The Running Thread Vol 2
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I've just rented a treadmill to cover me during icy and snowy weather and can recommend the company if anyone's interested:
https://www.homegymuk.com/product-category/exercis...
I phoned on Friday and he said he was passing my house later that day, and three hours later I had a brand new treadmill sat in my gym!
It cost me £75 a month with £40 delivery, so £190 for the two months I need it for. Max speed is only 18kph, but personally that covers me for everything other than intervals, which is enough to get me by when the roads go white. The treadmill is brand new and a fairly basic model, but I only intend to use it on 'manual' mode, so it's fine for me. It should also prove handy when I'm alone and need to look after our baby for the day; up until now I've been driving all the way to my parents' house so I can get my run done, but now I can put the baby monitor on and I've got two hours at lunchtime to run whilst he sleeps.
https://www.homegymuk.com/product-category/exercis...
I phoned on Friday and he said he was passing my house later that day, and three hours later I had a brand new treadmill sat in my gym!
It cost me £75 a month with £40 delivery, so £190 for the two months I need it for. Max speed is only 18kph, but personally that covers me for everything other than intervals, which is enough to get me by when the roads go white. The treadmill is brand new and a fairly basic model, but I only intend to use it on 'manual' mode, so it's fine for me. It should also prove handy when I'm alone and need to look after our baby for the day; up until now I've been driving all the way to my parents' house so I can get my run done, but now I can put the baby monitor on and I've got two hours at lunchtime to run whilst he sleeps.
VEIGHT said:
Someone has just mentioned to me that Chris Evans on Virgin this morning was talking about a film that is like 'free solo' for running. Did anyone catch the name or know the name of it?
I didn't, but I'd imagine it's 3100: Run And Becomeblurb said:
www.3100.film
Can running lead to enlightenment? Can it transform your life and make you a better human being? This is the Self-Transcendence 3100 Mile Run, the world's longest race - where competitors must average 59+ miles a day in the 52-day window ... all around a 1/2 mile sidewalk loop in NYC.
How does one even train for this race? A champion Navajo ultra-marathoner, a hunter from the Kalahari Bushmen and a Japanese Monk illustrate how we, as human beings, can and have always used running to transcend our limitations and connect ourselves to realities beyond the physical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1e399N_wB0Can running lead to enlightenment? Can it transform your life and make you a better human being? This is the Self-Transcendence 3100 Mile Run, the world's longest race - where competitors must average 59+ miles a day in the 52-day window ... all around a 1/2 mile sidewalk loop in NYC.
How does one even train for this race? A champion Navajo ultra-marathoner, a hunter from the Kalahari Bushmen and a Japanese Monk illustrate how we, as human beings, can and have always used running to transcend our limitations and connect ourselves to realities beyond the physical.
Camoradi said:
Sounds like my last 5 years 
The only thing I can offer on the motivation front is that over 35 years of running I've had many periods of low motivation, but once I get out of the door I always find something positive in a run. It's just lifting myself to get changed and head out that is difficult.
I'll join you in the 1000 mile target for the year. If I can run a consistent 20 miles every week I'll be happy. Anything over and above that will be a bonus. I move up to V55 next week so some new targets to set.
Cheers - I've had a really tough year, thinking about it, but still got out running a fair amount. I do the vast majority of running on my own, partly because I like the solitude but partly because that's what life dictates, either through timing or because I need to do a certain session and I'm not terribly flexible. I think I've been a bit more exposed to my own mortality in 2019 and conscious the opportunities for lifetime PBs are getting slimmer, unlike my waistline. It's a very negative thought-cycle.The only thing I can offer on the motivation front is that over 35 years of running I've had many periods of low motivation, but once I get out of the door I always find something positive in a run. It's just lifting myself to get changed and head out that is difficult.
I'll join you in the 1000 mile target for the year. If I can run a consistent 20 miles every week I'll be happy. Anything over and above that will be a bonus. I move up to V55 next week so some new targets to set.
I completely agree with getting out of the door. I really struggle with two small kids though - early morning runs more often than not end up with the alarm being changed back to normal in the middle of the night and all the good intentions of an evening run dissipate rapidly after a warm supper and the siren-song of the couch. It's all excuses, but I need to find a way to get myself in a headspace where it's easier to get going.
If anyone can list that running film recommendation, please do - I love a bit of motivation on YouTube.
I feel very lucky; my work don't mind me taking an hour every lunchtime (a bit longer on Tuesdays and Thursdays for Intervals and Tempo), and my wife doesn't mind my long run every Sunday morning (1hr30-2hrs). We have a really good shower at work, a drying area and lockers. This means I currently run about 65-75km a week, over 6 days (Saturday is my rest day). I also feel lucky that I love every mile! Getting out of the door is always a pleasure, apart from maybe when it's howling with wind and rain, but once I'm out I don't mind it.
