The Running Thread Vol 2

[rastapasta]

fiatpower said:

fiatpower said:

Race to the Stones 100km for me this weekend. Training had going well up to about a month ago when I hurt my hip, lots of physio and chiropractor fees later and its still a bit sore so will have to see how I get on.

I also have the added pressure of having tickets to Sunday's final so i've got to finish in a decent time and without dying or ending up in hospital

Well I survived the race! Just finished in daylight with a time of 13:43 (running time of 12:53). My previous pb at this race was 15:35 (running time of 14:33) so a decent improvement. The hip I had hurt was absolutely fine, however the other one wasn’t! I reckon I have a sub 12 finish in me if I was to stay uninsured during the race.

Now to hobble very gingerly around London for the football!

Chapeau!!! fantastic. sorry the football didn't go your way and hope you got home safe.

[Martyn76]

Hi All,

I'm training for a half marathon in September and as my mileage increases (currently @ 7miles) I'm thinking I will need to start taking a drink when out on a run, I have a smallish bottle which is shaped so the hand goes through it and it does the job but is not really comfortable, what do you guys use for drinking on the go, vest with bladders or a water bottle?

[RizzoTheRat]

I have a bum bag that takes 2 small bottles in holders either side of the main compartment which is big enough to take my phone. My wife has a race vest with water bladders which more comfortable to longer use.
I used to stash a bottle under a bush part way round a route I was doing multiple laps of.

This kind of thing https://www.amazon.co.uk/Becko-Lightweight-Durable...

[Martyn76]

RizzoTheRat said:

I have a bum bag that takes 2 small bottles in holders either side of the main compartment which is big enough to take my phone. My wife has a race vest with water bladders which more comfortable to longer use.
I used to stash a bottle under a bush part way round a route I was doing multiple laps of.

This kind of thing https://www.amazon.co.uk/Becko-Lightweight-Durable...

I had something similar before although the bottle was slightly angle and it kept coming out and didn't last a couple of miles before getting binned, do you find it comfortable around your waist (looks bulky?), doesn't move around too much?

[webstercivet]

Martyn76 said:

Hi All,

I'm training for a half marathon in September and as my mileage increases (currently @ 7miles) I'm thinking I will need to start taking a drink when out on a run, I have a smallish bottle which is shaped so the hand goes through it and it does the job but is not really comfortable, what do you guys use for drinking on the go, vest with bladders or a water bottle?

I use a Camelbak Circuit vest, with a 1.5L water pouch (tho I paid £50, not £85!). No complaints re comfort, the adjustable straps let you get a nice snug fit. Decathlon has cheaper copies, but the Camelbak feels well-designed (apart from the pouch cap, which you have to screw on at a weird angle to seal!).

It sits unused most of the year, then for a couple of weeks it's an absolute lifesaver, wouldn't want to run for more than say an hour in 20C heat without it.

[RizzoTheRat]

Martyn76 said:

I had something similar before although the bottle was slightly angle and it kept coming out and didn't last a couple of miles before getting binned, do you find it comfortable around your waist (looks bulky?), doesn't move around too much?

Mine's actually got a thicker pad and strap than the one I linked, and has elastic loops that go over the bottles to hold them in place. I find it fits well but is more comfortable if I only half fill the bottles to reduce the weight as it can bounce a bit otherwise.

I think my wife's vest is a Salomon one, looks a bit like the camelbak linked above, but with soft water bags in the front, and a pocket in the back big enough for a long sleeved top and a waterpoof.

[fiatpower]

rastapasta said:

Chapeau!!! fantastic. sorry the football didn't go your way and hope you got home safe.

Thank you. Shame about the football but the walk around town loosened my legs up alot. Hoping to go for a short run tonight if my quads permit. My feet and legs are in surprisingly good condition considering the distance done. Next ultra is Equinox24 in 9 weeks.

[Piginapoke]

I’ve long since stopped running with water, just drink before I go. It’s heavy and awkward to carry. Best to just plan your route past a shop.

[grumbledoak]

Piginapoke said:

I’ve long since stopped running with water, just drink before I go. It’s heavy and awkward to carry. Best to just plan your route past a shop.

It's a pain in the arse however you try to carry it. You can go without for a while in training, even a half IME, and you'll have water stations in a race.

[RizzoTheRat]

I always amazes me how many people you see carrying water on a parkrun, but I think it's probably related to how far you usually run. If you regularly run 10k you're probably going be fine training without water, but if you're working up to it having only ever run 5k before you might well need it. I'm unfit and out of practice and am really craving a drink my the time I finish a 5k at the moment. I'm lucky though that I live in an area where there tend to be drinking water taps dotted around the countryside as they extract water from the dunes here.

[fiatpower]

grumbledoak said:

It's a pain in the arse however you try to carry it. You can go without for a while in training, even a half IME, and you'll have water stations in a race.

The only instances that I carry water in training are for over half marathon distance or if it's really hot and i'm doing more than an hour. If I do carry it then I have a small ultra backpack which is enough

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

I must admit I tend to carry a 250ml soft flask with me (I use the Inov8 one). Yes, it's irritating but where it's a soft flask it eventually collapses to basically nothing.

I don't tend to use it when it's cold but anything over 7 miles or so I will carry it with me, and I always take drinks with me when doing a session, I just take it with me for the warm up/run to the start point and leave it somewhere
Eg if doing 1km reps I'll be able to drink before the 1st rep, after the 2nd/4th/6th rep etc.

Last Friday I did a long session, it was very hot and left it on top of an arm-height wall and managed to grab it for a quick few sips. Makes a big difference.

