The Running Thread Vol 2

[tenohfive]

wiggy001 said:

tenohfive said:

Anyone got any views or experience of the Tom Tom Runner Cardio? I'm looking for a GPS watch with HRM and Amazon have it for £100 which seems pretty reasonable. Open to alternatives too though in the same price range.

I ordered the TomTom Runner Cardio with Music last night... will let you know my thoughts when it arrives if you've not already taken the plunge.

I haven't yet, be interested to hear how you get on with it. But I'm starting to eye up the Runner 2 Cardio; it's an extra £30, but I've not quite worked out what's different. And the music thing I'm umming and aaarring about - I like to have my mobile so I'm contactable, so don't really need it - but I'll pay the extra for it if it actually works properly.

Smitters said:

Ha! Aside from the extra couple of miles we tacked on by parking away from the traditional start to avoid the event guys, we were nowhere close. 3.40 in the end.

Were you LB or CF?

[Smitters]

tenohfive said:

Were you LB or CF?

Technically, CF, but not part of the event. We ran E-W-E, against the flow. Had it planned for months, then discovered there was a race on three days before! Saw the lead LB as he was coming down Jacob's Ladder, met the CF field on the lower slopes of PYF and at the stream and were catching CF and LB folk by the time we were coming down Jacob's Ladder. Worryingly, we were in much better shape going down the Roman Road than some, and we were on a return leg! Some folks were in for a tough time as I think it's harder East to West, so we had the easier leg on the way back.

[onedsla]

cwis said:

If you've never run in zone two it makes sense that you're not going to be very fast in it. I can't give you any meaningful numbers though - your slow is my fast!

Onedsla - how slow was your 70% pace when you started doing it? And compared to now?

I haven't always recorded HR in my log - the first time I started jotting it down 138bpm was typically giving me 7 minute miles around a flat Bushy Park.

From my first few runs after breaking my foot in July, I can see 7:36 pace needed 151bpm! Shortly after the battery died and I never bothered to replace. That was 12 weeks ago, so hopefully things have improved since!

[Rich_W]

egor110 said:

I'm training for a half marathon in april.

The plan i'm following has 3 runs but also has strength training twice a week.

Can i use a rowing machine on the hard setting as strength training?

The gym i use is part of a public school , the free weights section is always busy whereas i could pretty much guarantee to get on the rower or the weight machines like leg extension/press, again there's a squat rack but that's going to hard to get on.

I'm no expert. But why so much strength training? Why not 5 runs a week and 1 session of ST.

I'm assuming ST is Lunges, Squats, Wood chops, Bridge, Plank, Stuff with a Medicine Ball, stuff for your glutes etc

[Willy Nilly]

a surprise 5k time trial on Monday (it was in the diary, but I forgot) and managed 18:14 coughing all the way. Pilates last night and a Kenyan hill session tonight. Knackered now.

[ewenm]

I'm doing a 10mile fell/trail race on Saturday in aid of the Cumbria Flood appeal. Looking forward to getting out on the hills in the snow (hopefully!). Anyone else doing it or any of the other activities?

http://www.granddayoutcumbria.org.uk/event/a-grand...

[tenohfive]

ewenm said:

I'm doing a 10mile fell/trail race on Saturday in aid of the Cumbria Flood appeal. Looking forward to getting out on the hills in the snow (hopefully!). Anyone else doing it or any of the other activities?

http://www.granddayoutcumbria.org.uk/event/a-grand...

That looks like a decent run, should have some cracking views over Ullswater at the turnaround point.

[Jordan210]

Pretty gutted as had to defer my entry in the marathon. After getting rear ended last year my back gets stiff after a few miles and had killed my training to top it all off I then managed to crack my toe resulting in an ingrowing toe nail.

Hopefully now i have over a year to retrain i should be able to get in much better shape and be fully prepared for it.


Im also looking at getting a TomTom Runner 2 cardio. Seen price range from £110 to £149 gutted i missed it when it was £110 for the cardio version,

Cheapish atm is £125 from sweatshop with code 9100000000671

[tenohfive]

Jordan210 said:

Im also looking at getting a TomTom Runner 2 cardio. Seen price range from £110 to £149 gutted i missed it when it was £110 for the cardio version,

Cheapish atm is £125 from sweatshop with code 9100000000671

£110 for the Cardio looks great, but £125 still looks pretty reasonable. That code brings the version with HRM and Music down to £155. Mixed reviews on the music side mind.
And I'm a bit wary - the Sweatshop website refers to it as One Size, but everywhere else makes a point of pointing out that they do Large and Small strap sizes.

I'm having a bit of a recovery after a decent race recently in which I ran a chunk further than I've done before. Looking forward to getting out for a gentle run next week, especially if the temps stay low - I've missed running in decent crisp weather.

[Jordan210]

tenohfive said:

£110 for the Cardio looks great, but £125 still looks pretty reasonable. That code brings the version with HRM and Music down to £155. Mixed reviews on the music side mind.
And I'm a bit wary - the Sweatshop website refers to it as One Size, but everywhere else makes a point of pointing out that they do Large and Small strap sizes.

I'm having a bit of a recovery after a decent race recently in which I ran a chunk further than I've done before. Looking forward to getting out for a gentle run next week, especially if the temps stay low - I've missed running in decent crisp weather.

My guess is you will get the large version for the cardio looking at the image.

They are owned by Sports direct so could explain a few things !

[wiggy001]

tenohfive said:

£110 for the Cardio looks great, but £125 still looks pretty reasonable. That code brings the version with HRM and Music down to £155. Mixed reviews on the music side mind.
And I'm a bit wary - the Sweatshop website refers to it as One Size, but everywhere else makes a point of pointing out that they do Large and Small strap sizes.