As for running films, "breaking two" is on You Tube and really good - it documents Nike's attempt at a sub 2 hour marathon. The INEOS 1:59 challenge produced a series of 15-20 minute updates (also on You Tube) in the year leading up to their Vienna attempt, although they're a bit corporate and less interesting as a result. There's a good documentary on Prime about the history of the NY marathon, and I watched a really good You Tube film about a guy doing a famous ultra marathon recently, but I can't remember the name...
As for running films, "breaking two" is on You Tube and really good - it documents Nike's attempt at a sub 2 hour marathon. The INEOS 1:59 challenge produced a series of 15-20 minute updates (also on You Tube) in the year leading up to their Vienna attempt, although they're a bit corporate and less interesting as a result. There's a good documentary on Prime about the history of the NY marathon, and I watched a really good You Tube film about a guy doing a famous ultra marathon recently, but I can't remember the name...
Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 7th January 11:09
RobM77 said:
I feel very lucky; my work don't mind me taking an hour every lunchtime (a bit longer on Tuesdays and Thursdays for Intervals and Tempo), and my wife doesn't mind my long run every Sunday morning (1hr30-2hrs). We have a really good shower at work, a drying area and lockers. This means I currently run about 65-75km a week, over 6 days (Saturday is my rest day). I also feel lucky that I love every mile! Getting out of the door is always a pleasure, apart from maybe when it's howling with wind and rain, but once I'm out I don't mind it.
As for running films, "breaking two" is on You Tube and really good - it documents Nike's attempt at a sub 2 hour marathon. The INEOS 1:59 challenge produced a series of 15-20 minute updates (also on You Tube) in the year leading up to their Vienna attempt, although they're a bit corporate and less interesting as a result. There's a good documentary on Prime about the history of the NY marathon, and I watched a really good You Tube film about a guy doing a famous ultra marathon recently, but I can't remember the name...
Nice, I am aiming for similar volume soon. Did 38 miles last week. What sort of paces you going at and what are your race goal times?As for running films, "breaking two" is on You Tube and really good - it documents Nike's attempt at a sub 2 hour marathon. The INEOS 1:59 challenge produced a series of 15-20 minute updates (also on You Tube) in the year leading up to their Vienna attempt, although they're a bit corporate and less interesting as a result. There's a good documentary on Prime about the history of the NY marathon, and I watched a really good You Tube film about a guy doing a famous ultra marathon recently, but I can't remember the name...
Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 7th January 11:09
johnwilliams77 said:
RobM77 said:
I feel very lucky; my work don't mind me taking an hour every lunchtime (a bit longer on Tuesdays and Thursdays for Intervals and Tempo), and my wife doesn't mind my long run every Sunday morning (1hr30-2hrs). We have a really good shower at work, a drying area and lockers. This means I currently run about 65-75km a week, over 6 days (Saturday is my rest day). I also feel lucky that I love every mile! Getting out of the door is always a pleasure, apart from maybe when it's howling with wind and rain, but once I'm out I don't mind it.
As for running films, "breaking two" is on You Tube and really good - it documents Nike's attempt at a sub 2 hour marathon. The INEOS 1:59 challenge produced a series of 15-20 minute updates (also on You Tube) in the year leading up to their Vienna attempt, although they're a bit corporate and less interesting as a result. There's a good documentary on Prime about the history of the NY marathon, and I watched a really good You Tube film about a guy doing a famous ultra marathon recently, but I can't remember the name...
Nice, I am aiming for similar volume soon. Did 38 miles last week. What sort of paces you going at and what are your race goal times?As for running films, "breaking two" is on You Tube and really good - it documents Nike's attempt at a sub 2 hour marathon. The INEOS 1:59 challenge produced a series of 15-20 minute updates (also on You Tube) in the year leading up to their Vienna attempt, although they're a bit corporate and less interesting as a result. There's a good documentary on Prime about the history of the NY marathon, and I watched a really good You Tube film about a guy doing a famous ultra marathon recently, but I can't remember the name...
Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 7th January 11:09
Each week I do a long run of about 20km, and my intervals and tempo runs each total 10-12km. I then have three easy runs, each about 7-9km.
My current paces (in min/km) are as follows. Heart rate is as per a VO2-Max test I had done back in the summer.
Easy (most of my running): 4:55 - 5:10 (depends on the day - I just keep my HR at around 140).
Tempo: ~3:58-4:10 (again, depends on the day, I just keep my HR at 170-173).
Intervals: 400m 3:29, 800m 3:35, 1000m 3:37, 1600m 3:45 (calculated using Furman).