For 5-10k races? Not a chance will I carry a drink. HM? Unless it's very hot I won't carry one but I'll take a gel and use the water at the water stations.

At the moment 250ml is just about enough for a 12 mile run without getting too thirsty.

[Challo]

RizzoTheRat said:

I always amazes me how many people you see carrying water on a parkrun, but I think it's probably related to how far you usually run. If you regularly run 10k you're probably going be fine training without water, but if you're working up to it having only ever run 5k before you might well need it. I'm unfit and out of practice and am really craving a drink my the time I finish a 5k at the moment. I'm lucky though that I live in an area where there tend to be drinking water taps dotted around the countryside as they extract water from the dunes here.

Alot of people do it as a comfort blanket. They may not actually need it, but helps them mentally knowing they have it with them.

My friend always carries a hand water bottle with her, although rarely ever needing a sip of water.

[Challo]

Martyn76 said:

Hi All,

I'm training for a half marathon in September and as my mileage increases (currently @ 7miles) I'm thinking I will need to start taking a drink when out on a run, I have a smallish bottle which is shaped so the hand goes through it and it does the job but is not really comfortable, what do you guys use for drinking on the go, vest with bladders or a water bottle?

I bought a cheap water belt from decathlon when I did my marathon training. Was certainly handy on my longer runs, being able to have a sip of water. When I was doing 3 hours + runs I would stop at a shop and fill up the bottles.

Another option is to run loops from your house. You can leave the bottle on the doorstep and just take sips on the return loops.

[Martyn76]

grumbledoak said:

Piginapoke said:

I’ve long since stopped running with water, just drink before I go. It’s heavy and awkward to carry. Best to just plan your route past a shop.

It's a pain in the arse however you try to carry it. You can go without for a while in training, even a half IME, and you'll have water stations in a race.

it's only really for when it is very warm\hot, as I don't seem to operate well in direct sunshine and I always seem to pick a rout e with naff al cover! I generally try to keep myself well hydrated before a run.

[Crasher242]

Martyn76 said:

grumbledoak said:

Piginapoke said:

I’ve long since stopped running with water, just drink before I go. It’s heavy and awkward to carry. Best to just plan your route past a shop.

It's a pain in the arse however you try to carry it. You can go without for a while in training, even a half IME, and you'll have water stations in a race.

it's only really for when it is very warm\hot, as I don't seem to operate well in direct sunshine and I always seem to pick a rout e with naff al cover! I generally try to keep myself well hydrated before a run.

I sweat like a hog when the weather is warm, so tend to carry a soft-flask with me for any run longer than an hour.
I tend to wear a WAA-ULTRA running top which has several stretchy pockets including one on the rear by the lower back - and i find this perfect for a 500mm soft flask.
Anything up to HM distance i may also go with a gel or 2. But since i am currently in training for a marathon, i will get to the point in the next week or so when i will probably break out my backpack.

[wrencho]

Martyn76 said:

Hi All,

I'm training for a half marathon in September and as my mileage increases (currently @ 7miles) I'm thinking I will need to start taking a drink when out on a run, I have a smallish bottle which is shaped so the hand goes through it and it does the job but is not really comfortable, what do you guys use for drinking on the go, vest with bladders or a water bottle?

As others have said carrying a water bottle is a PITA. I've found training without one actually helps in the long run as stuff like that can feel like a crutch. I tend to plan routes that go past known watering locations (cemeteries are always a good shout) up to about 15/16 miles and then when I go 20+ I'll drive out the day before and stash small bottles with a gel taped to it and set intervals.

[Piginapoke]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

You can run a sub 20 min 5K at 60? Chapeau!

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

Well, after all of my "finally feel like I'm getting somewhere" I get another injury

Irritatingly, I had planned on a 5km TT yesterday, felt good after a solid training block, easy run Monday, rest Wednesday, Thursday was just 3x600m at just quicker than 5km pace off a leisurely 2min rest to keep the legs turning over but not induce any fatigue. I got home and my left big toe joint (metatarso-phalangeal joint - the proximal joint, not the distal/end joint) was aching/hurting when walking on the toe-off phase of walking. Friday was feeling a lot better but called the TT off because I knew even if the toe was OK it would have been a stupid idea. This morning I am not sure if it's there or now, if I really bend the toe back purposefully I am not sure if I can feel it a bit or whether I'm imagining it, so it PROBABLY would be OK to try a very short run tomorrow but I've decided to wait until Tuesday to be a bit more sensible.

So a bike ride is in order today.

On the plus side, I took the opportunity to meet my new coach and a few from the group which was great. He has set me my sessions for the coming week but said just do what I can/if I can. I hope to try 3-4 miles Tuesday with some strides, if that is OK then I'll get back to a session on Wednesday. I was on a recovery week this week (bar the planned TT) anyway so providing it's just 4-5 days off then it's really no big deal. I haven't ridden my bike for almost 2 months, so it might feel a bit alien

[trackdemon]

Hoping some of you folks might be able to advise on recovering from injury. I had a bout of achilles tendinitis right hand side last year which just disappeared seemingly overnight after a couple of months, back to running/football I went. Until a month ago, equally out of the blue, flare up of same in left achilles - really painful in the morning gradually loosening up through the day but certainly too sore to contemplating running. I'm hitting the cross trainer as I guess that's good alternate exercise with its lack of impact.

Has anyone experienced similar and found a reliable method of recovering beyond the R&R I was recommended last year? I just want to get back fit and running/playing football again whilst summer is still with us!