That is a good price - I've just paid £167 for the Runner 2 Cardio and Music from Amazon (Amazon is the seller). But that was because I had a £100 Amazon gift card from work burning a hole in my pocket. Should be arriving Sunday.

Edited by wiggy001 on Friday 15th January 10:29

[naturals]

wiggy001 said:

That is a good price - I've just paid £167 for the Runner 2 Cardio and Music from Amazon (Amazon is the seller). But that was because I had a £100 Amazon gift card from work burning a whole in my pocket. Should be arriving Sunday.

They come up on eBay cheap from time to time. I got my first Runner Cardio for £60 delivered and just bought one for the OH for £57 (albeit a recon).

[Dr Murdoch]

Hello again chaps

Getting back into it again after a few months off for various reasons, most of which are boring.

Ive picked up Nell McAndrews book, and thought about doing one of the half mara plans. However, I need someone to translate the following because I haven't a clue...

Day ?? - Interval training

1 mile warm up
8 x 3 min (what does that mean?) with 2 min recovery
1 mile warm down

or

Day ?? - Interval training

1 mile warm up
2 x 10 min (again this part, no distance or pace specified) with 5 min recovery
1 mile warm down

Enjoying the read though, seems like a good book.

[johnwilliams77]

Dr Murdoch said:

Hello again chaps

Getting back into it again after a few months off for various reasons, most of which are boring.

Ive picked up Nell McAndrews book, and thought about doing one of the half mara plans. However, I need someone to translate the following because I haven't a clue...

Day ?? - Interval training

1 mile warm up
8 x 3 min (what does that mean?) with 2 min recovery
1 mile warm down

or

Day ?? - Interval training

1 mile warm up
2 x 10 min (again this part, no distance or pace specified) with 5 min recovery
1 mile warm down

Enjoying the read though, seems like a good book.

I think it means run 8 times for 3mins with 2min rest in between

Pace is up to you, what you are comfortable with. Run at a pace you can still talk.

[egor110]

Rich_W said:

egor110 said:

I'm training for a half marathon in april.

The plan i'm following has 3 runs but also has strength training twice a week.

Can i use a rowing machine on the hard setting as strength training?

The gym i use is part of a public school , the free weights section is always busy whereas i could pretty much guarantee to get on the rower or the weight machines like leg extension/press, again there's a squat rack but that's going to hard to get on.

I'm no expert. But why so much strength training? Why not 5 runs a week and 1 session of ST.

I'm assuming ST is Lunges, Squats, Wood chops, Bridge, Plank, Stuff with a Medicine Ball, stuff for your glutes etc

It's what the plan states (Hal Higson)

I haven't done a half or even run properly since 2009, I never did a plan just did what ever mileage the running club and was frequently injured.

Fast forward to now and I'm near as damm it 4 stone heavier so think it would be wise to follow a plan and gradually up the mileage.

[Dr Murdoch]

johnwilliams77 said:

I think it means run 8 times for 3mins with 2min rest in between

Pace is up to you, what you are comfortable with. Run at a pace you can still talk.

Thanks, but this is towards the end of the schedule, so 12, 13, 15 mile runs are being completed. What use will 3 lots of gentle runs do?

Hope this doesn't come across as argumentative

[ewenm]

johnwilliams77 said:

I think it means run 8 times for 3mins with 2min rest in between

Pace is up to you, what you are comfortable with. Run at a pace you can still talk.

In intervals, the efforts should be hard, so no talking! The idea is to do a pace where you can only just hit it for the last one.

The syntax is correct though, 8 by 3mins with 2mins recovery means run hard for 3 mins, jog/walk for 2 mins, repeat 8 times.

[johnwilliams77]

ewenm said:

In intervals, the efforts should be hard, so no talking! The idea is to do a pace where you can only just hit it for the last one.

The syntax is correct though, 8 by 3mins with 2mins recovery means run hard for 3 mins, jog/walk for 2 mins, repeat 8 times.

Sorry, yes, good point! No talking!

[Dr Murdoch]

ewenm said:

In intervals, the efforts should be hard, so no talking! The idea is to do a pace where you can only just hit it for the last one.

The syntax is correct though, 8 by 3mins with 2mins recovery means run hard for 3 mins, jog/walk for 2 mins, repeat 8 times.

Cheers Ewen

So 5k pace as a starter, and increase / decrease pace accordingly, depending on stamina?

[Rich_W]

Dr Murdoch said:

Thanks, but this is towards the end of the schedule, so 12, 13, 15 mile runs are being completed. What use will 3 lots of gentle runs do?

Hope this doesn't come across as argumentative

Why is a Half mara plan asking you to do 15 mile runs? Especially since you sound like a beginner given you aren't familiar with Interval training. (Does it actually specify intensity for the intervals?)

WRT to "what use will gentle runs be" Well not every run should be hard. Some will be hard, some easy. It's all about the mix of sessions.

egor110 said:

It's what the plan states (Hal Higson)

I haven't done a half or even run properly since 2009, I never did a plan just did what ever mileage the running club and was frequently injured.

Fast forward to now and I'm near as damm it 4 stone heavier so think it would be wise to follow a plan and gradually up the mileage.

I can't comment on the plan specifically. I went through a phase (few yeas back) of 2 S&C sessions a week and honestly I don't think it helped all that much. Once a week. Probably a bit, but twice is just something other than a Run imo. Nowadays No S&C at all. And whisper it, I rarely stretch either