The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
wrencho said:
Does anyone have experience of this...or similar....
https://apexrunning.co/events/ultratrailsnowdonia#...
What level of fitness is required?
What level of experience running in the mountains is required?
What kit is required? (type of shoe/walking poles etc)
I'm really tempted to do something off road and not massively dictated by pace and time.
I'm entered for the UTS 50. I think you don't need to be so much fit, as strong, both in the legs and in the mind. You need experience and the right kit in order to be safe on the hills too. There is a mandatory kit list which includes full waterproofs, gloves, hat, base layer (even if it is a hot dry day)https://apexrunning.co/events/ultratrailsnowdonia#...
What level of fitness is required?
What level of experience running in the mountains is required?
What kit is required? (type of shoe/walking poles etc)
I'm really tempted to do something off road and not massively dictated by pace and time.
In terms of preparation.... my run from yesterday... I expect UTS to be every bit as hard
egor110 said:
Smitters said:
egor110 said:
If you did a marathon this weekend then had a 50k start of july how would you train for it ?
Would you start a marathon plan or 50k plan , would you start from scratch again or jump in half way thru ?
Would you do back to backs for 50k or just follow the marathon plan but make the long run nearer full marathon distance?
I'd work backwards from start of taper and forward from after a few weeks of rest (assuming you raced hard). Aim to increase from time of longest run in marathon training up to about 70-80% of expected 50k finish time, focusing on kit, race nutrition and as much relevant terrain as possible. Would you start a marathon plan or 50k plan , would you start from scratch again or jump in half way thru ?
Would you do back to backs for 50k or just follow the marathon plan but make the long run nearer full marathon distance?
Personal choice, but I do 3x per week, so I'd also do 8-13 miles on run 2 easy (with hills if a hilly 50k) and 10k, with the middle 6k at half marathon race pace, wu and cd easy.
In reality, it's only six weeks of training with recovry and taper as bookends, so it's just topping up the endurance.
Terrains not a problem live on quantocks and exmoor nearby and normally in Cornwall for a weekend each month .
ETA, congrats above on the Stroud Trails Ultra. My house is on the map you show and I can't for the life of me figure out the eastern end of the route. I assume you re-ran a portion, or portions.
Smitters said:
ETA, congrats above on the Stroud Trails Ultra. My house is on the map you show and I can't for the life of me figure out the eastern end of the route. I assume you re-ran a portion, or portions.
Loop 1 - Eastern most loop clockwise, Bisley, Daneway / Sapperton back to start at Minchinhampton.Loop 2 - Middle loop counter clockwise (repeating the first three miles of loop 1 up into Toadsmoor woods) and then turning west up to Middle Lypiatt, then back to start via Bowbridge
Loop 3 - Western loop counter clockwise, across common to Amberley, down to Bear Hill, back up to Rodborough Common and down to Stroud, out to Stonehouse on canal, then back via Middleyard and over Selsley common, Woodchester, and back up to Minchinhampton common to finish
Description and GPX .... https://iamoutdoors.co.uk/events/stroud-trail-mara...
Camoradi said:
Loop 1 - Eastern most loop clockwise, Bisley, Daneway / Sapperton back to start at Minchinhampton.
Loop 2 - Middle loop counter clockwise (repeating the first three miles of loop 1 up into Toadsmoor woods) and then turning west up to Middle Lypiatt, then back to start via Bowbridge
Loop 3 - Western loop counter clockwise, across common to Amberley, down to Bear Hill, back up to Rodborough Common and down to Stroud, out to Stonehouse on canal, then back via Middleyard and over Selsley common, Woodchester, and back up to Minchinhampton common to finish
Description and GPX .... https://iamoutdoors.co.uk/events/stroud-trail-mara...
I caved and looked it up - made a lot more sense once I realised it started at Minchinhampton! It's been in Stroud until now. Looks like this has improved the routes for all events as there used to be a massive canal section in the marathon and ultra which was absolute murder - much harder than any of the hills as walking at any point just bled time away. Anyway, congratulations. A beautiful, if scorchio, day for it and the woods would be amazing with wild garlic and bluebells at the mo.Loop 2 - Middle loop counter clockwise (repeating the first three miles of loop 1 up into Toadsmoor woods) and then turning west up to Middle Lypiatt, then back to start via Bowbridge
Loop 3 - Western loop counter clockwise, across common to Amberley, down to Bear Hill, back up to Rodborough Common and down to Stroud, out to Stonehouse on canal, then back via Middleyard and over Selsley common, Woodchester, and back up to Minchinhampton common to finish
Description and GPX .... https://iamoutdoors.co.uk/events/stroud-trail-mara...
