2017 Lions Tour
Discussion
DocJock said:
XCP said:
Why can the ball be put into the scrum as bent as anyone wants, yet the lineout throw ( much harder to do) has to be millimetre perfect?
Time for a bit of consistency methinks.
I regularly post this question on the World Rugby facebook page.Time for a bit of consistency methinks.
Comments have to be approved and it never gets approval.
No reply.
Makes a mockery of scrums.
@brettgosper if you feel the need to vent.
iwantagta said:
XCP said:
Why can the ball be put into the scrum as bent as anyone wants, yet the lineout throw ( much harder to do) has to be millimetre perfect?
Time for a bit of consistency methinks.
The pressures going through the scrum nowadays are simply too much to be able to lift the leg fully and old school "hook". Time for a bit of consistency methinks.
World rugby's view is fully removing the foot from the floor and fully hooking can make the scrum unstable and as such they (& refs) have looked the other way on crooked feeds to try to make the scrums be a restart rather than a 50/50 penalty fest .
To address this they trialed in the u20 world cup having the scrum half putting the ball in with their shoulder aligned to the centre of the scrum rather than the ball.
This means the team who "gained" the scrum then has a genuine legal advantage & meant hooking was possible without neccessarily having to remove the foot from the floor for so long.
Link:
http://www.planetrugby.com/news/world-rugby-to-int...
List of main changes:
Main World Rugby Law Trials (full trials here):
Penalties awarded after time has expired can be kicked to touch and the lineout will be played.
Teams can choose which advantage they want to play if a side infringes on multiple occasions.
Revised points scoring: Six points for a try, two points for a conversion, two points for a penalty.
No conversions after a penalty try, which is automatically worth eight points.
A maul must start to move within five seconds or the ball must be used.
A player who plays the ball while his foot is in touch but before the ball has crossed the plane of the touchline is deemed to have carried the ball into touch.
Scrum changes allowing a scrum-half to stand with his shoulder level with the centre of the scrum, promoting scrum stability.
The introduction of a five-metre line drop-out as an alternative to a five-metre scrum for a defending team.
Edit - here is a link and details of the actual U20 world cup rule changes;
http://www.worldrugby.org/u20/news/252142?lang=en
No signal from referee prior to put-in at scrum
Scrum-half must throw the ball in straight but can align left shoulder with the middle of the tunnel
Allowing the number eight to pick from the feet of the second row
Compulsory striking by the hooker after throw-in to scrum
Tackle only and offside line creation (Tackler, tackled player and at least one player on their feet and over the ball creates the offside line)
A player cannot kick the ball out of the ruck – can only hook it back
Tackler must get up before playing the ball and then can only play from his side of the tackle gate
Edited by iwantagta on Sunday 9th July 10:48
Unfortunately referees are still not enforcing the bold. All scrum halves get away with what they can, but Aaron Smith was putting the ball between the prop and hookers feet most of the time.
Edited by DocJock on Sunday 9th July 11:38
Feeds at scrums was brought up at a 'Rugby for Dummies' evening at Sandy Park last year hosted by Rob Baxter and ex ref Andrew Pearce.
Rob explained that there was so much pressure going through the front rows, that if a hooker was expected to lift a foot to hook a centrally feed ball there was a risk a scrum collapse and serious injury.
Therefore coaches and refs were happy about the crocked feeds we were seeing, if it reduced the risk of injuries to players.
Rob explained that there was so much pressure going through the front rows, that if a hooker was expected to lift a foot to hook a centrally feed ball there was a risk a scrum collapse and serious injury.
Therefore coaches and refs were happy about the crocked feeds we were seeing, if it reduced the risk of injuries to players.
the tribester said:
Feeds at scrums was brought up at a 'Rugby for Dummies' evening at Sandy Park last year hosted by Rob Baxter and ex ref Andrew Pearce.
Rob explained that there was so much pressure going through the front rows, that if a hooker was expected to lift a foot to hook a centrally feed ball there was a risk a scrum collapse and serious injury.
Therefore coaches and refs were happy about the crocked feeds we were seeing, if it reduced the risk of injuries to players.
That may well be so at an elite level. No excuse for not hooking at lower levels though.Rob explained that there was so much pressure going through the front rows, that if a hooker was expected to lift a foot to hook a centrally feed ball there was a risk a scrum collapse and serious injury.
Therefore coaches and refs were happy about the crocked feeds we were seeing, if it reduced the risk of injuries to players.
The Mad Monk said:
Watching the game yesterday at one of my clubs, reminded how grateful I am that I don't pay any money to Sky and have to listen to Stuart Barnes continually stating the blindingly obvious.
He's not great is he....gets royally slagged off by a lot of of his peers who are now pundits. Cheib said:
The Mad Monk said:
Watching the game yesterday at one of my clubs, reminded how grateful I am that I don't pay any money to Sky and have to listen to Stuart Barnes continually stating the blindingly obvious.
He's not great is he....gets royally slagged off by a lot of of his peers who are now pundits. An interesting little documentary about what it takes to beat the All Blacks....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08vlh4b/alfi...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08vlh4b/alfi...
Well, what a mixture of emotions!
I won't repeat what everyone else has said too much, but agree with JD being player of the tour - he has been consistently one of the top centre's in NH rugby for years now and it's that consistency and assurity that is key to his game (apart from THAT kick against England). A top bloke to boot.
Have to give a mention to Warburton, who was in one moment a total hero. Think it was around 70 mins, when the ABs were pressurising in the Lions half, when he took an almight blow to the head, was staggering around as if in the dark - I thought he was literally going to keel over. Yet somehow he managed to find his way back to the defensive line still clutching his head and then still steam-rollered into the first AB receiver.
The skipper literally putting his body on the line. Bravo.
I won't repeat what everyone else has said too much, but agree with JD being player of the tour - he has been consistently one of the top centre's in NH rugby for years now and it's that consistency and assurity that is key to his game (apart from THAT kick against England
). A top bloke to boot.Have to give a mention to Warburton, who was in one moment a total hero. Think it was around 70 mins, when the ABs were pressurising in the Lions half, when he took an almight blow to the head, was staggering around as if in the dark - I thought he was literally going to keel over. Yet somehow he managed to find his way back to the defensive line still clutching his head and then still steam-rollered into the first AB receiver.
The skipper literally putting his body on the line. Bravo.
Sargeant Orange said:
albundy89 said:
Accidental Ha Ha
He caught it ,realised,what a bloody stupid c--t and very quickly dropped it,
Jesus it worked.
Could Owens avoid the contact? Possibly He caught it ,realised,what a bloody stupid c--t and very quickly dropped it,
Jesus it worked.
Did he disadvantage NZ? No
Very much a 50/50 which went the lions way
wsurfa said:
Since the ball actually went backwards, who cares....;)
I think Poite made the right decision personally based on the fact there was a chain of events that subjectively should have been resolved by a more neutral advantage to NZ i.e. a scrum.a) Read arguably took Williams out in there air, although didn't lead with his arms to the man but it looked liek he was challenging for the ball - Lions pen;
b) Williams knocked on due to the challenge - NZ scrum;
c) Owens offside - NZ pen.
Take all those events happening in real-time across 10 seconds and in the spirit of the game (where "accidental" offside is pretty harsh in situations like that) I think the decision was fair.
My less measured response would be that Read was ahead of Barrett at the restart and that Poite was making up for wrongly penalising Warburton for a perfect steal in the first half.
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