General rugby thread

General rugby thread

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DocJock

8,359 posts

241 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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You are misunderstanding.

There is no conversion because a penalty try now includes the two points for the conversion making it a seven point penalty.

iwantagta

1,323 posts

146 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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NZ vs Samoa on Sky now.
NZ running away with it but Samoa doing a fine butchering job on a few opportunities.

DocJock

8,359 posts

241 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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My preference would be for all tries to be 7 points.

Why should a lucky interception be worth more than a beautifully constructed score in the corner where the kicker fails to convert?

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

118 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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Kermit power said:
hornetrider said:
TheGreatSoprendo said:
Tonga 6 Wales 24

"There's no conversion for a penalty try anymore". When did that law change??
When they introduced the other changes. Makes sense to me seeing as it's always in front of the sticks.
It doesn't make sense to me. confused

How long will it be before we see a high profile game with the attacking team down by 6 camped on the opposition's line with the clock in the red?

With this law change, surely the defending team can just deliberately infringe at will, safe in the knowledge that they're only conceding 5 points, not giving the opposition a shot at the 7 they need to win?
No.

Penalty try now means 7 points automatically.

Kermit power

28,679 posts

214 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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DocJock said:
You are misunderstanding.

There is no conversion because a penalty try now includes the two points for the conversion making it a seven point penalty.
Ah, thanks. That makes much more sense. smile

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

153 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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DocJock said:
My preference would be for all tries to be 7 points.

Why should a lucky interception be worth more than a beautifully constructed score in the corner where the kicker fails to convert?
Because the game rewards getting the ball over the line. That is the object.

It's not about awarding effort and craft.

More often than not that is what is required to get the ball over the line.

But that doesn't make it the aim of the game. There are no style points.

Kermit power

28,679 posts

214 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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Vocal Minority said:
DocJock said:
My preference would be for all tries to be 7 points.

Why should a lucky interception be worth more than a beautifully constructed score in the corner where the kicker fails to convert?
Because the game rewards getting the ball over the line. That is the object.

It's not about awarding effort and craft.

More often than not that is what is required to get the ball over the line.

But that doesn't make it the aim of the game. There are no style points.
Interestingly, that's not at all how the game started out!

The reason a try is called a try is because it permitted the scorer the right to try and kick a goal, which is why we still have conversions today. There were no points awarded for a try in the early days of the game.

irocfan

40,539 posts

191 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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The Mad Monk said:
Kermit power said:
hornetrider said:
TheGreatSoprendo said:
Tonga 6 Wales 24

"There's no conversion for a penalty try anymore". When did that law change??
When they introduced the other changes. Makes sense to me seeing as it's always in front of the sticks.
It doesn't make sense to me. confused

How long will it be before we see a high profile game with the attacking team down by 6 camped on the opposition's line with the clock in the red?

With this law change, surely the defending team can just deliberately infringe at will, safe in the knowledge that they're only conceding 5 points, not giving the opposition a shot at the 7 they need to win?
No.

Penalty try now means 7 points automatically.
so surely any try scored under the sticks should be an automatic 7? Dumb otherwise

DocJock

8,359 posts

241 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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Vocal Minority said:
DocJock said:
My preference would be for all tries to be 7 points.

Why should a lucky interception be worth more than a beautifully constructed score in the corner where the kicker fails to convert?
Because the game rewards getting the ball over the line. That is the object.

It's not about awarding effort and craft.

More often than not that is what is required to get the ball over the line.

But that doesn't make it the aim of the game. There are no style points.
We're kind of arguing the same thing.

Why should a side be, in effect, penalised for getting the ball over the line in the corner instead of under the posts?

I understand the history of the conversion but maybe it's time to bin them, or do what they do in the NFL and take all the kicks from in front of the posts.

hornetrider

Original Poster:

63,161 posts

206 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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Just tuning in to Aus v Scotland!

24-19 to Scotland with ten minutes left!

DocJock

8,359 posts

241 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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Scotland taking down Australia in Sydney in a great match. biggrin

hornetrider

Original Poster:

63,161 posts

206 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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Fantastic result! Garland should be calling up some of the Scots boys not the Welsh second string.


DocJock

8,359 posts

241 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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Looks like Finn Russell and Alan Dell are going to be added.

Heaven knows what Hamish Watson and Jonny Gray had to do to get a call-up.

DocJock

8,359 posts

241 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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I know he can be flaky, but Quaid Cooper has some sublime skills.

hornetrider

Original Poster:

63,161 posts

206 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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DocJock said:
Heaven knows what Hamish Watson and Jonny Gray had to do to get a call-up.
Have grandparents from Merthyr?

DocJock

8,359 posts

241 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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My lads best mate is over there for the tests.

He plays for Eastleigh seconds so I hope he's taken his boots...

irocfan

40,539 posts

191 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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looks like the Saffa's are back! Quality play from them today

DocJock

8,359 posts

241 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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That poor f***er of a Frenchy, trying stop stop a full-tilt 20st prop from one metre out!

Ian Lancs

1,127 posts

167 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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Arg v Eng looks like it's started where they left off last week!

iwantagta

1,323 posts

146 months

Saturday 17th June 2017
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Shocking discipline from England!