The Running Thread Vol 2
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Greetings runners of PH! Bit of a fitness/physical problem stopping me running currently. Had a couple of weeks off over xmas/NY then started with a couple of small runs to get back into it. Felt pretty good so did a bigger run - nothing crazy, just 7.5kms - and seems I injured/strained my Achilles tendon, both very sore the following day. So I've laid off running since, mostly cycling, but every little run I've done I've ended up with sore Achilles again.
Basically, every time I run I end up with sore Achilles. Anybody had this before? Any strategy I can use to prevent it? Or is it a simple case of laying off running for a couple of weeks to let everything heal properly (even though they feel ok within a couple of days).
Basically, every time I run I end up with sore Achilles. Anybody had this before? Any strategy I can use to prevent it? Or is it a simple case of laying off running for a couple of weeks to let everything heal properly (even though they feel ok within a couple of days).
trackdemon said:
Greetings runners of PH! Bit of a fitness/physical problem stopping me running currently. Had a couple of weeks off over xmas/NY then started with a couple of small runs to get back into it. Felt pretty good so did a bigger run - nothing crazy, just 7.5kms - and seems I injured/strained my Achilles tendon, both very sore the following day. So I've laid off running since, mostly cycling, but every little run I've done I've ended up with sore Achilles again.
Basically, every time I run I end up with sore Achilles. Anybody had this before? Any strategy I can use to prevent it? Or is it a simple case of laying off running for a couple of weeks to let everything heal properly (even though they feel ok within a couple of days).
Yes, I've had this problem after changing my running style away from heel strike to protect my knees (with advice and supervision from a gait expert). Thankfully, this one has a simple exercise which gave remarkably quick and effective results. I've been shown this same exercise by my wife (a GP who runs) and a sports physio:Basically, every time I run I end up with sore Achilles. Anybody had this before? Any strategy I can use to prevent it? Or is it a simple case of laying off running for a couple of weeks to let everything heal properly (even though they feel ok within a couple of days).
Stand on a step facing the step on the balls of your feet with your heels hanging out beyond the step - like a high board diver about to do a backflip dive. Now go onto one leg, and lift the heel of the supporting leg to get the heel up as high as you can, and then drop down very slowly, past the horizontal, so the heel is lower than your toes, and go down as far as you can, stretching the achilles tendon right out. To get back up again I've heard two techniques: my wife said to go up quickly on the same foot, whereas my physio said to use the other leg to help you up - however both agree that the important bit is the slow drop down past the horizontal. Repeat a few times and then repeat for the other leg. Do this daily. You Tube should have this demonstrated.
Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 23 January 17:27
RobM77 said:
trackdemon said:
Greetings runners of PH! Bit of a fitness/physical problem stopping me running currently. Had a couple of weeks off over xmas/NY then started with a couple of small runs to get back into it. Felt pretty good so did a bigger run - nothing crazy, just 7.5kms - and seems I injured/strained my Achilles tendon, both very sore the following day. So I've laid off running since, mostly cycling, but every little run I've done I've ended up with sore Achilles again.
Basically, every time I run I end up with sore Achilles. Anybody had this before? Any strategy I can use to prevent it? Or is it a simple case of laying off running for a couple of weeks to let everything heal properly (even though they feel ok within a couple of days).
Yes, I've had this problem after changing my running style away from heel strike to protect my knees (with advice and supervision from a gait expert). Thankfully, this one has a simple exercise which gave remarkably quick and effective results. I've been shown this same exercise by my wife (a GP who runs) and a sports physio:Basically, every time I run I end up with sore Achilles. Anybody had this before? Any strategy I can use to prevent it? Or is it a simple case of laying off running for a couple of weeks to let everything heal properly (even though they feel ok within a couple of days).
Stand on a step facing the step on the balls of your feet with your heels hanging out beyond the step - like a high board diver about to do a backflip dive. Now go onto one leg, and lift the heel of the supporting leg to get the heel up as high as you can, and then drop down very slowly, past the horizontal, so the heel is lower than your toes, and go down as far as you can, stretching the achilles tendon right out. To get back up again I've heard two techniques: my wife said to go up quickly on the same foot, whereas my physio said to use the other leg to help you up - however both agree that the important bit is the slow drop down past the horizontal. Repeat a few times and then repeat for the other leg. Do this daily. You Tube should have this demonstrated.
Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 23 January 17:27
xcseventy said:
Another very snowy run before work, -5 at Loch level, reckon the top could have been -10.
Slow going on the way up, but the descent was amazing. Almost like skiing. Although we all fell in various places onto hidden rocks, have a nice cut on my ankle which looked a bit of a mess...
Nice piccies. Looks like a Wim Hoff training session. Slow going on the way up, but the descent was amazing. Almost like skiing. Although we all fell in various places onto hidden rocks, have a nice cut on my ankle which looked a bit of a mess...
trackdemon said:
RobM77 said:
trackdemon said:
Greetings runners of PH! Bit of a fitness/physical problem stopping me running currently. Had a couple of weeks off over xmas/NY then started with a couple of small runs to get back into it. Felt pretty good so did a bigger run - nothing crazy, just 7.5kms - and seems I injured/strained my Achilles tendon, both very sore the following day. So I've laid off running since, mostly cycling, but every little run I've done I've ended up with sore Achilles again.
Basically, every time I run I end up with sore Achilles. Anybody had this before? Any strategy I can use to prevent it? Or is it a simple case of laying off running for a couple of weeks to let everything heal properly (even though they feel ok within a couple of days).
Yes, I've had this problem after changing my running style away from heel strike to protect my knees (with advice and supervision from a gait expert). Thankfully, this one has a simple exercise which gave remarkably quick and effective results. I've been shown this same exercise by my wife (a GP who runs) and a sports physio:Basically, every time I run I end up with sore Achilles. Anybody had this before? Any strategy I can use to prevent it? Or is it a simple case of laying off running for a couple of weeks to let everything heal properly (even though they feel ok within a couple of days).
Stand on a step facing the step on the balls of your feet with your heels hanging out beyond the step - like a high board diver about to do a backflip dive. Now go onto one leg, and lift the heel of the supporting leg to get the heel up as high as you can, and then drop down very slowly, past the horizontal, so the heel is lower than your toes, and go down as far as you can, stretching the achilles tendon right out. To get back up again I've heard two techniques: my wife said to go up quickly on the same foot, whereas my physio said to use the other leg to help you up - however both agree that the important bit is the slow drop down past the horizontal. Repeat a few times and then repeat for the other leg. Do this daily. You Tube should have this demonstrated.
Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 23 January 17:27
That's how I fixed a problem with my achilles tendon. It's the eccentric phase you want to concentrate on (lowering your weight) as the muscle is being lengthened while still contracting which IIRC is what stimulates it to repair itself. Hence the comments about using your other leg to help you back up.
You can do them with a straight leg and a slightly bent leg, which targets different areas.
I started with 10 each leg, both straight and bent knee (so 40 in total) then built up to a couple of sets of 20.
You can do them with a straight leg and a slightly bent leg, which targets different areas.
I started with 10 each leg, both straight and bent knee (so 40 in total) then built up to a couple of sets of 20.
lufbramatt said:
That's how I fixed a problem with my achilles tendon. It's the eccentric phase you want to concentrate on (lowering your weight) as the muscle is being lengthened while still contracting which IIRC is what stimulates it to repair itself. Hence the comments about using your other leg to help you back up.
You can do them with a straight leg and a slightly bent leg, which targets different areas.
I started with 10 each leg, both straight and bent knee (so 40 in total) then built up to a couple of sets of 20.
All good info! I've started with reps of 10 each twice a day, lowering very slowly unsupported then up quickly and back down. And the results seem nigh instantaneous - left ankle feels absolutely fine, where it was quite painful yesterday. The big tell will be after football tonight, an hours 5 a side is naturally a lot tougher than a 5-6km jog. I expect there'll be some soreness, but will continue the exercises and keep to cycling for a week or so to give it a chance to build up some strength before I try running again. But thanks for the info!You can do them with a straight leg and a slightly bent leg, which targets different areas.
I started with 10 each leg, both straight and bent knee (so 40 in total) then built up to a couple of sets of 20.
xcseventy said:
Another very snowy run before work, -5 at Loch level, reckon the top could have been -10.
Slow going on the way up, but the descent was amazing. Almost like skiing. Although we all fell in various places onto hidden rocks, have a nice cut on my ankle which looked a bit of a mess...
