The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
Jimboka said:
Some people just can’t run marathons..
Never finished one & thought ‘that was a good day at the office’!
Back in the day,
Marathon 3.07!
Not sure if serious! 3.07 and not having fun! Never finished one & thought ‘that was a good day at the office’!
Back in the day,
Marathon 3.07!
TBH, though I don't think many people finish a marathon and feel it was a good day. The endorphins take a while to kick in. I guess the only exception is if you break whatever time you had in mind. So Sub 3.,Sub 3h30, BQ, etc
All the other time, it's a fight with your brain about saying sod it
ajap1979 said:
I'd just make sure you do plenty of experimentation with the gels you plan to use, and potentially sip one over a few miles, rather than down in one. They're basically sugar so it's quite easy to experience a huge energy slump taking one in a single hit.
A while ago I saw an limited offer for Maurten Gel 100. Buy a box of 12, get 12 free. Given they are quite expensive, I thought why not. (Bloody offer ended now of course!)They're really good! No taste really. And they are like soft jelly, so easier to bite a bit and then slowly swallow it. Then bite another bit. I think I prefer these over my usual TORQ gels. Partly because you can take them without water. Perhaps try these as well. As a guide, I'm having one every 5 or so miles when I'm going over 13miles. And taking around a km to eat it completely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6LRRBxJFps
ajap1979 said:
Anyone know when Nike are looking to launch the Tempos?
No launch date yet. "Believe in the Run" said that there now WILL NOT be a Peg Turbo 3. There WILL be a Zoom Fly 4 as well. (Though that may be re-named "Tempo" possibly, maybe, who knows
)S1KRR said:
Jimboka said:
Some people just can’t run marathons..
Never finished one & thought ‘that was a good day at the office’!
Back in the day,
Marathon 3.07!
Not sure if serious! 3.07 and not having fun! Never finished one & thought ‘that was a good day at the office’!
Back in the day,
Marathon 3.07!
TBH, though I don't think many people finish a marathon and feel it was a good day. The endorphins take a while to kick in. I guess the only exception is if you break whatever time you had in mind. So Sub 3.,Sub 3h30, BQ, etc
All the other time, it's a fight with your brain about saying sod it
ajap1979 said:
I'd just make sure you do plenty of experimentation with the gels you plan to use, and potentially sip one over a few miles, rather than down in one. They're basically sugar so it's quite easy to experience a huge energy slump taking one in a single hit.
A while ago I saw an limited offer for Maurten Gel 100. Buy a box of 12, get 12 free. Given they are quite expensive, I thought why not. (Bloody offer ended now of course!)They're really good! No taste really. And they are like soft jelly, so easier to bite a bit and then slowly swallow it. Then bite another bit. I think I prefer these over my usual TORQ gels. Partly because you can take them without water. Perhaps try these as well. As a guide, I'm having one every 5 or so miles when I'm going over 13miles. And taking around a km to eat it completely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6LRRBxJFps
ajap1979 said:
Anyone know when Nike are looking to launch the Tempos?
No launch date yet. "Believe in the Run" said that there now WILL NOT be a Peg Turbo 3. There WILL be a Zoom Fly 4 as well. (Though that may be re-named "Tempo" possibly, maybe, who knows
)
Now 7 mins slower over 10 miles.., a gradual decline over that 30+ years
But looking on the bright side, age graded is better !
ajap1979 said:
RobM77 said:
ajap1979 said:
feef said:
ajap1979 said:
RobM77 said:
I've got my first half marathon this winter (if it happens!). I've never run one - the first time I tried I got a bad knee injury a month before and had to pull out. Ten years later I sorted my gait out to protect the knees, got ready to try again at the same race and it was postponed due to Covid... I run the distance every other Sunday on my long run, but that's at an easy, conversational pace, I've never raced the distance before. Fingers crossed!
I've had some real nightmares running half marathon races. I always seem to overcomplicate my preparation, then have on several occasions over-fuelled during the race, taking on energy drinks and gels and being punished by the resultant sugar slump. Like you, I run them every week without really thinking about it, I really should just do the same on race day.
