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Not sure if this is the right place for this.
Does anyone know why Daly never seems to be considered a centre for England even though he has been playing 13 for Wasps? We have loads of talented wingers but are short of centres.
Surely worth a try in his favoured position. Maybe with JJ at inside it’s a dam fast back line if not the heaviest. We never commit all the forwards to the breakdown anyway so always a couple in the back line if we do want to try some muscle with Daly and JJ on there shoulder.
Could be chatting rubbish though lol.
Does anyone know why Daly never seems to be considered a centre for England even though he has been playing 13 for Wasps? We have loads of talented wingers but are short of centres.
Surely worth a try in his favoured position. Maybe with JJ at inside it’s a dam fast back line if not the heaviest. We never commit all the forwards to the breakdown anyway so always a couple in the back line if we do want to try some muscle with Daly and JJ on there shoulder.
Could be chatting rubbish though lol.
I don't necessarily agree with the line of reasoning, but Daly is played as a back three player because it is supposed to give him more space and more freedom to come into the attacking line in different places.
As I say, I don't necessarily agree with that. I am a firm believer in playing your best players in their best positions rather than move them out of position to cover a perceived weakness.
edit: He's a pretty darned good winger though...
As I say, I don't necessarily agree with that. I am a firm believer in playing your best players in their best positions rather than move them out of position to cover a perceived weakness.
edit: He's a pretty darned good winger though...
That’s pretty fair reasoning.
I guess the reason I have been thinking about this is that we always seem to be putting good wingers on the bench like Nowell. So that Daly can go on the wing because we want Ben T’eo to start even though from what I can see he doesn’t add much. Much like Tuilagi good ball carrier but never seems to pick a good pass at the right time.
Maybe I am being to harsh sometimes feels like the ball only gets to the 12 before we run straight down the middle to get tied up. On the other hand you can’t always sling it wide have to draw the opposition defence narrow with strong ball carriers.
I guess the reason I have been thinking about this is that we always seem to be putting good wingers on the bench like Nowell. So that Daly can go on the wing because we want Ben T’eo to start even though from what I can see he doesn’t add much. Much like Tuilagi good ball carrier but never seems to pick a good pass at the right time.
Maybe I am being to harsh sometimes feels like the ball only gets to the 12 before we run straight down the middle to get tied up. On the other hand you can’t always sling it wide have to draw the opposition defence narrow with strong ball carriers.
DocJock said:
XCP said:
I am slightly surprised that Ireland persist with Best. He isn't.
Same could be said of Dylan Hartley. I doubt EJ and JS are both wrong.Seems to be backed up by; https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2612644-rankin...
(random search for lineout % rory best!)
Cyder said:
He’s a better option than Mr ‘I’m so angry I’m going to run into the tackle and never pass the ball grrrr’ Brown isn’t he?
No. Not in any respect is he better at fullback. Wing? Maybe. Centre? Without a doubt. Fullback? Not until he can catch every high ball fired his way.Cyder said:
Oddly I always think Mike Brown looks good for ‘quins but rubbish for England, like he’s playing a completely different game.
I certainly think he looks better playing for Quins than he does for England, but I don't think you can put that down to him. If he can offload and pass perfectly competently when playing for us, then it would be absurd to assume that he somehow loses that skill when playing for England. I can only assume that he is being instructed to play differently by the different coaching teams?No matter how you look at it though, playing Daly at Fullback has, based on what we've seen to date, been a disaster!
Question is, who else comes in to the mix? Goode, for whatever reason, is unloved by the England setup. Anthony Watson seems to be constantly injured, Nowell hasn't done too badly, but is also playing out of position. Harry Mallinder might well be a star of the future, but he's out injured seemingly for the whole season, so won't be at the RWC. Who else? Jason Woodward?
Kermit power said:
Cyder said:
He’s a better option than Mr ‘I’m so angry I’m going to run into the tackle and never pass the ball grrrr’ Brown isn’t he?
