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I`m with you CF, perhaps because I too am ancient.
I took a look at Gareth Edwards` try against the All Blacks. Perhaps the greatest ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwCbG4I0QyA ( Note the NZ neck tackles ...)
He got a faint pat on the back.
On Saturday winning a scrum led to rejoicing & hugging as if they had saved the world from disaster.
All the poncing about at the point of scoring is just cringeworthy & somewhat disrespectful to the opposition. You might be right that it`s imported from footy. Ought to be stamped out by the clubs.
PS it was a shoulder charge & the impact flung his loose arm forwards thus giving the impression of a `wrap`.
I took a look at Gareth Edwards` try against the All Blacks. Perhaps the greatest ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwCbG4I0QyA ( Note the NZ neck tackles ...)
He got a faint pat on the back.
On Saturday winning a scrum led to rejoicing & hugging as if they had saved the world from disaster.
All the poncing about at the point of scoring is just cringeworthy & somewhat disrespectful to the opposition. You might be right that it`s imported from footy. Ought to be stamped out by the clubs.
PS it was a shoulder charge & the impact flung his loose arm forwards thus giving the impression of a `wrap`.
CardinalFang said:
mr pg said:
So you'd rather we not use one of the best finishers of recent years not be used? Proven try scorer at the highest levels. Would seem a waste to me, but as a Sarries season ticket holder what would I know?
Yup - sorry an all that but a message needs to be sent, that the kind of showbiz self aggrandisement (dipping, swan dives, stupid bloody hand gestures) is for football. Ok, I'm staggeringly old but back when all this was fields, an awkward manly handshake was sufficient.Joking aside, It makes me cringe. No problem if someone wants to thank their god - a long established tradition in the South Seas etc. Fully recognise Ashtons finishing talent, but I'd rather do without the "afters", in the same way I'd rather watch England lose with flair and Stuart Barnes than win with Rob Andrew.
CF
On a slightly related matter, and taking in to account all the "rugby is going soft" debate, I caught a bit of a documentary about Bobby Moore yesterday.
Whenever I see any football at the moment (most recently with my two lads watching the the World Cup) it just strikes me as intensely (and almost intenionally?) dull. It basically comes over as three blokes kicking a ball about in the middle of a field, with nobody ever trying to actually tackle or anything, as they're afraid of conceding a foul to the histrionic acting of their opponent. If football was still played like some of the footage they were showing from the Sixties and Seventies, I might well actually watch it!
Much as I don't want to see players getting long term health issues from concussion and the like, I desperately hope that rugby doesn't go the same way as football.
julianm said:
I`m with you CF, perhaps because I too am ancient.
I took a look at Gareth Edwards` try against the All Blacks. Perhaps the greatest ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwCbG4I0QyA ( Note the NZ neck tackles ...)
He got a faint pat on the back.
On Saturday winning a scrum led to rejoicing & hugging as if they had saved the world from disaster.
All the poncing about at the point of scoring is just cringeworthy & somewhat disrespectful to the opposition. You might be right that it`s imported from footy. Ought to be stamped out by the clubs.
PS it was a shoulder charge & the impact flung his loose arm forwards thus giving the impression of a `wrap`.
TBH I'd rather see the 'Ash splash than the general whooping, high fiving and assorted other shenanigans that goes on nearly every bloody scrum, maul & ruck -I took a look at Gareth Edwards` try against the All Blacks. Perhaps the greatest ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwCbG4I0QyA ( Note the NZ neck tackles ...)
He got a faint pat on the back.
On Saturday winning a scrum led to rejoicing & hugging as if they had saved the world from disaster.
All the poncing about at the point of scoring is just cringeworthy & somewhat disrespectful to the opposition. You might be right that it`s imported from footy. Ought to be stamped out by the clubs.
PS it was a shoulder charge & the impact flung his loose arm forwards thus giving the impression of a `wrap`.
Itoje especially (ok none of it would be better still but...)
irocfan said:
TBH I'd rather see the 'Ash splash than the general whooping, high fiving and assorted other shenanigans that goes on nearly every bloody scrum, maul & ruck -
Itoje especially (ok none of it would be better still but...)
Oooh, that's a tough choice...as you say though, answer c) None of the above, would get my vote.Itoje especially (ok none of it would be better still but...)
CF
irocfan said:
julianm said:
I`m with you CF, perhaps because I too am ancient.
I took a look at Gareth Edwards` try against the All Blacks. Perhaps the greatest ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwCbG4I0QyA ( Note the NZ neck tackles ...)
He got a faint pat on the back.
On Saturday winning a scrum led to rejoicing & hugging as if they had saved the world from disaster.
All the poncing about at the point of scoring is just cringeworthy & somewhat disrespectful to the opposition. You might be right that it`s imported from footy. Ought to be stamped out by the clubs.
PS it was a shoulder charge & the impact flung his loose arm forwards thus giving the impression of a `wrap`.
TBH I'd rather see the 'Ash splash than the general whooping, high fiving and assorted other shenanigans that goes on nearly every bloody scrum, maul & ruck -I took a look at Gareth Edwards` try against the All Blacks. Perhaps the greatest ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwCbG4I0QyA ( Note the NZ neck tackles ...)
He got a faint pat on the back.
On Saturday winning a scrum led to rejoicing & hugging as if they had saved the world from disaster.
