The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
C0ffin D0dger said:
Mezger said:
Are there any recommended websites to download training plans from? Aiming for a reasonable 10k time by the end of the year.
Take your pick: https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/training-plans/I followed their 5k program for a couple of years and found it produced excellent results.
Two weeks in Menorca, running when the kids were having a siesta meant a cool temp when running was 28 (5am)... peak was 38. OMFG. Took me ten days to get to grips with it to be honest, but the last few runs felt like actual running. Mornings weren't an option except for one half marathon late on for various reasons.
However, I'd rather run/plod/sweat and gasp in stunning scenery than not at all and though sometimes it felt like breathing in a sauna (i.e. hot on the back of your throat). And by God it was stunning. Rocky cliff paths, pine forest singletrack, technical ascents and descents, farm tracks and open karst. And quiet, strangely. Didn't see another runner all fortnight. I did see Booted Eagles and Egyptian Vultures, plus various other small (and presumably tasty) wildlife.
If you go to Santo Tomas, head west and have fun
However, I'd rather run/plod/sweat and gasp in stunning scenery than not at all and though sometimes it felt like breathing in a sauna (i.e. hot on the back of your throat). And by God it was stunning. Rocky cliff paths, pine forest singletrack, technical ascents and descents, farm tracks and open karst. And quiet, strangely. Didn't see another runner all fortnight. I did see Booted Eagles and Egyptian Vultures, plus various other small (and presumably tasty) wildlife.
If you go to Santo Tomas, head west and have fun
RobM77 said:
I'd also recommend Firman: https://t3triteam.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/furm...
I followed their 5k program for a couple of years and found it produced excellent results.
Thanks I followed their 5k program for a couple of years and found it produced excellent results.
Ran a local race last week, 7.5km through a town with a fair amount of turns, cobbles, gravel, etc. Temp was 30C, bright sunshine, and fairly humid. Came 5th overall out of 55 male runners, got 1st place in my age group (M45) and was also faster than all the runners in the M40 group. Ran away from the start line, 300 m later I glanced at my watch and saw a 3min40sec pace, so just decided to follow the fitter, younger looking guy beside me...which I managed, but only for the first half the race. Second half my pace dropped off slowly...I was utterly shagged...I crossed the line in 29min and was brought (carried) to the first aid room for checks. They thought I didn't look very well.
The winner finished the race in 24 mins and that was having raced and won another race the day before.
I really should train more.
The winner finished the race in 24 mins and that was having raced and won another race the day before.
I really should train more.
johnwilliams77 said:
From a previously good standard runner it is depressing that I’ve just bimbled for 6miles with a couple of walk breaks in the heat. I know the fitness will come but it’s tough to deal with and the only answer is to keep at it, from experience
It's exactly the same as a seasoned runner getting from 5min/km to 4min/km or from 4min/km to 3min/km. You start with intervals (in your case walk-run repeat), make the intervals longer, tempo runs, long runs etc, then step up the pace and repeat etc.RobM77 said:
It's exactly the same as a seasoned runner getting from 5min/km to 4min/km or from 4min/km to 3min/km. You start with intervals (in your case walk-run repeat), make the intervals longer, tempo runs, long runs etc, then step up the pace and repeat etc.johnwilliams77 said:
I’m going for a month of base milage (140-155bpm) with a gradual ramp up combined with 60-80miles cycling a week. I’ve never had to ‘start again’ so to speak but I remember how long it took before just to run 10km so know I am in a reasonable fortunate position/place to start.
Ah - you get to enjoy the rapid improvements again. Where breakthroughs come in 10s of seconds per mile.I had a lovely run last night - after a fortnight of crazy heat, I went out for 15km at a really easy effort and found me running as quick as I was last year for 10bpm higher. Just have to capitalise on the improvement without injury.
Smitters said:
Ah - you get to enjoy the rapid improvements again. Where breakthroughs come in 10s of seconds per mile.