I love the cobbler one of my favourite hills photos are excellent - Did you thread the needle today Slow going on the way up, but the descent was amazing. Almost like skiing. Although we all fell in various places onto hidden rocks, have a nice cut on my ankle which looked a bit of a mess...
Hi all.
Anybody returned a pair of used Nikes bought from their website.
Bought some Pegasus Turbos. In the size that my Pegasus 35s are (11.5UK) Fit is ok, but the toe box is not as tall, and its been rubbing my second toe on one foot. The classic giant bruise under the nail. Looking online it does seem if they are going to rub that's one of the usual points. It seems its due to the stripe overlay on the upper restricting movement of the upper. I'm also developing a weird hard spot of skin (corn) under the ball of one foot. It seems only when I use these. So I guess its something to do with the make up of the 2 materials on the sole.
The other thing is that I don't think its as good as the common or garden Peg35! It feels like its sapping energy from me, rather than giving it back. Talk of X% energy return are wide of the mark. ZoomX is VERY squishy after a long run, a sort of bubblegum feeling. Comfy but not sure its good for running. Possibly over cushioned
Nikes website does say
"We design our shoes and gear to help you perform at peak level, so if they're not working exactly right for you, we've got you covered. When you buy on Nike.com, we provide you 30 days from the delivery date to take your Nike or Hurley purchases for a trial run, confidently knowing you can return (or exchange) any item (some exceptions apply) for any reason within 30 days"
Key part there is "trial run" I've run 3 times in them. Longest was 20K. Never in rain. They can be cleaned up easily, its just dried dust/dirt in the pic. And they aren't ruined by any means
(Crap phone pic)
Any experiences welcome. If they weren't so expensive Id probably just write it off, but £160 for shoes I don't want to use is galling. But if I have to suck it up then I will. I'd even consider a credit note tbh or swap for another pair of shoes. Anybody using the Epic React 2 or ZoomFlys? (not 4%)
I'll need to send them back today or tomorrow though as I'm right near the 30 day window.
Anybody returned a pair of used Nikes bought from their website.
Bought some Pegasus Turbos. In the size that my Pegasus 35s are (11.5UK) Fit is ok, but the toe box is not as tall, and its been rubbing my second toe on one foot. The classic giant bruise under the nail. Looking online it does seem if they are going to rub that's one of the usual points. It seems its due to the stripe overlay on the upper restricting movement of the upper. I'm also developing a weird hard spot of skin (corn) under the ball of one foot. It seems only when I use these. So I guess its something to do with the make up of the 2 materials on the sole.
The other thing is that I don't think its as good as the common or garden Peg35! It feels like its sapping energy from me, rather than giving it back. Talk of X% energy return are wide of the mark. ZoomX is VERY squishy after a long run, a sort of bubblegum feeling. Comfy but not sure its good for running. Possibly over cushioned
Nikes website does say
"We design our shoes and gear to help you perform at peak level, so if they're not working exactly right for you, we've got you covered. When you buy on Nike.com, we provide you 30 days from the delivery date to take your Nike or Hurley purchases for a trial run, confidently knowing you can return (or exchange) any item (some exceptions apply) for any reason within 30 days"
Key part there is "trial run" I've run 3 times in them. Longest was 20K. Never in rain. They can be cleaned up easily, its just dried dust/dirt in the pic. And they aren't ruined by any means
(Crap phone pic)
Any experiences welcome. If they weren't so expensive Id probably just write it off, but £160 for shoes I don't want to use is galling. But if I have to suck it up then I will. I'd even consider a credit note tbh or swap for another pair of shoes. Anybody using the Epic React 2 or ZoomFlys? (not 4%)
I'll need to send them back today or tomorrow though as I'm right near the 30 day window.
Edited by S1KRR on Sunday 3rd February 11:22
S1KRR said:
Hi all.
Anybody returned a pair of used Nikes bought from their website.
Nike's online returns policy is very, very good. They insist that you try the shoes out and will take them back if they're not to your liking. I've returned a couple of pairs in the past 2 years that weren't as expected (too soft, half size too small, half size too big etc).Anybody returned a pair of used Nikes bought from their website.
Edited by S1KRR on Sunday 3rd February 11:22
You shouldn't have any problem returning them. Warranty issues are also very good, where they've sent me a fresh pair of racing flats after the upper prematurely ripped.
tenohfive said:
You've just bought shoes online, had issues, and are now asking for recommendations for other shoes to buy online?