No. Not in any respect is he better at fullback. Wing? Maybe. Centre? Without a doubt. Fullback? Not until he can catch every high ball fired his way.Cyder said:
Oddly I always think Mike Brown looks good for ‘quins but rubbish for England, like he’s playing a completely different game.
I certainly think he looks better playing for Quins than he does for England, but I don't think you can put that down to him. If he can offload and pass perfectly competently when playing for us, then it would be absurd to assume that he somehow loses that skill when playing for England. I can only assume that he is being instructed to play differently by the different coaching teams?No matter how you look at it though, playing Daly at Fullback has, based on what we've seen to date, been a disaster!
Question is, who else comes in to the mix? Goode, for whatever reason, is unloved by the England setup. Anthony Watson seems to be constantly injured, Nowell hasn't done too badly, but is also playing out of position. Harry Mallinder might well be a star of the future, but he's out injured seemingly for the whole season, so won't be at the RWC. Who else? Jason Woodward?
He also has that rare knack of nearly always beating the first tackler, or at least getting his hands past them. This gives the forwards the edge at the breakdown.
I can't argue against the suggestion that he is playing to instructions for England when he doesn't offload. I can see no other rational explanation.
Kermit power said:
I certainly think he looks better playing for Quins than he does for England, but I don't think you can put that down to him. If he can offload and pass perfectly competently when playing for us, then it would be absurd to assume that he somehow loses that skill when playing for England. I can only assume that he is being instructed to play differently by the different coaching teams?
No matter how you look at it though, playing Daly at Fullback has, based on what we've seen to date, been a disaster!
Question is, who else comes in to the mix? Goode, for whatever reason, is unloved by the England setup. Anthony Watson seems to be constantly injured, Nowell hasn't done too badly, but is also playing out of position. Harry Mallinder might well be a star of the future, but he's out injured seemingly for the whole season, so won't be at the RWC. Who else? Jason Woodward?
The problem with Goode is that he's slower than my gran - and she's been dead for 10 years.No matter how you look at it though, playing Daly at Fullback has, based on what we've seen to date, been a disaster!
Question is, who else comes in to the mix? Goode, for whatever reason, is unloved by the England setup. Anthony Watson seems to be constantly injured, Nowell hasn't done too badly, but is also playing out of position. Harry Mallinder might well be a star of the future, but he's out injured seemingly for the whole season, so won't be at the RWC. Who else? Jason Woodward?
I'm not sold on Watson (another sicknote) so it could well be that mallinder gets the nod for 2020.
P.S. Whatever became of Chris Pennel?
Edited by irocfan on Friday 1st February 14:51
DocJock said:
Kermit power said:
Cyder said:
He’s a better option than Mr ‘I’m so angry I’m going to run into the tackle and never pass the ball grrrr’ Brown isn’t he?
No. Not in any respect is he better at fullback. Wing? Maybe. Centre? Without a doubt. Fullback? Not until he can catch every high ball fired his way.Cyder said:
Oddly I always think Mike Brown looks good for ‘quins but rubbish for England, like he’s playing a completely different game.
I certainly think he looks better playing for Quins than he does for England, but I don't think you can put that down to him. If he can offload and pass perfectly competently when playing for us, then it would be absurd to assume that he somehow loses that skill when playing for England. I can only assume that he is being instructed to play differently by the different coaching teams?No matter how you look at it though, playing Daly at Fullback has, based on what we've seen to date, been a disaster!
Question is, who else comes in to the mix? Goode, for whatever reason, is unloved by the England setup. Anthony Watson seems to be constantly injured, Nowell hasn't done too badly, but is also playing out of position. Harry Mallinder might well be a star of the future, but he's out injured seemingly for the whole season, so won't be at the RWC. Who else? Jason Woodward?
He also has that rare knack of nearly always beating the first tackler, or at least getting his hands past them. This gives the forwards the edge at the breakdown.
I can't argue against the suggestion that he is playing to instructions for England when he doesn't offload. I can see no other rational explanation.
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