Current goals are a sub-40min 10k (current PB is 41:52 and I'm aiming for sub 41 this Saturday!), and I have my first half marathon in April, and I'd like to get under 90 minutes for that distance eventually. My original goal when I started running was a sub 20 minute 5k, but I've sort of put that on the shelf to focus on those longer distances, although I know I can easily do that, so must get along to a Parkrun at some point!
Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 7th January 12:27
RobM77 said:
Current goals are a sub-40min 10k (current PB is 41:52 and I'm aiming for sub 41 this Saturday!), and I have my first half marathon in April, and I'd like to get under 90 minutes for that distance eventually. My original goal when I started running was a sub 20 minute 5k, but I've sort of put that on the shelf to focus on those longer distances, although I know I can easily do that, so must get along to a Parkrun at some point!
I got to work on my endurance - 19.28 for 5k and 45.02 for 10k!Tiggsy said:
RobM77 said:
Current goals are a sub-40min 10k (current PB is 41:52 and I'm aiming for sub 41 this Saturday!), and I have my first half marathon in April, and I'd like to get under 90 minutes for that distance eventually. My original goal when I started running was a sub 20 minute 5k, but I've sort of put that on the shelf to focus on those longer distances, although I know I can easily do that, so must get along to a Parkrun at some point!
I got to work on my endurance - 19.28 for 5k and 45.02 for 10k!RobM77 said:
stuff
I reckon with those paces you'll be close to sub 40 soon, and around 1.35 for a half, if not quicker. Top stuff. I too have a forgiving work running wise, though crap showers and a porcelain body so only run 2-4x per week.Ill and having a rest day today. It feels weird not doing anything but eating at lunch!
Thanks Smitters. Fingers crossed! I'm going to enter Cardiff in autumn 2020 too, to give me another crack at 90 minutes. It's so hard to predict times for me because I'm still relatively new to running and very new to these weekly distances. I've noticed some significant improvements since stepping up from 40km to 65km a week, and not just in endurance, in speed too.
Another kit review for you all. Since I started running I've used my Garmin's wrist based heart rate, and have just upgraded to a chest strap (Garmin HRM-Run). There's a huge different in accuracy, as these traces show:
As you can see, the wrist based HRM has a lot of noise compared to the chest strap, and the wrist based heart rate just couldn't keep up with intervals. I always got the feeling that the wrist based HRM was using a guess of what it thought my HR should be as well as what it measured, so it was fine on walks and long slow runs, but couldn't really cut it on tempo runs and especially intervals. This started to irritate me after I was VO2 Max tested, because I wanted to start using HR to train.
Another kit review for you all. Since I started running I've used my Garmin's wrist based heart rate, and have just upgraded to a chest strap (Garmin HRM-Run). There's a huge different in accuracy, as these traces show:
As you can see, the wrist based HRM has a lot of noise compared to the chest strap, and the wrist based heart rate just couldn't keep up with intervals. I always got the feeling that the wrist based HRM was using a guess of what it thought my HR should be as well as what it measured, so it was fine on walks and long slow runs, but couldn't really cut it on tempo runs and especially intervals. This started to irritate me after I was VO2 Max tested, because I wanted to start using HR to train.
Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 7th January 15:04
bigandclever said:
VEIGHT said:
Someone has just mentioned to me that Chris Evans on Virgin this morning was talking about a film that is like 'free solo' for running. Did anyone catch the name or know the name of it?
I didn't, but I'd imagine it's 3100: Run And Becomeblurb said:
www.3100.film
Can running lead to enlightenment? Can it transform your life and make you a better human being? This is the Self-Transcendence 3100 Mile Run, the world's longest race - where competitors must average 59+ miles a day in the 52-day window ... all around a 1/2 mile sidewalk loop in NYC.
How does one even train for this race? A champion Navajo ultra-marathoner, a hunter from the Kalahari Bushmen and a Japanese Monk illustrate how we, as human beings, can and have always used running to transcend our limitations and connect ourselves to realities beyond the physical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1e399N_wB0Can running lead to enlightenment? Can it transform your life and make you a better human being? This is the Self-Transcendence 3100 Mile Run, the world's longest race - where competitors must average 59+ miles a day in the 52-day window ... all around a 1/2 mile sidewalk loop in NYC.
How does one even train for this race? A champion Navajo ultra-marathoner, a hunter from the Kalahari Bushmen and a Japanese Monk illustrate how we, as human beings, can and have always used running to transcend our limitations and connect ourselves to realities beyond the physical.