For half marathons i'm just some porridge in the morning with a coffee, drink an electrolyte drink on the way to race...and have 1 gel at mile 6 in the race! Everyone's different though and some have up to 4 gels etc and others nothing..!
S1KRR said:
ajap1979 said:
Anyone know when Nike are looking to launch the Tempos?
No launch date yet. "Believe in the Run" said that there now WILL NOT be a Peg Turbo 3. There WILL be a Zoom Fly 4 as well. (Though that may be re-named "Tempo" possibly, maybe, who knows
)I've got some Saucony Endorphin Shifts coming tomorrow so I'll see how much I like them.
Does anyone run with bone conductor headphones? I'm thinking about buying some for my wife for her birthday in a couple of weeks. She always listens to music when she runs, but around here we don't have pavements or trails, so need to run on the road, which is obviously rather dangerous if you can't hear cars coming. We don't get many cars, but in 10km I will have a few pass me. I was hoping with the bone headphones she'd be able to hear cars and tractors as well as the music.
RobM77 said:
Does anyone run with bone conductor headphones? I'm thinking about buying some for my wife for her birthday in a couple of weeks. She always listens to music when she runs, but around here we don't have pavements or trails, so need to run on the road, which is obviously rather dangerous if you can't hear cars coming. We don't get many cars, but in 10km I will have a few pass me. I was hoping with the bone headphones she'd be able to hear cars and tractors as well as the music.
No direct experience but a couple of people that I know have recently bought some and they say that they are great and still allow an awareness of their surroundings.smn159 said:
RobM77 said:
Does anyone run with bone conductor headphones? I'm thinking about buying some for my wife for her birthday in a couple of weeks. She always listens to music when she runs, but around here we don't have pavements or trails, so need to run on the road, which is obviously rather dangerous if you can't hear cars coming. We don't get many cars, but in 10km I will have a few pass me. I was hoping with the bone headphones she'd be able to hear cars and tractors as well as the music.
No direct experience but a couple of people that I know have recently bought some and they say that they are great and still allow an awareness of their surroundings.RobM77 said:
Does anyone run with bone conductor headphones? I'm thinking about buying some for my wife for her birthday in a couple of weeks. She always listens to music when she runs, but around here we don't have pavements or trails, so need to run on the road, which is obviously rather dangerous if you can't hear cars coming. We don't get many cars, but in 10km I will have a few pass me. I was hoping with the bone headphones she'd be able to hear cars and tractors as well as the music.
I have a set of Aftershokz Air and I think they are brilliant. The music sounds far better than I would have believed, but that was obviously not the main point of them. I can confirm that you can hear your surroundings perfectly.I also have a set of Airpod Pro's, and I much prefer the Aftershokz for running in, even compared to the Airpods in 'transparency' mode.
My Aftershokz's recently failed, and despite having the Airpods I still wanted another set of Aftershokz. As it turns out they have a two year warranty and the customer service is brilliant so I didn't need to pay to replace them. I would have happily done so though.
Paul_M3 said:
RobM77 said:
Does anyone run with bone conductor headphones? I'm thinking about buying some for my wife for her birthday in a couple of weeks. She always listens to music when she runs, but around here we don't have pavements or trails, so need to run on the road, which is obviously rather dangerous if you can't hear cars coming. We don't get many cars, but in 10km I will have a few pass me. I was hoping with the bone headphones she'd be able to hear cars and tractors as well as the music.
I have a set of Aftershokz Air and I think they are brilliant. The music sounds far better than I would have believed, but that was obviously not the main point of them. I can confirm that you can hear your surroundings perfectly.I also have a set of Airpod Pro's, and I much prefer the Aftershokz for running in, even compared to the Airpods in 'transparency' mode.
My Aftershokz's recently failed, and despite having the Airpods I still wanted another set of Aftershokz. As it turns out they have a two year warranty and the customer service is brilliant so I didn't need to pay to replace them. I would have happily done so though.
https://www.runnersneed.com/p/aftershokz-aftershok...