I had a lovely run last night - after a fortnight of crazy heat, I went out for 15km at a really easy effort and found me running as quick as I was last year for 10bpm higher. Just have to capitalise on the improvement without injury.
Oh yes but I’d much rather not be in this position. I lose weight and gain it quickly so as I drop weight and train the times for effort reduce quite quickly.I had a lovely run last night - after a fortnight of crazy heat, I went out for 15km at a really easy effort and found me running as quick as I was last year for 10bpm higher. Just have to capitalise on the improvement without injury.
johnwilliams77 said:
Oh yes but I’d much rather not be in this position. I lose weight and gain it quickly so as I drop weight and train the times for effort reduce quite quickly.
Oh, of course. I had an enforced 6 week break, but three weeks of hard work and I'm as good as I was. I'm beginning to subscribe to you lose it half as quick as you gain it.Got a new half marathon route worked out, and gave it a bash on Sunday. A bit more undulating and even technical in places compared to my usual trails so that's a nice change. at around 15k the track narrows and it's bad for nettles tho.
Does anyone go out their way to clear their own routes from time to time?
Does anyone go out their way to clear their own routes from time to time?
FredClogs said:
Smitters said:
Next target, 24 hour track race... Gulp.
Why would you? Sounds like torture, I can understand racing across hills or through urban landscapes, but round and round for 24 hours? Mental. ETA:
It is a fair question and one I have thought about a great deal. I think it's about a desire to enjoy or undergo an internal and personal experience. There's no doubt that running all day in nature is a wonderful thing, views, weather, wildlife. It's almost running without noticing you're running at times and there's no doubt when that happens, it's wonderful.
What I'm interested to see is what process I go through when you remove all that. I expect (but may well be very, very wrong) that there will be a broad spectrum of emotion, ranging from the tortuous hatred of what I'm doing, right to blissful peace. By removing the external factors, those emotions will be much more raw and I'm intrigued as to what that will be like.
I've got a number of goals too - 100 miles in 24 hours being one. Therefore, there is a motivation to keep moving even when times are tough. Another goal is to do exactly that - keep going. When the opportunity to stop for a breather, a sit down and some food comes every 400m, how do you marshal the mental strength to go past time and again. Will the mental preparation I'll do hold up?
I also think, essentially, the running is secondary to the act. I may as well lie in a dark room silently for 24 hours, or sit for 24 hours. It's the removal of the majority of stimulii that attracts me. The 100/24 is just a bonus of doing it via a method I happen to like.
Edited by Smitters on Wednesday 17th July 11:02
Smitters said:
FredClogs said:
Smitters said:
Next target, 24 hour track race... Gulp.
Why would you? Sounds like torture, I can understand racing across hills or through urban landscapes, but round and round for 24 hours? Mental. ETA:
It is a fair question and one I have thought about a great deal. I think it's about a desire to enjoy or undergo an internal and personal experience. There's no doubt that running all day in nature is a wonderful thing, views, weather, wildlife. It's almost running without noticing you're running at times and there's no doubt when that happens, it's wonderful.
What I'm interested to see is what process I go through when you remove all that. I expect (but may well be very, very wrong) that there will be a broad spectrum of emotion, ranging from the tortuous hatred of what I'm doing, right to blissful peace. By removing the external factors, those emotions will be much more raw and I'm intrigued as to what that will be like.
I've got a number of goals too - 100 miles in 24 hours being one. Therefore, there is a motivation to keep moving even when times are tough. Another goal is to do exactly that - keep going. When the opportunity to stop for a breather, a sit down and some food comes every 400m, how do you marshal the mental strength to go past time and again. Will the mental preparation I'll do hold up?
I also think, essentially, the running is secondary to the act. I may as well lie in a dark room silently for 24 hours, or sit for 24 hours. It's the removal of the majority of stimulii that attracts me. The 100/24 is just a bonus of doing it via a method I happen to like.
Edited by Smitters on Wednesday 17th July 11:02
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