage uphill mile was 9:52 (444 ft in that mile alone!) so we were really hauling on the flat and downhills to get the final pace down that low.
Its really funny to look at Strava and the GAP doesn't change, but I know that the relative effort for that run was so much higher than it would be for a flat run at that average pace.
cookie118 said:
Went for my first long run in a while not on my own. I had forgotten how much having someone else there tends to push the pace along!
The person I was running with I have beaten in a couple of cross country's this year but he's obviously feeling much better than me over the longer runs. Slightly less elevation than normal (I normally do 1,600 ft of elevation gain in 12 miles at 8:20/mile) but we still did 1,314 ft of elevation over 13.5 miles at an average of 7:32 per mile. The most savage uphill mile was 9:52 (444 ft in that mile alone!) so we were really hauling on the flat and downhills to get the final pace down that low.
Its really funny to look at Strava and the GAP doesn't change, but I know that the relative effort for that run was so much higher than it would be for a flat run at that average pace.
Impressive. The person I was running with I have beaten in a couple of cross country's this year but he's obviously feeling much better than me over the longer runs. Slightly less elevation than normal (I normally do 1,600 ft of elevation gain in 12 miles at 8:20/mile) but we still did 1,314 ft of elevation over 13.5 miles at an average of 7:32 per mile. The most savage uphill mile was 9:52 (444 ft in that mile alone!) so we were really hauling on the flat and downhills to get the final pace down that low.
Its really funny to look at Strava and the GAP doesn't change, but I know that the relative effort for that run was so much higher than it would be for a flat run at that average pace.
I am on my second week 'back at it' after 3 weeks sick with next to no running. They say you don't lose much fitness but I feel like I am still a good way from my best. I did a track workout Tues with 800m repeats with 90sec rest and 400m repeats with 1min rest. 1km repeats on Thurs with 2min rest x 5 and an easy longer 9 mile run today with some 'old MP' miles to round off the week at 38 miles with some good intensity in there.
I have not done too many hilly runs at 7:30's even in my best shape earlier this year, mostly due to always taking the first few miles very easily as a rule.
T6 vanman said:
Smitters said:
Is it in the UK, or Tennessee?
I have no tips as such, but in watching a short film on the Big Backyard, it occurred to me that eating on the run would be helpful as that would allow more time to catnap/do admin. I.e. do what you can when you can. You can't tape a blister while running, but you can eat a pasty.
If it's only a 24 hour event (I say only!) I would be tempted to try an ignore the imposed time limits to an extent and run it as a 24 hour 100 mile race. If it's as long as you make it, more fool you! And chapeau.
Small charity UK event,I have no tips as such, but in watching a short film on the Big Backyard, it occurred to me that eating on the run would be helpful as that would allow more time to catnap/do admin. I.e. do what you can when you can. You can't tape a blister while running, but you can eat a pasty.
If it's only a 24 hour event (I say only!) I would be tempted to try an ignore the imposed time limits to an extent and run it as a 24 hour 100 mile race. If it's as long as you make it, more fool you! And chapeau.
I think the rules are .. everyone starts on the hour every hour … so 4.2 every 55 min's is my plan, As there will be a hot water station … I guess pot noddles will be the order of the day
and i'm honoured to receive a chapeau from yourself
Ground out 12 laps (50 miles) before missing lap 13 to repair my toes, completed another 2 then rested for 4 hours, completed 4 out of the next 5 so in total 18 laps & 75 miles …… not bad to someone who's odometer has as clicked over 50 &
UpTheIron said:
Halb said:
Does anyone run in Altras?
I've tried as I like the idea. In practice found them a big and clumsy. Might have to find a shop selling a range and try a few different pairs/sizes.Does anyone have any suggestions of good trail shoes around the £50-75 mark, happy to go a little higher if they are worth it.
I will be using them mainly for outdoor circuit training in the local park. Roughly a 50/50 split of tarmac and mud/grass. I will also be using them for a 24 hour race next September.
I am looking at Salomon Speedcross 4 at the moment, would these be suitable?
I will be using them mainly for outdoor circuit training in the local park. Roughly a 50/50 split of tarmac and mud/grass. I will also be using them for a 24 hour race next September.
I am looking at Salomon Speedcross 4 at the moment, would these be suitable?
Edited by fiatpower on Thursday 29th November 12:54
fiatpower said:
Does anyone have any suggestions of good trail shoes around the £50-75 mark, happy to go a little higher if they are worth it.