Smitters said:
I caved and looked it up - made a lot more sense once I realised it started at Minchinhampton! It's been in Stroud until now. Looks like this has improved the routes for all events as there used to be a massive canal section in the marathon and ultra which was absolute murder - much harder than any of the hills as walking at any point just bled time away. Anyway, congratulations. A beautiful, if scorchio, day for it and the woods would be amazing with wild garlic and bluebells at the mo.
Yes it was a last minute change of venue, but for the better. The canal section sadly is just as long, and it still is absolute murder. It runs from Waitrose all the way to just past Stonehouse Court. By far the worst part of the whole route, despite being slightly downhill.Camoradi said:
Yes it was a last minute change of venue, but for the better. The canal section sadly is just as long, and it still is absolute murder. It runs from Waitrose all the way to just past Stonehouse Court. By far the worst part of the whole route, despite being slightly downhill.
It used to start at least a mile further back! I remember "running" some of it and really looking forward to getting onto the hills again so my walking felt legit!Running the Thorney Island half tomorrow. Off road, nice and flat and all by the sea so should be nice.
I also heard this week that I’ve got a charity place for the London Marathon, running for Brain Research UK.
I’ve not run a full marathon before and don’t plan on it being a regular occurrence so wanted to get this done before I get too old! Anyone got any training tips? I run a half once a week and about 30 miles a week in total.
Perhaps I should buy some Vapor flys like a lot of people I see these days!
I also heard this week that I’ve got a charity place for the London Marathon, running for Brain Research UK.
I’ve not run a full marathon before and don’t plan on it being a regular occurrence so wanted to get this done before I get too old! Anyone got any training tips? I run a half once a week and about 30 miles a week in total.
Perhaps I should buy some Vapor flys like a lot of people I see these days!
Edited by Mistered1234 on Friday 13th May 07:24
Mistered1234 said:
Running the Thorney Island half tomorrow. Off road, nice and flat and all by the sea so should be nice.
I also heard this week that I’ve got a charity place for the London Marathon, running for Brain Research UK.
I’ve not run a full marathon before and don’t plan on it being a regular occurrence so wanted to get this done before I get too old! Anyone got any training tips? I run a half once a week and about 30 miles a week in total.
Perhaps I should buy some Vapor flys like a lot of people I see these days!
Training plans are fairly personal IME and what works for someone else might not work for you. I usually do two weeks of high mileage and then one lower, say 50%. If you can tolerate higher mileage without getting injured I'd say get your long runs up as soon as you can, within the 10% rule, so that you have the maximum time to get used to them. I also heard this week that I’ve got a charity place for the London Marathon, running for Brain Research UK.
I’ve not run a full marathon before and don’t plan on it being a regular occurrence so wanted to get this done before I get too old! Anyone got any training tips? I run a half once a week and about 30 miles a week in total.
Perhaps I should buy some Vapor flys like a lot of people I see these days!
Edited by Mistered1234 on Friday 13th May 07:24
Don't do all of your miles at the same pace!
Mistered1234 said:
Running the Thorney Island half tomorrow. Off road, nice and flat and all by the sea so should be nice.
I also heard this week that I’ve got a charity place for the London Marathon, running for Brain Research UK.
I’ve not run a full marathon before and don’t plan on it being a regular occurrence so wanted to get this done before I get too old! Anyone got any training tips? I run a half once a week and about 30 miles a week in total.
Perhaps I should buy some Vapor flys like a lot of people I see these days!
Take a look at hal higdons plans.I also heard this week that I’ve got a charity place for the London Marathon, running for Brain Research UK.
I’ve not run a full marathon before and don’t plan on it being a regular occurrence so wanted to get this done before I get too old! Anyone got any training tips? I run a half once a week and about 30 miles a week in total.
Perhaps I should buy some Vapor flys like a lot of people I see these days!
Edited by Mistered1234 on Friday 13th May 07:24
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
RizzoTheRat said:
Dammit, the guy who was going to take my Man V Horse relay team place has pulled out. Anyone interested in a 3 person team on 11 June for £81?
No, but I did this a number of years ago, absolutely brilliant event! 
RizzoTheRat said:
Yeah we did it a few of years back and honestly one of the most fun races I've done. Entered again with Mrs solo and me in a relay, but after 2 years of covid postponements one of the relay team can't make the date, my wifes injured, I'm not fit, and it's an 800 mile round trip.
Hi,I'm very interested in this - is it easy/possible to make such a transfer ?
I have done the event a few times, so I know what I'm letting myself in for.
To clarify, this is for a full relay team (each doing c.7.5 miles each) ?
pubrunner said:
RizzoTheRat said:
Yeah we did it a few of years back and honestly one of the most fun races I've done. Entered again with Mrs solo and me in a relay, but after 2 years of covid postponements one of the relay team can't make the date, my wifes injured, I'm not fit, and it's an 800 mile round trip.
Hi,I'm very interested in this - is it easy/possible to make such a transfer ?
I have done the event a few times, so I know what I'm letting myself in for.