I'll order them later
RobM77 said:
Thanks. I was going to buy the latest Aftershokz model, the Aeropex, as apparently they're only 26g, which sounds amazing.
https://www.runnersneed.com/p/aftershokz-aftershok...
I'll order them later
Rob, Can you let me know your thoughts on these - sound quality etc. I current use Powerbeats Pro - which are absolutely fantastic but not the safest when out running on roads etc https://www.runnersneed.com/p/aftershokz-aftershok...
I'll order them later
Candellara said:
RobM77 said:
Thanks. I was going to buy the latest Aftershokz model, the Aeropex, as apparently they're only 26g, which sounds amazing.
https://www.runnersneed.com/p/aftershokz-aftershok...
I'll order them later
Rob, Can you let me know your thoughts on these - sound quality etc. I current use Powerbeats Pro - which are absolutely fantastic but not the safest when out running on roads etc https://www.runnersneed.com/p/aftershokz-aftershok...
I'll order them later
First run in the Saucony Endorphin Shift, a very enjoyable 10 miles, and I’m just going to come straight out with it, they’re brilliant. I’ve been eager to try a shoe from the Endorphin line up, and the Shift sounded like it would meet my requirement for an easy/long run shoe. First impressions are that it is extremely versatile. I quickly got into a rhythm with them, mixing up the pace, and just generally really enjoying the ride. They’re actually reasonably firm considering the stack height, which is a good thing in my opinion. My men’s size 9 weigh 306g, quite heavy, but the Speedroll technology (basically a forefoot rocker) does a great job of propelling your foot through your stride, so they really don’t feel heavy at all. Overall I’m massively impressed and I’m sure these are going to soak up the miles.
Question to any of the early morning long runners
Generally I'll do my long run Saturday afternoon/evening. Fits better around my life/schedule. But for the next few weeks I'm going to have to shift it to Sunday morning. In the past I've always suffered from various GI "distress" (indigestion or the other end!
) so I have to be careful around timing food intakes in relation to running. Probably need a good 3-4 hours between eating and running. So running evenings works well once I've eaten at lunchtime. (It's what I do during the week anyway)
In the distant past, if I've had to train Sunday morning, I try to carb load a bit the night before. Get as much sleep as possible and then train in a "fasted state" Usually taking a sports drink and some gels with me. But that's always been a bit hit n miss in terms of how I feel or perform. I'm not convinced this is the best way to run 25k upwards! No one runs a half on no food! And today was no exception. By 4k I was already feeling hungry and with no energy. And at 7k I stopped the watch and walked home.
To try and solve this. I guess I have 3 options
1) Get up 2-3 hours ahead of my run and have a very light breakfast. Just to stop the empty feeling. Prob cereal. But I've heard various options including those porridge pots that you add hot water to, or bananas or Toast or even a Bagel. FYI I like Coffee, but it tends to exacerbate the problem so I'm not convinced a coffee before running is the answer.
2) Persevere with the fasted/drink option and hope my body adapts
3) Listen to the good people of the PH Running thread and see what they do
Sooo…..
In other Running stuff NN Running have been uploading videos on their YouTube channel
Speed Training
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B94WMAwZNg
I think I need to do more track work!
Long Run Training
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeN1FeJIygQ
Speeds even in the long runs are mental! 2:50per KM!
Generally I'll do my long run Saturday afternoon/evening. Fits better around my life/schedule. But for the next few weeks I'm going to have to shift it to Sunday morning. In the past I've always suffered from various GI "distress" (indigestion or the other end!
) so I have to be careful around timing food intakes in relation to running. Probably need a good 3-4 hours between eating and running. So running evenings works well once I've eaten at lunchtime. (It's what I do during the week anyway) In the distant past, if I've had to train Sunday morning, I try to carb load a bit the night before. Get as much sleep as possible and then train in a "fasted state" Usually taking a sports drink and some gels with me. But that's always been a bit hit n miss in terms of how I feel or perform. I'm not convinced this is the best way to run 25k upwards! No one runs a half on no food! And today was no exception. By 4k I was already feeling hungry and with no energy. And at 7k I stopped the watch and walked home.