I will be using them mainly for outdoor circuit training in the local park. Roughly a 50/50 split of tarmac and mud/grass. I will also be using them for a 24 hour race next September.
I am looking at Salomon Speedcross 4 at the moment, would these be suitable?
You need to go and try on as many pairs as you can and whittle it down.I will be using them mainly for outdoor circuit training in the local park. Roughly a 50/50 split of tarmac and mud/grass. I will also be using them for a 24 hour race next September.
I am looking at Salomon Speedcross 4 at the moment, would these be suitable?
Edited by fiatpower on Thursday 29th November 12:54
The Salomons might be perfect, they might be the worst possible for your foot shape. Listen to your feet.
Hi All
I gave a pair of Skins compression calf tights a go today while running. I lasted about a KM before I had to pull them down and run with them bunched at my ankles as the squeeze was killing my calves.
How do people wear these?? Are compressport models any better?? or do I or should I simply get used to them??
cheers
I gave a pair of Skins compression calf tights a go today while running. I lasted about a KM before I had to pull them down and run with them bunched at my ankles as the squeeze was killing my calves.
How do people wear these?? Are compressport models any better?? or do I or should I simply get used to them??
cheers
re shoes - ^ Yup x1000
rastapasta said:
Hi All
I gave a pair of Skins compression calf tights a go today while running. I lasted about a KM before I had to pull them down and run with them bunched at my ankles as the squeeze was killing my calves.
How do people wear these?? Are compressport models any better?? or do I or should I simply get used to them??
cheers
I think I have Skins, seem OK (they do different sizes I think) - I'm not really convinced about any physiological advantages but they keep my legs a bit warmer and stop the bracken scrapes at least I gave a pair of Skins compression calf tights a go today while running. I lasted about a KM before I had to pull them down and run with them bunched at my ankles as the squeeze was killing my calves.
How do people wear these?? Are compressport models any better?? or do I or should I simply get used to them??
cheers
andy_s said:
I think I have Skins, seem OK (they do different sizes I think) - I'm not really convinced about any physiological advantages but they keep my legs a bit warmer and stop the bracken scrapes at least
My thoughts exactly. I don't bother with my Salomon ones for races anymore, but they're handy for bushwhacking.This year has been a total write off. Went on a training day on Sunday organised by the same people as the fan dance. It was navigation training in the mountains. The training was superb and I learnt loads. It did however highlight that my fitness and fatness are not good at all. I only had a 22lb bag and I was really struggling up the hills.
I lacked motivation for month after my hospital visit and DNS'ing IM Lanza, then a bad back, then flu I couldn't shake. I am too fat to run now, knackering my joints.
Going to hit the gym and the cross trainer and shed some timber then get back on it next year. Think I will postpone the fan dance to the summer version.
I lacked motivation for month after my hospital visit and DNS'ing IM Lanza, then a bad back, then flu I couldn't shake. I am too fat to run now, knackering my joints.
Going to hit the gym and the cross trainer and shed some timber then get back on it next year. Think I will postpone the fan dance to the summer version.
Scabutz said:
This year has been a total write off. Went on a training day on Sunday organised by the same people as the fan dance. It was navigation training in the mountains. The training was superb and I learnt loads. It did however highlight that my fitness and fatness are not good at all. I only had a 22lb bag and I was really struggling up the hills.
I lacked motivation for month after my hospital visit and DNS'ing IM Lanza, then a bad back, then flu I couldn't shake. I am too fat to run now, knackering my joints.
Going to hit the gym and the cross trainer and shed some timber then get back on it next year. Think I will postpone the fan dance to the summer version.
Personal call, but if you went out and suffered through it in Jan I reckon you'd feel ten times better than you do now.I lacked motivation for month after my hospital visit and DNS'ing IM Lanza, then a bad back, then flu I couldn't shake. I am too fat to run now, knackering my joints.
Going to hit the gym and the cross trainer and shed some timber then get back on it next year. Think I will postpone the fan dance to the summer version.
Performance is a moveable thing, it comes and goes and if you're thinking competitively then it's all completely relative to the rest of the field anyway.
It's understandable to not want to go into a race feeling like you've no way of hitting your potential. But going out, pushing yourself and knowing you've kept going when all you wanted to do is stop is something you can do at any fitness level. If anything, being out for longer than you might otherwise have been you're getting your money's worth out of the race. So I say do it.