Seems like a gamble when £160 isn't what you'd consider throwaway money.
In fairness NikeTown in Oxford Circus didn't have my size (11.5UK) in any colourway I wanted Seems like a gamble when £160 isn't what you'd consider throwaway money.
So their store guy said to order it via the app (or website) He did say they were the same size as the Peg35s, and to be fair he's right in the fore/aft and width measurements. Its that the toe box isn't as tall as the P35's.When I received them, standing in my hallway, I wouldn't have suggested anything untoward. And it wasn't the first short "test" 5K run that I started to notice anything.
Turns out Epic React and Vaporfly (non 4%) aren't likely to be any good for me either. Since I'm training for Marathon, and from reviews they are aimed at shorter events. So I've bought another pair of Pegasus 35s. Since my current pair have lasted 600Km and unlike the Turbos they are a shoe you can use everyday. I haven't even got to the point raised in various reviews that apparently they don't last anywhere near as long as the lighter, simpler cheaper P35s
I have returned the Turbos, if Nike reject the return and send them back to me, I'll be offering them for sale for roughly half price. (eBay I guess) If they offer me a Gift voucher for their website I'll be happy anyway. Since I need some new running tights and will probably need ANOTHER pair of shoes in 2 months or so.
I will add that largely ime buying running shoes is always a calculated gamble.
S1KRR said:
In fairness NikeTown in Oxford Circus didn't have my size (11.5UK) in any colourway I wanted So their store guy said to order it via the app (or website) He did say they were the same size as the Peg35s, and to be fair he's right in the fore/aft and width measurements. Its that the toe box isn't as tall as the P35's.
When I received them, standing in my hallway, I wouldn't have suggested anything untoward. And it wasn't the first short "test" 5K run that I started to notice anything.
Turns out Epic React and Vaporfly (non 4%) aren't likely to be any good for me either. Since I'm training for Marathon, and from reviews they are aimed at shorter events. So I've bought another pair of Pegasus 35s. Since my current pair have lasted 600Km and unlike the Turbos they are a shoe you can use everyday. I haven't even got to the point raised in various reviews that apparently they don't last anywhere near as long as the lighter, simpler cheaper P35s
I have returned the Turbos, if Nike reject the return and send them back to me, I'll be offering them for sale for roughly half price. (eBay I guess) If they offer me a Gift voucher for their website I'll be happy anyway. Since I need some new running tights and will probably need ANOTHER pair of shoes in 2 months or so.
I will add that largely ime buying running shoes is always a calculated gamble.
I've got the Zoom Fly Flyknit and found them to be an incredible shoe. The soft react foam coupled with the carbon plate give a very different feeling shoe but one that I personally love and helped me to a 42:27 pb over 10K at weekend just gone. I also have the Peg 35 and they feel like running on bricks by comparison. In the flyknit I wear them for intervals, easy and long runs and they perform impeccably. I did my first 14 miler in them last weekend and my legs felt fresh afterwards and I've had no injury concerns. 17 miles this Sunday in them (marathon training) and I'm looking forward to it. I'd wear my 35's if it was rougher terrain / very wet and for 5 k's but anything other than that I wear the flyknit. God knows how good the 4% must be. So their store guy said to order it via the app (or website) He did say they were the same size as the Peg35s, and to be fair he's right in the fore/aft and width measurements. Its that the toe box isn't as tall as the P35's.When I received them, standing in my hallway, I wouldn't have suggested anything untoward. And it wasn't the first short "test" 5K run that I started to notice anything.
Turns out Epic React and Vaporfly (non 4%) aren't likely to be any good for me either. Since I'm training for Marathon, and from reviews they are aimed at shorter events. So I've bought another pair of Pegasus 35s. Since my current pair have lasted 600Km and unlike the Turbos they are a shoe you can use everyday. I haven't even got to the point raised in various reviews that apparently they don't last anywhere near as long as the lighter, simpler cheaper P35s
I have returned the Turbos, if Nike reject the return and send them back to me, I'll be offering them for sale for roughly half price. (eBay I guess) If they offer me a Gift voucher for their website I'll be happy anyway. Since I need some new running tights and will probably need ANOTHER pair of shoes in 2 months or so.
I will add that largely ime buying running shoes is always a calculated gamble.
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