All the poncing about at the point of scoring is just cringeworthy & somewhat disrespectful to the opposition. You might be right that it`s imported from footy. Ought to be stamped out by the clubs.
PS it was a shoulder charge & the impact flung his loose arm forwards thus giving the impression of a `wrap`.
Itoje especially (ok none of it would be better still but...)
When asked in a post-match interview what was going through his mind at that point, Martin Johnson famously replied with "mostly my spine"!
Kermit power said:
It's a recent phenomenon as well. Take a look at England beating NZ in New Zealand in 2003 and skip to about 62 minutes in to the video. England famously hold the All Black scrum out on their own line with Back and Dallaglio in the bin, ultimately pick up a penalty of their own and clear their lines, arguably winning the match in that moment.... Not so much as a single whoop or pat on the back, they just got on with the match.
When asked in a post-match interview what was going through his mind at that point, Martin Johnson famously replied with "mostly my spine"!
Can't remember who the quote came from, but someone said they asked "what's the plan Jonno?" & he said "just bend down & push as hard as you can"....a man of few wordsWhen asked in a post-match interview what was going through his mind at that point, Martin Johnson famously replied with "mostly my spine"!
irocfan said:
nowhere else to put it so I'll chuck it here....
just watched Shoulder to Shoulder - Drico looks at the united Ireland team and explores the sectarian side of things. Very interesting
Apart from the bit where he was at an orange parade for no apparent reason other than to make himself feel uncomfortable even though everyone seemed happy to see him, the rest was interesting.just watched Shoulder to Shoulder - Drico looks at the united Ireland team and explores the sectarian side of things. Very interesting
ooo000ooo said:
irocfan said:
nowhere else to put it so I'll chuck it here....
just watched Shoulder to Shoulder - Drico looks at the united Ireland team and explores the sectarian side of things. Very interesting
Apart from the bit where he was at an orange parade for no apparent reason other than to make himself feel uncomfortable even though everyone seemed happy to see him, the rest was interesting.just watched Shoulder to Shoulder - Drico looks at the united Ireland team and explores the sectarian side of things. Very interesting
Ashamed to admit that I'd never twigged, why there was only 1 rugby & 2 football teams. Talking to an Irish catholic mate over the weekend about the programme, he did suggest that the rugby team would've been mostly protestant/north, given that it was predominantly a middle class pastime in amateur days, a bit like it used to be over here.
CF
CardinalFang said:
Ashamed to admit that I'd never twigged, why there was only 1 rugby & 2 football teams. Talking to an Irish catholic mate over the weekend about the programme, he did suggest that the rugby team would've been mostly protestant/north, given that it was predominantly a middle class pastime in amateur days, a bit like it used to be over here.
CF
I think your friend is miles off the mark there!!!!CF
Firstly, the IRFU was set up in 1875, so predates the existence of the North and the Republic by near enough 50 years.
Secondly, is he really suggesting all the middle classes of Ireland are in the North? Go and take a look at some of the famous rugby-player producing private schools there - Blackrock, Clongowes, Belvedere and more. Very middle class!!
If you look at the ten most capped Ireland players of all time, only Rory Best was actually born in the North. Six were born in the Republic, one in California (before moving back to the republic aged 6 months), one in Israel (Father serving there with the Irish Army), and one in Chelmsford. Of the top 5 scorers, also only one from the North.
Kermit power said:
I think your friend is miles off the mark there!!!!
Firstly, the IRFU was set up in 1875, so predates the existence of the North and the Republic by near enough 50 years.
Secondly, is he really suggesting all the middle classes of Ireland are in the North? Go and take a look at some of the famous rugby-player producing private schools there - Blackrock, Clongowes, Belvedere and more. Very middle class!!
If you look at the ten most capped Ireland players of all time, only Rory Best was actually born in the North. Six were born in the Republic, one in California (before moving back to the republic aged 6 months), one in Israel (Father serving there with the Irish Army), and one in Chelmsford. Of the top 5 scorers, also only one from the North.
Aha - that's me told! He's generally more informed than I am on Irish issues, so I assumed he knew best. TBH - 1) he's born here, of Irish parents & 2) supports Charlton Athletic, so I should've known better! Firstly, the IRFU was set up in 1875, so predates the existence of the North and the Republic by near enough 50 years.
Secondly, is he really suggesting all the middle classes of Ireland are in the North? Go and take a look at some of the famous rugby-player producing private schools there - Blackrock, Clongowes, Belvedere and more. Very middle class!!
If you look at the ten most capped Ireland players of all time, only Rory Best was actually born in the North. Six were born in the Republic, one in California (before moving back to the republic aged 6 months), one in Israel (Father serving there with the Irish Army), and one in Chelmsford. Of the top 5 scorers, also only one from the North.
Rugby in Ireland is historically centred around Munster and Dublin. The former came out of the English military bases around the cities, principally Limerick, but Cork as well, down there and working class to its very bones. The middle classes certinaly held sway in Dublin, university/college type teams etc, the same as is/was the case in Ulster.
Anyway back to the Internationals. Apart from Ireland I think there’s going to be a strong showing from the Southern Hemisphere lot today. Anyone else thing otherwise? I’d love to see England give the ABs a decent game, but just suspect they want to put down a marker.
Anyway back to the Internationals. Apart from Ireland I think there’s going to be a strong showing from the Southern Hemisphere lot today. Anyone else thing otherwise? I’d love to see England give the ABs a decent game, but just suspect they want to put down a marker.
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