The winter weather on FD is half the challenge anyway - you may miss the experience of trying to climb Jacobs Ladder with 60mph wind-driven rain in summer (although it's Wales, so even in summer that's a decent possibility.)
Unless you're worried about injury. In which case, disregard everything I just said
tenohfive said:
Personal call, but if you went out and suffered through it in Jan I reckon you'd feel ten times better than you do now.
Performance is a moveable thing, it comes and goes and if you're thinking competitively then it's all completely relative to the rest of the field anyway.
It's understandable to not want to go into a race feeling like you've no way of hitting your potential. But going out, pushing yourself and knowing you've kept going when all you wanted to do is stop is something you can do at any fitness level. If anything, being out for longer than you might otherwise have been you're getting your money's worth out of the race. So I say do it.
A week ago I was in this frame of mind. I have always been about completion not competition - at 6'5'' and broad I'm a fPerformance is a moveable thing, it comes and goes and if you're thinking competitively then it's all completely relative to the rest of the field anyway.
It's understandable to not want to go into a race feeling like you've no way of hitting your potential. But going out, pushing yourself and knowing you've kept going when all you wanted to do is stop is something you can do at any fitness level. If anything, being out for longer than you might otherwise have been you're getting your money's worth out of the race. So I say do it.
king unit even at "race weight". I really don't think I am in a state to actually finish though. At my peak I was 94kg, running 45 min 10ks at the end of Oly triathlons. Currently I am 119kg and getting out of breath walking up the stairs at work.I could struggle through 24km, but in deep winter, with 35-40lbs extra on my back, up and over Pen-Y-Fan twice. Just don't think I can do it.
On Sunday we climbed a mountain to 475m, roughly half the Fan. I had 22lb, so 60% of what I will be carrying in the dance. My HR felt like it was at max, I was blowing out my arse.
tenohfive said:
The winter weather on FD is half the challenge anyway - you may miss the experience of trying to climb Jacobs Ladder with 60mph wind-driven rain in summer (although it's Wales, so even in summer that's a decent possibility.)
I know. That's what attracted me to it. I love pushing on in st weather. It will still be there in 2020 though! Treat the summer as a reccy and then go for it in a years time.tenohfive said:
Unless you're worried about injury. In which case, disregard everything I just said
This is a genuine worry. If I were going to go for in Jan I would need to rag it for 5 weeks, including starving myself to shed weight. At the minute any weight bearing training is leaving my joints hurting: toes, ankle, knees and hips. The guy running the training on Sunday is former SAS, and obviously has done the FD for real, he was really nice about it, but I could tell he was really not impressed with the state I was in.I really need to tame my demons, I either eat and train like a pro athlete or eat and drink like Oliver Reed!
Scabutz said:
tenohfive said:
Personal call, but if you went out and suffered through it in Jan I reckon you'd feel ten times better than you do now.
Performance is a moveable thing, it comes and goes and if you're thinking competitively then it's all completely relative to the rest of the field anyway.
It's understandable to not want to go into a race feeling like you've no way of hitting your potential. But going out, pushing yourself and knowing you've kept going when all you wanted to do is stop is something you can do at any fitness level. If anything, being out for longer than you might otherwise have been you're getting your money's worth out of the race. So I say do it.
A week ago I was in this frame of mind. I have always been about completion not competition - at 6'5'' and broad I'm a fPerformance is a moveable thing, it comes and goes and if you're thinking competitively then it's all completely relative to the rest of the field anyway.
It's understandable to not want to go into a race feeling like you've no way of hitting your potential. But going out, pushing yourself and knowing you've kept going when all you wanted to do is stop is something you can do at any fitness level. If anything, being out for longer than you might otherwise have been you're getting your money's worth out of the race. So I say do it.
king unit even at "race weight". I really don't think I am in a state to actually finish though. At my peak I was 94kg, running 45 min 10ks at the end of Oly triathlons. Currently I am 119kg and getting out of breath walking up the stairs at work.I could struggle through 24km, but in deep winter, with 35-40lbs extra on my back, up and over Pen-Y-Fan twice. Just don't think I can do it.
On Sunday we climbed a mountain to 475m, roughly half the Fan. I had 22lb, so 60% of what I will be carrying in the dance. My HR felt like it was at max, I was blowing out my arse.
tenohfive said:
The winter weather on FD is half the challenge anyway - you may miss the experience of trying to climb Jacobs Ladder with 60mph wind-driven rain in summer (although it's Wales, so even in summer that's a decent possibility.)