RizzoTheRat said:
Yay, got in to Man V Horse again. The Mrs got a solo place and I'm in a relay with the friend who did it last year with us, and hopefully a third member of our club joining us 
IT band normally hurts on the outside of the knee rather than over the top. I need to book a physio session next week to sort mine out,
Grizzly and endure 24 this year?wrencho said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
Been getting a pain in my right knee. Usually not to bad when running but in the evening / morning followig excercise really sore. If I straighten my leg it feels like its running over the top of my knee cap and the muscle at from my thigh. Not quite sure where its come from but very bad if I straighten my leg out. Anyone had similar? I suppose the best thing to do is find a physio anyone South Manchester / Cheshire reccomend a good one?
IT Band? You need to strengthen your quads and glutes upRobM77 said:
Gosh, yes, that is very different! I reckon if I had a decent crack at a level 5k on smooth ground I might be around 19:30, and for 10k around 40:30. I'm 43, which may make a difference? I know speed is supposed to fade with age and endurance improves. A friend of mine's brother, who I think is older than me, has a marathon PB of 2:58, but can't do a sub-40 10k...
I'm 46 - but 220lbs so the weight kicks in over time/distance....my marathon and 50K times are grim (relatively) - but I only stepped up from parkrun 12 months ago so they are getting better. Under 43 for 10k is target for the spring.Tiggsy said:
RobM77 said:
Gosh, yes, that is very different! I reckon if I had a decent crack at a level 5k on smooth ground I might be around 19:30, and for 10k around 40:30. I'm 43, which may make a difference? I know speed is supposed to fade with age and endurance improves. A friend of mine's brother, who I think is older than me, has a marathon PB of 2:58, but can't do a sub-40 10k...
I'm 46 - but 220lbs so the weight kicks in over time/distance....my marathon and 50K times are grim (relatively) - but I only stepped up from parkrun 12 months ago so they are getting better. Under 43 for 10k is target for the spring.By the way, I'm 42 - I can't even remember my age right
I do this odd thing where if I'm a few months from my birthday I mentally assume I'm the older age - I think it reduces the shock when it actually comes 
Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 7th January 16:39
6ft6 and lift a lot which means I'm heavier than I need to be. I run around 12% BF and will drop a tiny bit before spring.
There is no doubt I could stop lifting/eating and drop some lean size......but I look at the build of the people I finish with and I'd rather look like I cant run...but can a bit! Happy being the odd one out......came 3rd in a recent canicross dog race....beat a bunch of skinny runners with huskies......with my jack russel I'm sure when we lined up people thought we looked.....err......slow!
There is no doubt I could stop lifting/eating and drop some lean size......but I look at the build of the people I finish with and I'd rather look like I cant run...but can a bit! Happy being the odd one out......came 3rd in a recent canicross dog race....beat a bunch of skinny runners with huskies......with my jack russel
I'm sure when we lined up people thought we looked.....err......slow!RobM77 said:
Gosh, yes, that is very different! I reckon if I had a decent crack at a level 5k on smooth ground I might be around 19:30, and for 10k around 40:30. I'm 43, which may make a difference? I know speed is supposed to fade with age and endurance improves. A friend of mine's brother, who I think is older than me, has a marathon PB of 2:58, but can't do a sub-40 10k...
I'm 43 this year and just cracked the 40 min 10k and the 20 min 5k in the last 6 months. Only run 3 times a week tho so not getting your milage but my endurance isn't great due to a lack of long runs. A half marathon in September is the furthest I've ever ran (plus 2 training runs before it)/Tiggsy said:
6ft6 and lift a lot which means I'm heavier than I need to be. I run around 12% BF and will drop a tiny bit before spring.
There is no doubt I could stop lifting/eating and drop some lean size......but I look at the build of the people I finish with and I'd rather look like I cant run...but can a bit! Happy being the odd one out......came 3rd in a recent canicross dog race....beat a bunch of skinny runners with huskies......with my jack russel I'm sure when we lined up people thought we looked.....err......slow!
To be fair that’s unusually tall!There is no doubt I could stop lifting/eating and drop some lean size......but I look at the build of the people I finish with and I'd rather look like I cant run...but can a bit! Happy being the odd one out......came 3rd in a recent canicross dog race....beat a bunch of skinny runners with huskies......with my jack russel
I'm sure when we lined up people thought we looked.....err......slow!irish boy said:
RobM77 said:
Gosh, yes, that is very different! I reckon if I had a decent crack at a level 5k on smooth ground I might be around 19:30, and for 10k around 40:30. I'm 43, which may make a difference? I know speed is supposed to fade with age and endurance improves. A friend of mine's brother, who I think is older than me, has a marathon PB of 2:58, but can't do a sub-40 10k...
I'm 43 this year and just cracked the 40 min 10k and the 20 min 5k in the last 6 months. Only run 3 times a week tho so not getting your milage but my endurance isn't great due to a lack of long runs. A half marathon in September is the furthest I've ever ran (plus 2 training runs before it)/Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 7th January 19:16
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