To clarify, this is for a full relay team (each doing c.7.5 miles each) ?
Yes it's the full relay for a team of 3, they bus you out to the 2 intermediate start locations, but you do have to hang around for a bit. We just took a bag with the next persons extra clothing in and handed it over along with our own extra clothing a the handover.
Hopefully I'm configured to allow a PM so bung me your e-mail address and we can sort it out of you want to do it.
ETA: I think the e-mail address I use for PH is the one I can't access from work so will check tonight and get back to you
Mistered1234 said:
Running the Thorney Island half tomorrow. Off road, nice and flat and all by the sea so should be nice.
I also heard this week that I’ve got a charity place for the London Marathon, running for Brain Research UK.
I’ve not run a full marathon before and don’t plan on it being a regular occurrence so wanted to get this done before I get too old! Anyone got any training tips? I run a half once a week and about 30 miles a week in total.
Perhaps I should buy some Vapor flys like a lot of people I see these days!
How old are you, what time you aiming for in the half? Which then leads onto what time target for the marathon?I also heard this week that I’ve got a charity place for the London Marathon, running for Brain Research UK.
I’ve not run a full marathon before and don’t plan on it being a regular occurrence so wanted to get this done before I get too old! Anyone got any training tips? I run a half once a week and about 30 miles a week in total.
Perhaps I should buy some Vapor flys like a lot of people I see these days!
Edited by Mistered1234 on Friday 13th May 07:24
Should be easy enough to find a plan which works.
General volume increase, which has been suggested, try not to get injured!
30 miles is quite low volume, unless you are ancient !
Recovery week coming up, just need to make it through a very easy 30mins tomorrow and 11-12M steady run Sunday 
My personal trainer said now I've been doing strength stuff for 8 weeks now I should be good to incorporate some harder stuff but still nothing max. I did a session earlier in the week and today I just did another 10mins approx threshold (6:/14/mile pace), 4x1min hill efforts then 2x30secs efforts. To put effort into perspective I reckon I had about another 3 hills left in me before I'd have started flagging, and the 2x30s.....probably another 4+. Definitely working a bit which felt great, but a fair way from flat out.
Enjoying incorporating some harder stuff again, just want to get back to racing and pushing hard but just too concerned about getting another injury
I've just touched 40 miles since last Saturday, nice to be getting back to semi-decent mileage.
My personal trainer said now I've been doing strength stuff for 8 weeks now I should be good to incorporate some harder stuff but still nothing max. I did a session earlier in the week and today I just did another 10mins approx threshold (6:/14/mile pace), 4x1min hill efforts then 2x30secs efforts. To put effort into perspective I reckon I had about another 3 hills left in me before I'd have started flagging, and the 2x30s.....probably another 4+. Definitely working a bit which felt great, but a fair way from flat out.
Enjoying incorporating some harder stuff again, just want to get back to racing and pushing hard but just too concerned about getting another injury
I've just touched 40 miles since last Saturday, nice to be getting back to semi-decent mileage. 46. Under 2 for the half. Usually 145 for a road/flat upto 2 for a hilly/trail half. Just under 4 is the target.
You think I should be doing much more than 30 per week? I don’t want to overdo it and injure myself!
>How old are you, what time you aiming for in the half? Which then leads onto what time target for the marathon?
>Should be easy enough to find a plan which works.
>General volume increase, which has been suggested, try not to get injured!
>30 miles is quite low volume, unless you are ancient !
You think I should be doing much more than 30 per week? I don’t want to overdo it and injure myself!
>How old are you, what time you aiming for in the half? Which then leads onto what time target for the marathon?
>Should be easy enough to find a plan which works.
>General volume increase, which has been suggested, try not to get injured!
>30 miles is quite low volume, unless you are ancient !
Mistered1234 said:
46. Under 2 for the half. Usually 145 for a road/flat upto 2 for a hilly/trail half. Just under 4 is the target.
You think I should be doing much more than 30 per week? I don’t want to overdo it and injure myself!
>How old are you, what time you aiming for in the half? Which then leads onto what time target for the marathon?
>Should be easy enough to find a plan which works.
>General volume increase, which has been suggested, try not to get injured!
>30 miles is quite low volume, unless you are ancient !
Are you injury prone?You think I should be doing much more than 30 per week? I don’t want to overdo it and injure myself!
>How old are you, what time you aiming for in the half? Which then leads onto what time target for the marathon?
>Should be easy enough to find a plan which works.
>General volume increase, which has been suggested, try not to get injured!
>30 miles is quite low volume, unless you are ancient !
I’m 48 and run between 60-90km week. I have been injury prone but on lower volume, so maybe circumstantial. Strength and conditioning key. Been fine for past 3 years.
Volume is generally the key to getting faster over any distance. But your target of 4 hours is probably doable with lower volume.
Find a schedule that works for you sub 4 hour and take it from there. Good luck!
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