I know. That's what attracted me to it. I love pushing on in st weather. It will still be there in 2020 though! Treat the summer as a reccy and then go for it in a years time.tenohfive said:
Unless you're worried about injury. In which case, disregard everything I just said
This is a genuine worry. If I were going to go for in Jan I would need to rag it for 5 weeks, including starving myself to shed weight. At the minute any weight bearing training is leaving my joints hurting: toes, ankle, knees and hips. The guy running the training on Sunday is former SAS, and obviously has done the FD for real, he was really nice about it, but I could tell he was really not impressed with the state I was in.I really need to tame my demons, I either eat and train like a pro athlete or eat and drink like Oliver Reed!
Regarding the diet, I would suggest that you follow something like, eat early when you get up and keep 5 hours in between meals. Stay off the bread and the beer, stick to the brown rice and pasta, lots of water, good coffee etc and dont eat after 1900-1930hrs.
Stay positive and you'll nail it.
Yeah, HTFU man...
Everyone has their own thoughts about it I guess, but we can be drawn to races/events that bill themselves as 'tough' or 'the hardest' for a variety of reasons. But sometimes they aren't so tough or we're tougher than them with ease. For me, who has DNFed quite a few events, I want to feel as if it is a true 'hard' and 'tough' race compared to my own abilities. This means inevitably you'll fail to finish some as you are on the cusp of ability, but being on the cusp of ability is what drives you to being better and gives you the subsequent elation at honestly having achieved something truly difficult when you do.
From a philosophical level we shouldn't strive for happiness as a goal [an easy completion] but strive to struggle and be happy as a result.
From a DS level, HTFU....
Everyone has their own thoughts about it I guess, but we can be drawn to races/events that bill themselves as 'tough' or 'the hardest' for a variety of reasons. But sometimes they aren't so tough or we're tougher than them with ease. For me, who has DNFed quite a few events, I want to feel as if it is a true 'hard' and 'tough' race compared to my own abilities. This means inevitably you'll fail to finish some as you are on the cusp of ability, but being on the cusp of ability is what drives you to being better and gives you the subsequent elation at honestly having achieved something truly difficult when you do.
From a philosophical level we shouldn't strive for happiness as a goal [an easy completion] but strive to struggle and be happy as a result.
From a DS level, HTFU....
Scabutz said:
This is a genuine worry. If I were going to go for in Jan I would need to rag it for 5 weeks, including starving myself to shed weight. At the minute any weight bearing training is leaving my joints hurting: toes, ankle, knees and hips. The guy running the training on Sunday is former SAS, and obviously has done the FD for real, he was really nice about it, but I could tell he was really not impressed with the state I was in.
I really need to tame my demons, I either eat and train like a pro athlete or eat and drink like Oliver Reed!
If you're doing the Avalanche Events Fan Dance I don't think you can postpone. I have entered the loaded Fan Dance in January as well but I just haven't been able to do any weighted running and haven't even broken my boots in. Based on this I am going to drop down to clean fatigue and run it with the lower weight and trail shoes. May be worth you doing the same rather than wasting the money?I really need to tame my demons, I either eat and train like a pro athlete or eat and drink like Oliver Reed!
Scabutz - as my ex-forces mate says whenever I'm grumbling or aching, strap it up and suck it up.
But seriously, it wasn't going to be easy. I doubt you'll regret giving it a go. I reckon you'll regret not trying.
Right - having a ponder on 2019... I'm somehow turning into a bit of a nutter:
Jan 26 - Winter Wychavon Way?
Feb 10 - Dursley Dozen
Feb 17 - regional XC
April 14 - Great Welsh Marathon
April 27 - Butcombe 56 (ITRA 4)?
May 17 - Thwarted Rebellion (ITRA 5)?
May 25-26 - Pembrey 24h?
Sept 21-22 - Cotswold Way Century (ITRA 6)?
But seriously, it wasn't going to be easy. I doubt you'll regret giving it a go. I reckon you'll regret not trying.
Right - having a ponder on 2019... I'm somehow turning into a bit of a nutter:
Jan 26 - Winter Wychavon Way?
Feb 10 - Dursley Dozen
Feb 17 - regional XC
April 14 - Great Welsh Marathon
April 27 - Butcombe 56 (ITRA 4)?
May 17 - Thwarted Rebellion (ITRA 5)?
May 25-26 - Pembrey 24h?
Sept 21-22 - Cotswold Way Century (ITRA 6)?
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