To try and solve this. I guess I have 3 options
1) Get up 2-3 hours ahead of my run and have a very light breakfast. Just to stop the empty feeling. Prob cereal. But I've heard various options including those porridge pots that you add hot water to, or bananas or Toast or even a Bagel. FYI I like Coffee, but it tends to exacerbate the problem so I'm not convinced a coffee before running is the answer.
2) Persevere with the fasted/drink option and hope my body adapts
3) Listen to the good people of the PH Running thread and see what they do
Sooo…..
In other Running stuff NN Running have been uploading videos on their YouTube channel
Speed Training
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B94WMAwZNg
I think I need to do more track work!
Long Run Training
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeN1FeJIygQ
Speeds even in the long runs are mental! 2:50per KM!
Mornings are definitely favourite for me. I like to get up early, muesli, and apple / banana and 2 cups of tea for breakfast and then I'm good. I can run within 20-30 minutes of eating. I don't take food or water unless I'm running for >90 minutes, in which case it's whatever energy bar I have in the cupboard that I can fit into a flip belt, or a gel as a last resort.
Lunchtimes are not too bad, but I really don't like running in the evenings if I can avoid it.
Lunchtimes are not too bad, but I really don't like running in the evenings if I can avoid it.
S1KRR said:
2) Persevere with the fasted/drink option and hope my body adapts
It's perfectly possible, I do the majority of my running this way, including long runs. Anything up to 2 hours (16-18 miles typically) I'll not bother with taking anything on the run, sometimes perhaps a gel.I'll have a coffee beforehand, maybe a pint of water if I've had a couple of beers the night before.
In the past I’ve always done my Sunday morning long run on just two eggs. The protein makes you feel full and staves off hunger problems, plus I’ve heard it can help eliminate muscle loss through exercising fasted. Your body will adapt - I used to be terrible with food, unable to go more than a couple of hours without eating, but the fasted long runs really helped me - transformed would be a better word.
Recently I’ve started to eat before my long runs, as I’m aware I don’t run as well fasted as I do fuelled, so not getting as much training benefit beyond the obvious nutritional ones, and my long runs are getting quite long now. I’ve just kept things light, avoided high fibre - the usual things. I eat as soon as I get up then warm up in a relaxed way, clean my teeth etc, and head out about 45 minutes after my light breakfast.
I do always drink on a long run though. I take a Camelbak, and on a day like today I’ll get through 600-700ml in 1hr40min (I should take more in fact). I don’t sweat much compared to the average person, but I get seriously dehydrated if I don’t do this - brown pee, the lot! Medically, drinking water on runs over an hour is highly recommended. It’s really not good for you to run for that length of time without a drink.
Recently I’ve started to eat before my long runs, as I’m aware I don’t run as well fasted as I do fuelled, so not getting as much training benefit beyond the obvious nutritional ones, and my long runs are getting quite long now. I’ve just kept things light, avoided high fibre - the usual things. I eat as soon as I get up then warm up in a relaxed way, clean my teeth etc, and head out about 45 minutes after my light breakfast.
I do always drink on a long run though. I take a Camelbak, and on a day like today I’ll get through 600-700ml in 1hr40min (I should take more in fact). I don’t sweat much compared to the average person, but I get seriously dehydrated if I don’t do this - brown pee, the lot! Medically, drinking water on runs over an hour is highly recommended. It’s really not good for you to run for that length of time without a drink.
Edited by RobM77 on Sunday 12th July 20:51
I think you're going to have to find what works for you. Coffee and high fiber cereal with some dried fruit works for me for an early 20k.
I leave about 20 mins from eating to running, and stick a gel in my pocket just in case I slump, but very seldom use it.
I always used to 2 or 3 gels in a HM, but having run without so often, don't feel the need anymore.
I leave about 20 mins from eating to running, and stick a gel in my pocket just in case I slump, but very seldom use it.
I always used to 2 or 3 gels in a HM, but having run without so often, don't feel the need anymore.
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